Inception (Spoilerish) - Page 3

Just watched Inception for the second time in IMAX. This time around I came into the movie thinking the following: What if Cobb was dreaming all along.

The movie director gave a lot of really small hints that this was the case. Here is a list of all the evidence that leads me to believe that Cobb was stuck in limbo that entire movie:

1. His totem, the top. It's not his, it was originally Mal's totem. Why does Cobb not have his own totem? They mention that the concept of a totem was Mal's idea.
2. Cobb warns his team against people touch/feeling other people's totems. Yet he uses Mal's totem... Cobb often says not to do things that he ends up doing anyways.
3. Mal says at the end: "How do you know your not dreaming? The anonymous organizations chasing you like projections of your imagination". It was odd that Cobb goes from working for one group that will hunt him down once he failed his extraction on Saito to work for Saito on the very next mission.

Some smaller things:

4. When meeting the forger, Eames puts his last last 2 chips on black 13 in a casino game which looks to be some version of roulette. The very next scene he cashes out a stack of chips?
5. Cobb is being chased by his previous employers and all of the sudden in the middle of the street, Saito drive up and saves him. Very similar to how the taxi drives up to pick up each teammate when they were performing the inception. Epic what?
6. When Mal is about to jump out of the window of the hotel room, she is across the street from Cobb... in the same hotel room. It's like the mirror scene with Ariadne earlier, the room behind Mal mirrors the room behind Cobb (white flowers on white table with white couch behind etc...)
7. Cobb's children. The entire movie they make a big deal of Cobb wanting to see the faces of his children, yet refusing to look at their faces when he was in limbo with Mal at the end. Represents the guilt he feels for the idea he planted in Mal's head. Finally he rids himself of that guilt, he's able to see his children again... they are in the same position, wearing the same clothes, they are the same age, but now Cobb can see their faces. (Actually this is more proof that the top doesn't fall over at the end, and that the end scene is him in limbo)
8. He wakes up on the airplane, not attached to the dream machine. Uh oh!

Hey johny is it a big difference IMAX vs that worse 3d technology(forgot how was it called)?

On July 19 2010 04:43 JonnyCosMo wrote: Just watched Inception for the second time in IMAX. This time around I came into the movie thinking the following: What if Cobb was dreaming all along. The movie director gave a lot of really small hints that this was the case. Here is a list of all the evidence that leads me to believe that Cobb was stuck in limbo that entire movie: 1. His totem, the top. It's not his, it was originally Mal's totem. Why does Cobb not have his own totem? They mention that the concept of a totem was Mal's idea. 2. Cobb warns his team against people touch/feeling other people's totems. Yet he uses Mal's totem... Cobb often says not to do things that he ends up doing anyways. 3. Mal says at the end: "How do you know your not dreaming? The anonymous organizations chasing you like projections of your imagination". It was odd that Cobb goes from working for one group that will hunt him down once he failed his extraction on Saito to work for Saito on the very next mission. Some smaller things: 4. When meeting the forger, Eames puts his last last 2 chips on black 13 in a casino game which looks to be some version of roulette. The very next scene he cashes out a stack of chips? 5. Cobb is being chased by his previous employers and all of the sudden in the middle of the street, Saito drive up and saves him. Very similar to how the taxi drives up to pick up each teammate when they were performing the inception. Epic what? 6. When Mal is about to jump out of the window of the hotel room, she is across the street from Cobb... in the same hotel room. It's like the mirror scene with Ariadne earlier, the room behind Mal mirrors the room behind Cobb (white flowers on white table with white couch behind etc...) 7. Cobb's children. The entire movie they make a big deal of Cobb wanting to see the faces of his children, yet refusing to look at their faces when he was in limbo with Mal at the end. Represents the guilt he feels for the idea he planted in Mal's head. Finally he rids himself of that guilt, he's able to see his children again... they are in the same position, wearing the same clothes, they are the same age, but now Cobb can see their faces. (Actually this is more proof that the top doesn't fall over at the end, and that the end scene is him in limbo) 8. He wakes up on the airplane, not attached to the dream machine. Uh oh!

First my opinion:

The top does being to wobble

BUT, why would the kids be exactly the same age and doing the same things/clothes as they were when he first left? arent we meant to believe that he has spent alot of REAL time (reality) away from his kids? How have they not aged? This makes me believe it is a dream.

EDIT: Just noticed this, out of all of the deaths in dreams/limbo, the only ones we never see are Saito and cobb at the end. We assume Saito killed Cobb and then himself, but we dk for sure.

Johnnys Points:

1) I assume he took Mal's totem after she died
2) Same
4) He is a forger, those are fake chips, he made them, Cobb comments on this, something like "I see your spelling still sucks"
5) Your reaching
7) Didnt read this till after i posted my points above, totally agree here thats why i believe he is dreaming

Dileep Rao (Played Yusuf) said of the ending - "You know what, I'll just say this: Use your ears not your eyes."

Some say you can hear it slowing down and even falling, might have to see it again myself, 2.5hrs and $20 for imax to pay attention to the last 10 seconds.

On July 18 2010 09:41 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2010 09:38 CrownRoyal wrote: im failing indeed just pay the 10 bucks and go see the damn movie wtf i don't even know how someone can watch a camrip anyway... now a camrip stream that must be the most tilting shit ever wtf son?

lmao camrip stream on youtube 360p currently watching "el inceptino part 46 of 89" with spanish size 30 font subtitles son

My question is if Cobb is in limbo, why is he there in the first place? I'm guessing it would have to be Cobb and his wife used strong seditive in order to live in their long dream together and when they killed themselves on the train tracks, they were too deep into the dream state to wake up to reality and thus lost their minds.

I think the ending where his kids were in the backyard in the same clothes is suppose to strongly hint towards a dream because that was just really weird.

Also the fact that Cobb's dad was waiting for him right at the airport was kind of strange. Cobb is a grown man and I'm sure could afford any transportation to his house, plus if Cobb did "fail" on his job, I don't think he would want his father to see him get taken into custody by not being able to pass security.

OK NEW THEORY:

Im starting to think the entire movie was a dream he has on the plane. Cobb is definitely fighting demons about his wifes suicide and the entire dream is about that. The people in the dream are just people he is on the plane with that show up in his dream because he has recently seen them. After he wakes up, he does not speak to anyone and he meets his dad. The pause at customs was not significant, he was never a fugitive in the US.

I dk, just a theory.

I never bought the theory that he is dreaming or in limbo the whole time mainly due to the fact that we see him wake up from one of the shared dreams and spin his top until it falls over. So we are shown at some point that he is at some point in the real world. I went more for he might has never gotten out of limbo from when they went into the shared dream on the plane. Also for the points of "he wakes up from the dream on the plane not attached to the machine" I wondered this too but my friend pointed out that fisher woke up with the rest of the group way before cobb or saito so they would have naturally unplugged the machine asap so that fisher wouldn't have gotten suspicious or had any idea what was going on. The point "he never talks to anyone once he wakes up" is also kinda solved by my friend who said "fisher was right fucking there, what the fuck do you expect them to do? Wake up and just high five each other on the plane like yeah boy we just incepted that mother fucker, mission success bitch". They had to remain quite to make sure fisher again didn't get suspicious about what was going on.

On July 19 2010 04:43 JonnyCosMo wrote: Just watched Inception for the second time in IMAX. This time around I came into the movie thinking the following: What if Cobb was dreaming all along. The movie director gave a lot of really small hints that this was the case. Here is a list of all the evidence that leads me to believe that Cobb was stuck in limbo that entire movie: 1. His totem, the top. It's not his, it was originally Mal's totem. Why does Cobb not have his own totem? They mention that the concept of a totem was Mal's idea. 2. Cobb warns his team against people touch/feeling other people's totems. Yet he uses Mal's totem... Cobb often says not to do things that he ends up doing anyways. 3. Mal says at the end: "How do you know your not dreaming? The anonymous organizations chasing you like projections of your imagination". It was odd that Cobb goes from working for one group that will hunt him down once he failed his extraction on Saito to work for Saito on the very next mission. Some smaller things: 4. When meeting the forger, Eames puts his last last 2 chips on black 13 in a casino game which looks to be some version of roulette. The very next scene he cashes out a stack of chips? 5. Cobb is being chased by his previous employers and all of the sudden in the middle of the street, Saito drive up and saves him. Very similar to how the taxi drives up to pick up each teammate when they were performing the inception. Epic what? 6. When Mal is about to jump out of the window of the hotel room, she is across the street from Cobb... in the same hotel room. It's like the mirror scene with Ariadne earlier, the room behind Mal mirrors the room behind Cobb (white flowers on white table with white couch behind etc...) 7. Cobb's children. The entire movie they make a big deal of Cobb wanting to see the faces of his children, yet refusing to look at their faces when he was in limbo with Mal at the end. Represents the guilt he feels for the idea he planted in Mal's head. Finally he rids himself of that guilt, he's able to see his children again... they are in the same position, wearing the same clothes, they are the same age, but now Cobb can see their faces. (Actually this is more proof that the top doesn't fall over at the end, and that the end scene is him in limbo) 8. He wakes up on the airplane, not attached to the dream machine. Uh oh!

3) remember Saito at the beginning says that he was testing Cobb while they are originally trying to extract info from Saito.

Edit: Something my friend told be with regards to the kids. IRL they are Christopher Nolans children, they just didn't age because he wanted them in the movie.

The top probably was beginning to fall in the end but even if it did, do you think it would matter? This is all inside Cobb's mind, so of course if he uses his own top it's going to fall because it's his dreams.

not all a dream

also i was really hoping when the 2nd in command guy pushed the security down the paradox stairs in the hotel that he would fall ontop of his haed

On July 18 2010 18:45 CrownRoyal wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2010 16:05 TheHuHu3 wrote: CrownRoyal = no friends. =(. that isn't the case but i'm not gonna call my friend and offer to byu him lunch if he goes and watches a movie with me... thats gay

wat

or you could just call a friend and ask him to see the movie with you...

On July 19 2010 14:29 YouGoTGoT wrote: OK NEW THEORY: Im starting to think the entire movie was a dream he has on the plane. Cobb is definitely fighting demons about his wifes suicide and the entire dream is about that. The people in the dream are just people he is on the plane with that show up in his dream because he has recently seen them. After he wakes up, he does not speak to anyone and he meets his dad. The pause at customs was not significant, he was never a fugitive in the US. I dk, just a theory.

also possible

i think all these different takes on the movie are pretty sick, i think grass's theory is the sickest. gonna have to watch again obv

1) As far as we know Cobb could have been a fugitive for a mere 3 months. There is no expectation that he has been running for 10 years thus his kids should have aged. This also explains the condition of his house.

2) His refusal to look at his kids is probably tied to fear of losing grip of reality. It's not a guilt thing, he just cant let himself become overwhelmed by their faces and sucked into self-induced limbo.

3) The top wobbles. Nuff said. The top has been clearly shown to spin perfectly when in a dream. There is absolutely no reason to show a wobble other than to indicate it's going to fall.

4) The rules for projections vs dreamers have already been established. The characters Cobb interacts with go beyond projections, and show events occurring to which he is not even a part of. This makes it impossible for it to all just be one big massive dream of his.

5) Saito's convenient arrival to help Cobb escape is a mere plot device. If saito was part of a dream to help save Cobb he could have just descended from a helicopter with machine guns blazing and taken out all of the guards trying to capture Cobb. The script needed a way to get Cobb to safety and so Nolan chose this, dont dwell on it.

Look guys, Chris Nolan is too smart to go for the obvious cliche. If you think about it, the whole movie being one big dream is actually rather simplistic and not some great "ZOMG MIND FUCK" like everyone is making it out to be. As mentioned earlier you should have already contemplated this possibility within 5 minutes of watching the movie, Chris knows this, and thus would never use it. From the ending of Super Mario Bros 2 to the conclusion of Lost, the "dream" excuse has been thoroughly burnt out. It's a complete copout to use it anymore, how absurd would it be for Nolan to abuse it like this in a movie based entirely around lucid dreaming. If he comes out and says this I will personally fly to LA, grab a star map, walk to his front door, ring the doorbell and slap him in the face. The movie is left much more interesting being real, not fake.

On July 19 2010 14:09 LikeASet wrote: My question is if Cobb is in limbo, why is he there in the first place? I'm guessing it would have to be Cobb and his wife used strong seditive in order to live in their long dream together and when they killed themselves on the train tracks, they were too deep into the dream state to wake up to reality and thus lost their minds.

Remember time goes slower when you dream within a dream. They could have just willfully leveled their way up 10 times and then spent 50 years of their life within an hour long nap on the floor. Besides their real life bodies have to be nourished, you cant just go on sedatives and never eat/drink again for the rest of your life.

dude, haven't watched the movie yet! with all this rave comments, makes me wanna run to the cinema like right now! will definitely watch it this weekend.


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desmond is my constant

How come when Cobb finds Saito at the end of the movie (and beginning) Saito is an old man and Cobb is still the same age, werent they both 4 levels deep?