$3 45manSNG FT decision - Page 2

I'd fold but it doesn't look thaat bad. way more common to not push enough than to push too much in a situation like this. absolutely push from button tho.

I play these a little. IMO this is pretty bad. With your chipstack you will get 100% better opportunities Don't bother wasting chips here especially with such decent stacks to act after you

Did any of you catch the fact that there's a 3xBB shortstack about to be BB in 2 hands? That's a huge key in this hand. Nobody behind the hero will call unless they have a very strong hand.

I think that, coupled with the stack sizes of the stacks behind, all in the exploitable range of 7-10BB (large enough to not need to make a desperate call, but not too big), makes this a lot closer than you people think, and a correct push in my view.

On June 21 2010 21:53 Pacifist wrote: Did any of you catch the fact that there's a 3xBB shortstack about to be BB in 2 hands? That's a huge key in this hand. Nobody behind the hero will call unless they have a very strong hand. I think that, coupled with the stack sizes of the stacks behind, all in the exploitable range of 7-10BB (large enough to not need to make a desperate call, but not too big), makes this a lot closer than you people think, and a correct push in my view.

I'd push from maybe CO, prob push BTN, but not from the hijack with these stacks. I agree with what you said though about them almost never calling without at least a decent hand.

Also, not sure if anybody else but me actually plays enough 45 mans to know the payout structure, but we're already ITM, and the next big payout increase is for getting third place, so it's time to pick up chips.

there are way better hands to shove in this situation than K6.

equity wise, you will be called nearly the same amount of time, (like 30%ish here i think v 3 players to go), so u take down a few blinds 70% and have to go with your K6o vs hands that dominate you 30% of the time. Just not worth it.

K6o is only a fine shove with 4bb or blind on blind with less than 14big blinds

bubble doesn't really matter in any $3 45 mans, nobody really plays them to mincash, its first or nothing

inyourdreams I don't get how it being $3 45mans matter, since the payout as a % of the prizepool is the same no matter the stakes...

unless you're saying bubble doesn't matter for all 45man sngs, which is blatantly false.

Also the only hands that are calling that actually dominate you are AA, KK, AK, and MAYBE KQ. K6 has good equity vs all other hands. (Assuming KJ and A6 don't call, which is very reasonable given the shorty)

pacifist if BB has KJ KT A6 they will call in this situation at this level i see it happen a lot

Given that payout increase from 7th to 6th is small in those 45-mans, and BB has second smallest stack on the table
his calling range should not be that tight.

keep in mind that this is 3$ sng. People don't rly understand ranges or icm here. Some wait till they have a fraction of big blind before they decide to move in. Of course idk what was the case here, but style i told about is quite common at these stakes.

lol does anybody here have over even 500 games on $3 45 mans? I have 3k thx. Sick brag! Anyway... totally agree with pacifist and liquid`drone This is super duper ez spin in chair push from button...
Also, inyourdreams, you sound pretty clueless when you say first place or nothing LOL. Maybe in a 180 man, but min cashing is pretty huge in 45 mans when you get 8th place a bunch of times because you are push happy and realize your ROI would be 5-10% higher if you folded a few extra hands on the bubble for those extra buy-ins in min cashes.
Also, for those of you who are saying it's terrible, it's actually not insanely bad unless someone calls with KK or AA. Even if our equity is 30% vs a hand, we're still getting decent pot-odds because dagolu and aberas are never calling us light, that's a fact. They can play nitty and get into top 3 pretty easily. Actually, the more I'm looking at this hand, I am thinking it's a marginal +EV shove just because people's calling ranges should be insanely tight as long as they don't know us too well.
Lets put it this way: With any of the peoples' stacks behind you except for garlopa, my default calling range is TT+ and AQ+. You're picking up 2325 chips for a steal where people really can't call you lightly. I guess I'll sng wiz it now, because you have me pretty curious about it. I'll see what sng wiz has as their default calling ranges also (which should be tight, but probably not nearly as tight as mine because I'm a nit). Hope this information helps a little.

Edit: Can you PM me the actual hand history? Too lazy to fill out all of the info in SNG Wiz lol.

my take on it is, ppl just got in the money and the shorter stacks are gunna be willing to gamble it up to climb. id look for something better. with his big stack there... its like... youre just hoping he doesnt have AQ+

play it a little safer, cause in the event he does wake up with something (like this time), you pretty much loose your strangle-hold on the rest of the tourney... turning a 1st or 2nd place cash into a probable 4th or 5th.

I used SNG Wizard to check this, and adjusting their calling ranges from SNG Wizard's defaults (at least IMHO from my experience) it's a slightly losing push. With Wiz's normal calling ranges (Which are really loose IMHO), it's a relatively big -EV push.