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Totally results oriented but I just want to make sure nobody would have played this any differently. Villain is 26/10, 0% 3bet

Submitted by : Endo

PokerStars Game #45616429137: Tournament #283532500, $2.00+$0.20 USD Holdem No Limit - Level XVI (375/750) - 2010/06/17 0:20:47 CT [2010/06/17 1:20:47 ET]
Table 283532500 2 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: moneysnake37 (19919 in chips)
Seat 2: GSRAAA (14207 in chips)
Seat 3: Papa Bear Fl (26573 in chips)
Seat 5: Tite_Shan (23631 in chips)
Seat 6: CAR GUY TOO (8877 in chips)
Seat 7: SweetLord81 (12440 in chips)
Seat 8: Hero (50010 in chips)
Seat 9: Hope4tman (24343 in chips)
moneysnake37: posts the ante 90
GSRAAA: posts the ante 90
Papa Bear Fl: posts the ante 90
Tite_Shan: posts the ante 90
CAR GUY TOO: posts the ante 90
SweetLord81: posts the ante 90
Hero: posts the ante 90
Hope4tman: posts the ante 90
SweetLord81: posts small blind 375
Hero: posts big blind 750

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Hope4tman: folds
moneysnake37: folds
GSRAAA: folds
Papa Bear Fl: raises 1500 to 2250
Tite_Shan: folds
CAR GUY TOO: folds
SweetLord81: folds
Hero: raises 3200 to 5450
Papa Bear Fl: calls 3200

Flop (Pot : $11,995.00)

   
Hero: bets 6550
Papa Bear Fl: calls 6550

Turn (Pot : $25,095.00)

   
Hero: bets 15000

maybe 3bet a little bigger but otherwise looks really stnd

You advocate a bigger 3bet here? Does anyone else? Just checking..

BOMB FLOP
edit: your preflop play is fine if your plan on flop is to bet pot here on this flop every time. inexcusable, bad play on your part.

5,800+ is better.

On June 17 2010 00:59 Zep wrote: BOMB FLOP edit: your preflop play is fine if your plan on flop is to bet pot here on this flop every time. inexcusable, bad play on your part.

yeah this is definatily right. it's either that or don't 2.5x pre. you might as well 4x pre and bet 2/3 pot on flop if your gonna play it like such a little slut.

bet on turn is enough to put villain AI btw.

Not sure about what you guys talk about and I don't really do donkaments much but I can't see why you can do this. Yea some people probably folds less if you try to stack them over two streets but if this was a cash game I'd prefer this sizeing I think.

On June 17 2010 01:09 kaisr wrote: bet on turn is enough to put villain AI btw.

Zep if he's all in on turn, do we really have to bomb flop on such a dry flop?

And why is 3bet sizing too small if he opens that big? (A bit more than 3x)

Note our stacks are about 33bb effective

On June 17 2010 00:59 Zep wrote: BOMB FLOP edit: your preflop play is fine if your plan on flop is to bet pot here on this flop every time. inexcusable, bad play on your part.

Also, my cbets are always around 1/3-2/3 pot, depending on texture. No point in committing myself to too much when a smaller bet would do the same, right?

(ONLY IN TOURNEYS, different in cash, obviously)

100% fine wp

yeah well played

looks super standard. I do think you should 3bet a tad bit bigger but Its not like a big diff.

looks alright but with 35bb effective i agree with a somewhat bigger 3bet preflop

he opened for 3bb so you can make it like 6875 or so, pot will be 16845 on flop, you can bet like 9225 and that will appear cheap compared to pot, and then turn shove will also appear cheap. when trying to extract max value in tournaments against random donks, it's important to plan all your bet sizes so that the last 1 or 2 look cheap compared to pot size

basically they get committed before they are aware of the fact that they are committed, and then it's too late, "can't fold now"

On June 17 2010 05:16 [vital]Myth wrote: basically they get committed before they are aware of the fact that they are committed, and then it's too late, "can't fold now"

i must be a tournament donk because thsi always happens to me LOL

On June 17 2010 05:15 [vital]Myth wrote: looks alright but with 35bb effective i agree with a somewhat bigger 3bet preflop he opened for 3bb so you can make it like 6875 or so, pot will be 16845 on flop, you can bet like 9225 and that will appear cheap compared to pot, and then turn shove will also appear cheap. when trying to extract max value in tournaments against random donks, it's important to plan all your bet sizes so that the last 1 or 2 look cheap compared to pot size

Hm...for those random donks, would you rather 3bet smaller so they feel they're priced to call? with 33bb, it's not hard to get them to get it in if they hit at all.

Superstandart !!!

tiny bit bigger pf but other than that perfect

might be 3bet a little bigger but otherwise looks really stnd

I also 3bet bigger since he opened a bit more than 3xBB (besides the fact of being 35 bb deep)

wp,

super standard.

I'd have made it more like 6500-7300 just because of stack sizes, especially since donks in these $2 games will call a 3-bet then insta fold on the flop if they don't hit, so you might as well pick up more chips if he's just going to fold the flop. Also, like a lot of other people said, this way you can bet smaller on flop etc and induce him to go over the top, etc etc.

On June 17 2010 01:34 Endo wrote: Show nested quote + On June 17 2010 00:59 Zep wrote: BOMB FLOP edit: your preflop play is fine if your plan on flop is to bet pot here on this flop every time. inexcusable, bad play on your part. Also, my cbets are always around 1/3-2/3 pot, depending on texture. No point in committing myself to too much when a smaller bet would do the same, right? (ONLY IN TOURNEYS, different in cash, obviously)

Actually I'm curious about this because I'm always full-potting it against flush draws with a hand that is likely winning at the moment. Obv it depends on stack size/position/player type etc. but should I be doing this less often? Is it really better to bet lighter when someone's drawing on you in a tourney? I usually bet someone drawing for 2p 1/3 or 2/3 the pot but when the board has a flush draw I'm pretty much always potting it with a read that I'm ahead. Do you advocate otherwise?

why even post after peachy

On July 01 2010 21:33 offsuit wrote: Show nested quote + On June 17 2010 01:34 Endo wrote:   On June 17 2010 00:59 Zep wrote: BOMB FLOP edit: your preflop play is fine if your plan on flop is to bet pot here on this flop every time. inexcusable, bad play on your part. Also, my cbets are always around 1/3-2/3 pot, depending on texture. No point in committing myself to too much when a smaller bet would do the same, right? (ONLY IN TOURNEYS, different in cash, obviously) Actually I'm curious about this because I'm always full-potting it against flush draws with a hand that is likely winning at the moment. Obv it depends on stack size/position/player type etc. but should I be doing this less often? Is it really better to bet lighter when someone's drawing on you in a tourney? I usually bet someone drawing for 2p 1/3 or 2/3 the pot but when the board has a flush draw I'm pretty much always potting it with a read that I'm ahead. Do you advocate otherwise?

So your bets give less away, usually. If you full pot your top pairs, halfpot your air, it's not going to take a genius to figure out that your weak bets can be raised to force you to fold. And since later stages of tourneys mean you have less bb's, you dont want to overcommit yourself to a pot anyways (especially when c-betting with air). Also, if you're positive 100% that villain has a flush draw...then I guess you can full pot it and give him less odds. But if I have a hand I'm comfortable with stacking off with, I can size my turn bet larger. It's not hard to get a 40bb pot going by the turn or river.

I feel like it's not a huge giveaway if I'm only full-potting it when the board has a flush draw on the flop/turn and I feel like they might have a flush draw, and my opponents should also see the flush draw, which they should take into account when I don't make a full-pot bet on a non-flush board. I pretty much follow your advice when there's no flush draw, but I feel in situations like this that giving my hand away is what I want to do, and sometimes I can balance by full-potting it with the nut flush draw as a semibluff or something.

On July 01 2010 22:56 traxamillion wrote: why even post after kaisr

fyp

On June 17 2010 02:07 n0rthf4ce wrote: 100% fine wp

+1, stack that wanksta

$2 MTT overpair in a 3bet pot, why did you post this?