MTT Perfect Read, How to play better?

So I had the spot on read on this guy, and I knew he had been playing mediocre hands like Kx, QJ, Ax etc from late. So the Flop was half in his range, so I opted to check in hopes he would bet turn so I can reraise. Should I just have moved all in on the turn? Do you think it would it even have made a difference?

Or should I have just Potted the flop and hope that he doesn't dump his hand? and C bet the turn?

Submitted by : SpoR

PokerStars Game #44479546207: Tournament #275563487, $5.00+$0.50 USD Holdem No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2010/05/22 21:19:41 ET
Table 275563487 3 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Hero (1230 in chips)
Seat 2: kisseAA (2930 in chips)
Seat 4: Big Lenny T (2765 in chips)
Seat 6: ESP_KraveN (2435 in chips)
Seat 7: myqey (4560 in chips)
Seat 8: hankzal (1020 in chips)
kisseAA: posts small blind 25
Big Lenny T: posts big blind 50

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
ESP_KraveN: folds
myqey: folds
hankzal: folds
Hero: raises 100 to 150
kisseAA: folds
Big Lenny T: calls 100

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $325.00)

   
Big Lenny T: checks
Hero: checks

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $325.00)

   
Big Lenny T: bets 200
Hero: raises 400 to 600
Big Lenny T: calls 400

River (Pot : $1,525.00)

   
Big Lenny T: bets 750
Hero said, "wow are u kidding u have A7 or some trash"
Hero: calls 480 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (270) returned to Big Lenny T

Showdown
Big Lenny T: shows (a straight, Five to Nine)
Hero: shows (two pair, Eights and Threes)
Big Lenny T collected 2485 from pot

Summary
Total pot 2485 | Rake 0
Board  
Seat 1: Hero (button) showed and lost with two pair, Eights and Threes
Seat 2: kisseAA (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Big Lenny T (big blind) showed and won (2485) with a straight, Five to Nine
Seat 6: ESP_KraveN folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 7: myqey folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 8: hankzal folded before Flop (didnt bet)

fold pre

This is like a triple threat whine/bad beat/brag post.

You say that you have a perfect read in your title, then you say it again in your post, and then it's clear you're referring to your chat about calling out A7. And then you decide to pay him off and then whine about it? If your read is perfect then calling probably isn't a good idea?

Come on dude.

Fold pre, as played bet flop, as played just shove turn.

I was stealing because I really didn't play a hand for 2-3 rounds. Obviously It's standard to fold preflop with this garbage hand but I thought I could take it down preflop with a bet. Yesterday I was running good, but today I've just been card dead and pretty much forced to do bad stuff like this.

How is this a whine/bad beat/brag post?

I'm just wondering if I should have shoved turn or just bet flop or whatever.

On May 23 2010 00:00 SpoR wrote: How is this a whine

Because you lost the hand

bad beat

because he made his straight

brag post?

because you called his hand and had a perfect read

By the way, what does your read reagarding mediocre Qx Kx in late position have to do with how he plays oop?

I'm not whining or bragging or complaining about a bad beat. Just asking for some input. Don't get into a hissy sorry jeez

villain defends lots of bbs so lets raise a hand that makes us lose money

wtf are you doing preflop is the only thing worth discussion here, tom dwan.

pretty good flop to bet ducy?

On May 22 2010 21:54 Liquid`Drone wrote: fold pre

i lol'd

On May 23 2010 02:12 traxamillion wrote: pretty good flop to bet ducy?

going apeshit rofl on this one
imo

Yikes... So yea I'm folding pre doesn't matter if I have been tight I dunno what would make u play it here. Betting flop... as played I'm shoving turn. And I'm never folding river unless ofcourse I was you and knew for sure he had A7 then I guess folding is correct

On May 23 2010 02:12 traxamillion wrote: pretty good flop to bet ducy?

llllllllloooooooooooooolllllllllllllll

If you think flop was half in his range then betting seems optimal.

Him defending w/ A7o makes both pre and flop pretty bad.

I thougt preflop was bad
then I saw the flop...

On May 22 2010 20:31 SpoR wrote: Or is this just a standard cooler?

Ummm Obv

On May 23 2010 13:52 player999 wrote: I thougt preflop was bad then I saw the flop...

Did you get any farther into the hand???

***Spoiler Alert***





















...It gets worse

PF: loose open exploiting our big skill edge against Big Lenny T. I'm on board so far, let's hope he calls so we can win more on average than just the blinds.

flop: bingo! this pretty much adds his stack to ours. I like your check behind for deception, since we have a stone read anyway (more streets of us playing perfectly = more $$$) and he has no idea where he's at. Most grindbot nits would make the mistake of betting here

turn: the sucker bets out, just what we want. This is a great card for us because we know he has A7 and that'll keep him in the hand

river: unfortunate. We know he hit the straight but we have to call for 480, a small price to pay to make everyone at this table fear us when we encounter them in future tournaments. It's still a good thing we kept him in because his gamble on the turn was -ev and we knew he had A7 anyway so we can safely ignore all other hands in our analysis

no real advice here, just wanted to confirm that u played the hand perfectly. Sick read btw!

i actually think the funniest part is that you say "a7 or some trash"

dude seriously, one thing: with that stacks, fold pre. If you both were like 200 BB deep+you have sick edge over everyone maybe you can play that profitably. But like this-no.

I love jelles post srsly

playing tight for 2-3 rounds does not justify stealing w 83o here when there are no antes and you have 20-something BBs, definite fold preflop

check behind flop makes little to no sense given your read, because you aren't going to induce a bet from KQ or A4 by checking that often anyway, but you will definitely get called by all kinds of crap when you bet the flop. there is definitely value in checking to induce, sure, but not as much as just betting and being able to get all your money in on good runouts.

anyway if you do check the flop, definitely shove turn, he's prob calling with any draw or pair

not to mention if you have a Perfect Read that he has A7 why would you call him on the river?

keep raising 83o in a $5 tournament buddy, you are going to go far...

also, cbet the flop wtf, you got lucky now BET!

i love this hand, every street is poorly played

On May 24 2010 23:02 Rekrul wrote: not to mention if you have a Perfect Read that he has A7 why would you call him on the river?

this, perfect read would mean folding the river.

Theres also a good chance this retard would have check called with ace high on the flop anyway, its super common for bad players to float OOP with a high

On May 22 2010 23:52 edzwoo wrote: This is like a triple threat whine/bad beat/brag post. You say that you have a perfect read in your title, then you say it again in your post, and then it's clear you're referring to your chat about calling out A7. And then you decide to pay him off and then whine about it? If your read is perfect then calling probably isn't a good idea? Come on dude. Fold pre, as played bet flop, as played just shove turn.

B-U-N-T, in perfect cursive. Got any more brain-busters?

On May 22 2010 20:31 SpoR wrote: Or is this just a standard cooler?

yea dont worry about it.

On May 24 2010 23:02 Rekrul wrote: not to mention if you have a Perfect Read that he has A7 why would you call him on the river?

he wont be able to brag for his perfect read once he folds the river and villain mucks obviouslyyyyyyyy

stop writing perfect read without using capitals plz.... Perfect Read!

You always make my day charlie, please don't ever get banned.

You Son, are the next Phil Hellmuth

"wow are u kidding u have A7 or some trash"

Funny when you raised 83o and didnt even bet flop LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

I HIT TWO PAIRS I WILL TRAP THIS BITCH

OR SOME TRASHHH I RAISE 83o ON THE BUTTON BUT THATS CUZ I HAVE SKILL ADVANTAGE AND PURFECT REDDDD

On May 23 2010 14:07 Jelle wrote: PF: loose open exploiting our big skill edge against Big Lenny T. I'm on board so far, let's hope he calls so we can win more on average than just the blinds. flop: bingo! this pretty much adds his stack to ours. I like your check behind for deception, since we have a stone read anyway (more streets of us playing perfectly = more $$$) and he has no idea where he's at. Most grindbot nits would make the mistake of betting here turn: the sucker bets out, just what we want. This is a great card for us because we know he has A7 and that'll keep him in the hand river: unfortunate. We know he hit the straight but we have to call for 480, a small price to pay to make everyone at this table fear us when we encounter them in future tournaments. It's still a good thing we kept him in because his gamble on the turn was -ev and we knew he had A7 anyway so we can safely ignore all other hands in our analysis no real advice here, just wanted to confirm that u played the hand perfectly. Sick read btw!

joke? sorry i'm slow

On May 27 2010 02:09 K40Cheddar wrote: Show nested quote + On May 23 2010 14:07 Jelle wrote: PF: loose open exploiting our big skill edge against Big Lenny T. I'm on board so far, let's hope he calls so we can win more on average than just the blinds. flop: bingo! this pretty much adds his stack to ours. I like your check behind for deception, since we have a stone read anyway (more streets of us playing perfectly = more $$$) and he has no idea where he's at. Most grindbot nits would make the mistake of betting here turn: the sucker bets out, just what we want. This is a great card for us because we know he has A7 and that'll keep him in the hand river: unfortunate. We know he hit the straight but we have to call for 480, a small price to pay to make everyone at this table fear us when we encounter them in future tournaments. It's still a good thing we kept him in because his gamble on the turn was -ev and we knew he had A7 anyway so we can safely ignore all other hands in our analysis no real advice here, just wanted to confirm that u played the hand perfectly. Sick read btw! joke? sorry i'm slow

lol@cooler

this thread make me laff

seriously dude quit poker

On May 23 2010 20:40 [vital]Myth wrote: playing tight for 2-3 rounds does not justify stealing w 83o here when there are no antes and you have 20-something BBs, definite fold preflop check behind flop makes little to no sense given your read, because you aren't going to induce a bet from KQ or A4 by checking that often anyway, but you will definitely get called by all kinds of crap when you bet the flop. there is definitely value in checking to induce, sure, but not as much as just betting and being able to get all your money in on good runouts. anyway if you do check the flop, definitely shove turn, he's prob calling with any draw or pair

+1

There is only a few elite players who are capable of making PerfecT ReaDs. I for one feel privilidged to have come accross such an awesome thread. Thanks for sharing. Much love. Theres me thinking hes betting the river with ace jack or 22, how you put him on ace 7 or any other 7(other rags or whatever you said) is incredible. Shit you owned ths guy so hard. Unlucky dude. next time Ivey pulls a monster read on high stakes poker the commentators will all be screamin 'hes pulled a spor'

Cool read brah

On May 30 2010 12:30 Robinson47 wrote: next time Ivey pulls a monster read on high stakes poker the commentators will all be screamin 'hes pulled a spor'

:D

A+ thread

dood, that's a nice read.

On May 31 2010 03:14 JonnyCosMo wrote: Cool read brah

Even though I was like 90% sure he had A7 , I felt I had to call because of the stakes of poker I play these idiots could actually just be bad and have some absolute nothing. 3 to 1 on my money. Whatever.

do they do terrible things like play 83o

On May 30 2010 10:20 Critterer wrote: seriously dude quit life

if you are 90% certain someone has you beat you don't call while getting 3 to 1..

On June 04 2010 18:23 Liquid`Drone wrote: if you are 90% certain someone has you beat you don't call while getting 3 to 1..

way to half quote him

he said "I felt I had to call because of the stakes of poker I play these idiots could actually just be bad and have some absolute nothing. 3 to 1 on my money."

On June 05 2010 20:28 Steal City wrote: Show nested quote + On June 04 2010 18:23 Liquid`Drone wrote: if you are 90% certain someone has you beat you don't call while getting 3 to 1.. way to half quote him he said "I felt I had to call because of the stakes of poker I play these idiots could actually just be bad and have some absolute nothing. 3 to 1 on my money."

On June 03 2010 18:25 SpoR wrote: Even though I was like 90% sure he had A7 , I felt I had to call because of the stakes of poker I play these idiots could actually just be bad and have some absolute nothing. 3 to 1 on my money. Whatever.

You're the one that's half quoting?



edit: Doesn't really matter tho when said quoting of OP suggests he's clueless and results oriented.

I didn't mean the percentage to be taken literally.

do you regret making this thread

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL this thread delivers

On June 15 2010 04:06 iop wrote: do you regret making this thread

no, I don't care at all.

some of the posts were actually helpful, the rest were just mindless humor.

If you think flop was half in his range then betting seems optimal. Him defending w/ A7o makes both pre and flop pretty bad.

On May 22 2010 23:52 edzwoo wrote: This is like a triple threat whine/bad beat/brag post.

On May 23 2010 02:12 traxamillion wrote: pretty good flop to bet ducy?

oh wow this thread is 3 pages long lol , win

I would say 0.1% of poker players would get stacked in this situation. Congratulations Charlie

lol, amazing you posted this, god knows what kind of responses you were hoping for or expecting. i can only hope that this is what you were hoping for, for some giggles. it certainly delivered that

rofl thanks again for yet more good laughs! I pulled a SpoR today, I folded and villain showed

lol not this thread again

On May 22 2010 23:52 edzwoo wrote: This is like a triple threat whine/bad beat/brag post. You say that you have a perfect read in your title, then you say it again in your post, and then it's clear you're referring to your chat about calling out A7. And then you decide to pay him off and then whine about it? If your read is perfect then calling probably isn't a good idea? Come on dude. Fold pre, as played bet flop, as played just shove turn.

+1m