Changing seats

Poll: Changing seats to get pos on the fish makes you a scumbag?
(Vote): Yeah, its like spitting in someones face
(Vote): Hell no! Its +EV that's what its all about right?!

of course not

just say your old seat was unlucky.

i do it all the time and regs used to shit their pants over the chance to get position on me...theres nothing wrong with it...if they r true fish they prob dont notice or care

I do it even while playing live

^^ isnt OP talking about live games ?

doing it live is standard
actually, I like to combine that with physically spitting in their face...

umm i would be a little bit awkward with doing it live, feels SOOO obvious, online i have no problem with it at all

doing it live doesn't mean anything, just claim ur current seat is unlucky -_-;

fucking people and superstitions.

yes, I make tons of seat changes online to get position on the maniac fish to my left >_<

DON'T DO IT LIVE!!!

i dont see anything wrong with it, overdoing it to the point where it startles the fish its retarded tho.


I went to this indian casino in cali and everybody were switching seats like fucking crazy every time a seat was empty they switched seats, i never understood why.

its amusing how often i see fish get up and change seats only to surrender position to me and sit directly to my right lol

as long as you dont insta quit when the fish busts do whatever you want

On March 09 2010 19:50 Baal wrote: i dont see anything wrong with it, overdoing it to the point where it startles the fish its retarded tho. I went to this indian casino in cali and everybody were switching seats like fucking crazy every time a seat was empty they switched seats, i never understood why.

lol yeah thats annoying, every time i play live people switch seats soo many times, and its not even to get position on certain players -_-

its like they see better players do it, so they do it idk lol

Live I do it all the time and have zero qualms about it, like everyone else.

I'm interested though to see if other people have noticed that when you do it online, a decent % of the time the fish actually leaves the table. This happens to me maybe 20% of the time or more. Anybody else confirm this?

When I was first starting FTP I didnt have enough $ for all tables so I bought into a table short w/ some fish. He asked me if everyone followed me around constantly (obviously referring to the regs). People obviously catch on and it makes them not want to play.

On March 09 2010 21:40 MARSHALL28 wrote: I'm interested though to see if other people have noticed that when you do it online, a decent % of the time the fish actually leaves the table. This happens to me maybe 20% of the time or more. Anybody else confirm this?

lol yes this happens to me too.

i really hate the people that hop seats over and over. just changing 1-2 times in a session is understandable from tilt/wanting pos on fish/guy he's steaming at etc. But if they just hop around like it's musical chairs then i would conclude that they are huge faggots.

(online) havent really done it recently but i dont think i ever really startled any fish, i was really surprised that i think twice the fish said something about "its not the seat you dumbass" and i kind of chuckled to myself, but that made me pretty comfortable that i wasnt hurting most fishes feelings, anyway. :O

i dont do it because its a pain in the ass on stars, i did it a few times on FTP over like 100K hands i prolly did it like 3 or 4 times.. but on stars its more of a pain in the ass and im worried about losing my seat on a real good table.. Ive never done it live, i dont think i ever will.

i do it live sometimes and i dont think its douchey at all. Mainly because most people switch seats a ton for superstitious reasons and stuff like that. So when i switch to get position on a fish i feel like im not spiting in their faces, because they probably dont realize my motivation. Its +EV, no ones feeling are getting hurt, and other people switch all the time.

youre a douchebag if you do this live, some young guy did it to me when I sat at 5/10 for the first (and last) time in my life @ bellagio and once the table broke and it just seemed to be regs and myself he switched to my left and as he walked past to grab the seat he meekishly muttered something like 'Iiiiiimmm gonna take this seeat heeree.' I left after like 45 seconds, and I expect anyone here who's had it done to them to be really pissed when some young internet guy does it to you

lolololol

On March 10 2010 00:26 RaiNKhAN wrote: youre a douchebag if you do this live, some young guy did it to me when I sat at 5/10 for the first (and last) time in my life @ bellagio and once the table broke and it just seemed to be regs and myself he switched to my left and as he walked past to grab the seat he meekishly muttered something like 'Iiiiiimmm gonna take this seeat heeree.' I left after like 45 seconds, and I expect anyone here who's had it done to them to be really pissed when some young internet guy does it to you

Why don't you have a seat over there...

Why would it be wrong?

I play 2/2 live and I'm pretty sure 99% of the fish wouldn't even know why you are changing seats if you sit down on their left so I don't have a problem with it.

Do you spit into someone's face by playing tight on a loose table? By folding with a worse hand? By Isolating a bad player? By bluffing a weak player?

I don't see how seat selection is not just another part of the game, like betting patterns.

On March 10 2010 03:25 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Do you spit into someone's face by playing tight on a loose table? By folding with a worse hand? By Isolating a bad player? By bluffing a weak player? I don't see how seat selection is not just another part of the game, like betting patterns.

changing seats is differs from your examples.

ducy?

No, please elaborate I don't see any difference at all.

I tried doing this for a very short time on party, but there's quite a lot of competition for the midstakes tables and I kept losing my seat and feeling a bit (a lot) of an idiot.

On March 09 2010 18:50 gawdawaful wrote: I do it even while playing live

The thing is that a fish is a recreational poker player, not a mentally challenged retard that wont get whats going on when you suddenly take a seat to their left. You are not fooling anyone when you do it and you just make it uncomfortable for the fish and very likely to hurt the game, especially online when its easier for them to just quit.

actually live i mostly do it to get position on people im playing deep with, seeing as how all live players are fish anyway

On March 10 2010 04:17 EvilSky wrote: The thing is that a fish is a recreational poker player, not a mentally challenged retard that wont get whats going on when you suddenly take a seat to their left. You are not fooling anyone when you do it and you just make it uncomfortable for the fish and very likely to hurt the game, especially online when its easier for them to just quit.

there are seats with more room at my casino so ppl change seats all the time. i honestly dont think the regulars, much less the fish, realize whats going on when i do it

On March 10 2010 04:22 Gumster wrote: actually live i mostly do it to get position on people im playing deep with, seeing as how all live players are fish anyway Show nested quote + On March 10 2010 04:17 EvilSky wrote: The thing is that a fish is a recreational poker player, not a mentally challenged retard that wont get whats going on when you suddenly take a seat to their left. You are not fooling anyone when you do it and you just make it uncomfortable for the fish and very likely to hurt the game, especially online when its easier for them to just quit. there are seats with more room at my casino so ppl change seats all the time. i honestly dont think the regulars, much less the fish, realize whats going on when i do it

but it only takes 1 butt-hurt reg who knows what youre doing to blurt it out in a fit of rage.
then shit gets really awkward.

there's a pretty large pool of live players, what does it matter if one person knows that i know about position advantage? i doubt he'll care to tell anyone about it

On March 10 2010 05:39 Gumster wrote: there's a pretty large pool of live players, what does it matter if one person knows that i know about position advantage? i doubt he'll care to tell anyone about it

Because some people cant hold their tongue.
Its not a problem if he knows, its a problem if he says "Hey youre only moving because you want position on Player X!" and PlayerX decides to leave because he doesnt like the feeling of being targetted/the fish etc.

"I'll check and give you position" ... anyone remember that from last year at the bellagio?

that's why live players are such scumbagz hahaha

the smart thing to do > the unethical thing to do. ALWAYS

I always choose the most +EV seat on the table and will regularly change where i play.

I don't really care what they think, i know enough table banter to keep the fish placated and happy with me so i have a good social image for the table, and part of the stigma is i am a kid anyway so there are some things they will always do vs me and wont do vs anyone else that i cant change anyway.

On March 10 2010 05:58 byrnesam wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2010 05:39 Gumster wrote: there's a pretty large pool of live players, what does it matter if one person knows that i know about position advantage? i doubt he'll care to tell anyone about it Because some people cant hold their tongue. Its not a problem if he knows, its a problem if he says "Hey youre only moving because you want position on Player X!" and PlayerX decides to leave because he doesnt like the feeling of being targetted/the fish etc.

which is why no intellegent person would ever say something like that because they dont want the fish to leave either

yeh, but we're talking about live players.

theyre irrational, bitter old men.

I think it's kinda duchebaggy.

When I sit at a table I try to take the best possible seat unless I'm the 2nd person to sit down in which case I'll sit to the right of nitty/bad regs, left of lagtards and on the other side of the table from people who seems like good persons (not as in good pokerplayers, but people I try to treat with respect)

never done it, but don't care if someone does it.

Wow, only 25% yhinks it makes u a scumbag? Holy shit you guys have no manners at al.

On March 10 2010 12:39 Milk wrote: Wow, only 25% yhinks it makes u a scumbag? Holy shit you guys have no manners at al.

i bet you cant EVEN spell pokre

On March 10 2010 12:39 Milk wrote: Wow, only 25% yhinks it makes u a scumbag? Holy shit you guys have no manners at al.

Why are you a scumbag?

Are you a scumbag when you choose tables with fish on them?

I still dont get why is it bad

because others regs arent dumbass who do it too
imagine what would happen if everyone was doing that
i think its dumb to do.. when you join the table..you take the seat you want and you keep it
doing that just give a slap in the face to others regs and show how of a douche you are

What exactly would happen online?
And how is it not the same principle as choosing tables (either by VP/IP, or by leaving reg only tables when you are e.g. taking a shot), isolating fish, and sitting to the left of weak players when you first sit down, just somewhat more obvious?

And I read about changing seats is completely standard live, where when a player to the left of the fish leaves all regs move one seat to the right. I am not sure how that works but there always be some untold rule of the closer player having the right to move?

its a question of respect for others regulars...

everyone could do it... imagine what would happen if everyone leave the table to rejoin at the left of the fish
dont you see how retarded it is
the reason why not much people do it its because its bad manner and disrecpectfull
if the only way you can win from a fish is by sitting at his left then stop playing poker

and i have no idea about your live thing but i cant belive its true

On March 10 2010 13:35 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: everyone could do it... imagine what would happen if everyone leave the table to rejoin at the left of the fish dont you see how retarded it is the reason why not much people do it its because its bad manner and disrecpectfull if the only way you can win from a fish is by sitting at his left then stop playing poker

I mean yeah, they can do it and risk losing the table with fish on it.. So nothing really.
It might be true at high stakes, but nothing would happen at low and midstakes at Stars where mutlitabling is so widespread.

And its not about being only able to win... like all decisions in poker its about +ev decisions

if you move 1 time during your 6-8+ hour session or w/e its fine. but don't do it everytime a new fish shows up.. just dumb, and then it puts a target on you from the reg now sitting to your left

i just try to get in the 2 seat or the 8 seat. Fuck all the other seats and who's sitting in them.

sit deep stack and do whatever the fuck you want

if any nerd tries to say something look at them like they are an insect

profit

one time i got up from the right of a fish to sit on his direct left, and he called me out on it LOL.
he was like a huge one playing like 50%+ of his hands, he left after a couple more hands.

do you like money?

I dont see anything wrong about this wonderful EV+ move

you guys are moron, when people will all do it your gona cry about it

I agree with the point that it is very disrespectful to other regs. If everyone did it even the biggest fish would eventually catch on and not want to play anymore.

Finally, some people with manners .

bumphunting in position is the nuts

this has been discussed before so many times.

just do whatever makes you happy

On March 10 2010 03:25 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Do you spit into someone's face by playing tight on a loose table? By folding with a worse hand? By Isolating a bad player? By bluffing a weak player? I don't see how seat selection is not just another part of the game, like betting patterns.

seems like you're missing the point entirely

changing seats is like starting one of those cowboy duels where you take three steps from the other guy and turn around and pull your gun out. except you're already facing the other guy and already have your gun out. it's BM and reeks of asshole-ness, but chances are they won't notice until they're already dead, but you're doing the +EV move.

On March 10 2010 14:34 Rekrul wrote: sit deep stack and do whatever the fuck you want if any nerd tries to say something look at them like they are an insect profit

agreed

just play in such a way that everyone looks to you preflop before they decide what they are going to do and it becomes irrelevant

i didnt vote because i believe its both options

On March 11 2010 12:26 PoorUser wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2010 14:34 Rekrul wrote: sit deep stack and do whatever the fuck you want if any nerd tries to say something look at them like they are an insect profit agreed just play in such a way that everyone looks to you preflop before they decide what they are going to do and it becomes irrelevant

ya

to the ppl who move seats and scare fish away u guys must be unreal faggots

u can easily move seat to get position on a fish AND let him know what you're doing AND make him want to stay

retards

On March 10 2010 14:10 thewh00sel wrote: i just try to get in the 2 seat or the 8 seat. Fuck all the other seats and who's sitting in them.

Good answer, good answer!

On March 11 2010 18:15 Rekrul wrote: Show nested quote + On March 11 2010 12:26 PoorUser wrote:   On March 10 2010 14:34 Rekrul wrote: sit deep stack and do whatever the fuck you want if any nerd tries to say something look at them like they are an insect profit agreed just play in such a way that everyone looks to you preflop before they decide what they are going to do and it becomes irrelevant ya to the ppl who move seats and scare fish away u guys must be unreal faggots u can easily move seat to get position on a fish AND let him know what you're doing AND make him want to stay retards

Is it true you once moved seat to get position on a fish and the next day you woke up with a horses head in your bed?