question for 400nl+ regs

if you were to quantify the difference between, say, a 100nl reg and a 400/600nl reg, how would you break it down in terms of:

1. better fundamental understanding of the game
2. ability to make better reads
3. self-control/discipline

%-wise, i.e. 1. 20% 2. 50% 3. 30% (or whatever)

400nl reg will be 4x better than a 100nl reg
600nl reg will be 6x better than a 100nl reg

might want to read my post byrnesam

might want to read byrnesam's post history

On March 06 2010 11:09 animaniacs wrote: might want to read my post byrnesam

my mistake

400nl reg will be 400% better than a 100nl reg
600nl reg will be 600% better than a 100nl reg

On March 06 2010 11:10 Stygg wrote: might want to read byrnesam's post history

ok point taken. stick to photoshops pls byrnesam.

the real answer is you will never be able to quantify this type of thing.

It would be nearly impossible to compare 2 specific players, let alone an entire player-pool of different stakes.

it is possible to generalize

On March 06 2010 11:20 anon wrote: it is possible to generalize

i suddenly remember why i hated the animaniacs

On March 06 2010 11:04 byrnesam wrote: 400nl reg will be 4x better than a 100nl reg 600nl reg will be 6x better than a 100nl reg

i thought it was:
400nl reg will run 4x better than a 100nl reg
600nl reg will run 6x better than a 100nl reg

they have a bigger bankroll !

100NL regs suck

400NL/600NL regs suck less

i dunno, but phil galfond stated a difference between many 25/50 regs and a 2/4 reg is knowing when to value bet.

On March 06 2010 12:05 Twisted wrote: 100NL regs suck 400NL/600NL regs suck less

ok but im not asking how much better/worse they are, im asking what the difference is comprised of

How would you even come about quantifying something like that. Plus some 100NL regs might be ridiculously good at not tilting while understanding very little fundamentals of the game and cannot hand read even if one card is face up while a 600NL reg can soulread you while having absolutely zero self control/discipline

These threads while seemingly good at the time you posted it, is just ridiculous.

On March 06 2010 12:07 Stroggos wrote: i dunno, but phil galfond stated a difference between many 25/50 regs and a 2/4 reg is knowing when to value bet.

Yeah this is a pretty big factor . Many midstakes players don't know how to valuebet at all.

On March 06 2010 13:05 gawdawaful wrote: How would you even come about quantifying something like that.

using the criteria in my original post? ffs

Plus some 100NL regs might be ridiculously good at not tilting while understanding very little fundamentals of the game and cannot hand read even if one card is face up while a 600NL reg can soulread you while having absolutely zero self control/discipline

yes i get it different people have different strengths and weaknesses.

what if there's a 400nl reg who value bets super good but tilts a lot, does that mean phil galfond's (and twisted's) generalization about 400nl players not value-betting as well as 5knl players is irrelavent?

3 is biggest by far

On March 06 2010 11:11 byrnesam wrote: Show nested quote + On March 06 2010 11:09 animaniacs wrote: might want to read my post byrnesam my mistake 400nl reg will be 400% better than a 100nl reg 600nl reg will be 600% better than a 100nl reg

hahahah awesome

Half of the mid stakes regs have been around forever. Most have been living poker day by day for years. So by default, mid-stakes regs would have deeper understanding of the game(in they're own ways)

So I guess biggest difference would be the bankroll. Most of the regs whos been around for awhile easily have 500k+ to their name where else low-stakes grinders would have just enough bankroll to grind the stakes they play and some living expense.

from what I have seen the higher you get the better regs understand dynamics and can adjust better

400nl+ people think less about dumb shit like this

100nl people love thinking about stuff like this.

On March 06 2010 11:11 byrnesam wrote: Show nested quote + On March 06 2010 11:09 animaniacs wrote: might want to read my post byrnesam my mistake 400nl reg will be 400% better than a 100nl reg 600nl reg will be 600% better than a 100nl reg

nono, it's 300% and 500% increases respectively! ^__^

a lot of people are treating this like i asked an open "whats the difference between smallstakes and midstakes regs" and that's really not what i wanted, i wanted it to be defined in the terms of my op. oh well.

thanks to dusty and andrew for at least giving a serious answer.

and nolan if you think this is stupid you're free to gtfo of my thread.

On March 06 2010 14:58 animaniacs wrote: Show nested quote + On March 06 2010 13:05 gawdawaful wrote: How would you even come about quantifying something like that. using the criteria in my original post? ffs   Plus some 100NL regs might be ridiculously good at not tilting while understanding very little fundamentals of the game and cannot hand read even if one card is face up while a 600NL reg can soulread you while having absolutely zero self control/discipline yes i get it different people have different strengths and weaknesses. what if there's a 400nl reg who value bets super good but tilts a lot, does that mean phil galfond's (and twisted's) generalization about 400nl players not value-betting as well as 5knl players is irrelavent?

You still dont get it. How do you measure how much better player A is at value betting vs player B in a % ratio? I'm assuming you're a 100NL/200NL player hence why you ask for 400+, so humour me, how much better in a % measurement, is 100NL regs better at valuebetting than 50NL, and 25NL regs, and how you come about this %?

And their generalization isn't irrelevant, its a stepwise scale considering 5k NL players are much more adapt at recognizing when to cbet than a 400NL player, whereas a 400NL player will be much more adept than a 100NL player and so forth (at least, logistically speaking)

On March 06 2010 17:09 gawdawaful wrote: Show nested quote + On March 06 2010 14:58 animaniacs wrote:   On March 06 2010 13:05 gawdawaful wrote: How would you even come about quantifying something like that. using the criteria in my original post? ffs   Plus some 100NL regs might be ridiculously good at not tilting while understanding very little fundamentals of the game and cannot hand read even if one card is face up while a 600NL reg can soulread you while having absolutely zero self control/discipline yes i get it different people have different strengths and weaknesses. what if there's a 400nl reg who value bets super good but tilts a lot, does that mean phil galfond's (and twisted's) generalization about 400nl players not value-betting as well as 5knl players is irrelavent? You still dont get it. How do you measure how much better player A is at value betting vs player B in a % ratio? I'm assuming you're a 100NL/200NL player hence why you ask for 400+, so humour me, how much better in a % measurement, is 100NL regs better at valuebetting than 50NL, and 25NL regs, and how you come about this %? And their generalization isn't irrelevant, its a stepwise scale considering 5k NL players are much more adapt at recognizing when to cbet than a 400NL player, whereas a 400NL player will be much more adept than a 100NL player and so forth (at least, logistically speaking)

obviously there's not a method to come up with a correct %, i'm just asking people to guesstimate.

and i don't mean like saying player A is X% better than player B at value-betting or whatever. i mean saying what percentage value-betting would account for if you made an (approximate) pie graph of the the 3 criteria i listed as to why midstakes regs are better than smallstakes regs.

in other words i'm not asking "how much better is player A than player B at doing X". i'm asking "if you take criteria X Y and Z, how do they compare to each other in terms of comprising the gap between player A and player B".

maybe i didn't phrase it very well and there was some misunderstanding, i'll re-check my op.

OP why are u asking about it? u r never gonna make it that far.

imo

hahah

On March 06 2010 17:35 bongky wrote: OP why are u asking about it? u r never gonna make it that far. imo

why does that matter?

nolan

this thread is so bad that its awesome

On March 06 2010 16:37 nolan wrote: 400nl+ people think less about dumb shit like this 100nl people love thinking about stuff like this.

qft

Orignial poster ur wasting ur time man seriously none of this matters

On March 06 2010 17:59 DooMeR wrote: Show nested quote + On March 06 2010 16:37 nolan wrote: 400nl+ people think less about dumb shit like this 100nl people love thinking about stuff like this. qft Orignial poster ur wasting ur time man seriously none of this matters

it only matters to the extent that i'm curious about it. but i can see it's probably a lost cause getting any more real answers.

On March 06 2010 17:51 Minsk wrote: this thread is so bad that its awesome

rofl exactly what i thought

OP, you made a speculative thread asking for people to basically just hypothesize/generalize a bunch of bullshit about something that is in NO way quantifiable. It's like asking what's the difference between people who make $100k a year and those who make $50k a year. Yes, you could make some generalizations (those who make more are better educated, come from xyz background) but if you actually believed or did anything more with those generalizations beyond dismissing them immediately, you'd be a fool.

What's worse it that you're trying to defend it by saying it's a "serious question." It's impossible to quantify because you're thinking from a specific perspective which says that everyone starts from small stakes and works their way up. If this were true, maybe some generalizations would be possible, but just as with my income example, that's completely false in poker. People play at different stakes for a trillion different reasons, the smallest of which is due to skill and steady progress.

EDIT: Probably a better way to approach this is: what do you think are the major leaks that keep people from moving into higher midstakes or something like that.

On March 06 2010 11:59 rozyboy wrote: Show nested quote + On March 06 2010 11:04 byrnesam wrote: 400nl reg will be 4x better than a 100nl reg 600nl reg will be 6x better than a 100nl reg i thought it was: 400nl reg will run 4x better than a 100nl reg 600nl reg will run 6x better than a 100nl reg

flame on

it's hard not to suck.

On March 06 2010 17:35 bongky wrote: OP why are u asking about it? u r never gonna make it that far. imo

LOL sad but true for most inc myself haha

ok i gave up on this thread but i'm just going to reply to this

On March 06 2010 18:49 Sanai wrote: OP, you made a speculative thread asking for people to basically just hypothesize/generalize a bunch of bullshit about something that is in NO way quantifiable. It's like asking what's the difference between people who make $100k a year and those who make $50k a year. Yes, you could make some generalizations (those who make more are better educated, come from xyz background) but if you actually believed or did anything more with those generalizations beyond dismissing them immediately, you'd be a fool.

i was just going to reply to this by explaining why it's irrelavent to my thread, but it's just so full of crap i can't even believe a fully functional human would type it. you just said i could generalize that people making 100k/year are, on the whole, more educated than those making 50k/year. then you said if i actually believed that generalization i would be a fool. ummm.. you can't make a generalization and "not actually believe it" unless you're purposely being disingenuous lol. i think you are confused or something.

as far as doing anything more with them, i could be a nit and disprove this too but more to the point, where did i say anything about doing more with them? seriously http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/curiosity

What's worse it that you're trying to defend it by saying it's a "serious question." It's impossible to quantify because you're thinking from a specific perspective which says that everyone starts from small stakes and works their way up. If this were true, maybe some generalizations would be possible, but just as with my income example, that's completely false in poker. People play at different stakes for a trillion different reasons, the smallest of which is due to skill and steady progress.

ok first of all, i'm not trying to defend anything and i don't have to either. as the creator of this thread it's my prerogative to ask about whatever the fuck i want (as long as it's related to poker), and this is something i happened to be curious about. although it's funny you mention this because all i did was thank a couple people for making serious replies (although of course this thread is serious in the sense that it's an earnest question looking for an answer). as for the rest of that paragraph: you're taking specific (and as it so happens very rare) examples to try and make my question about generalities sound fallacious, lol.

EDIT: Probably a better way to approach this is: what do you think are the major leaks that keep people from moving into higher midstakes or something like that.

but that's a different question and one i'm not as interested in because everyone knows the (general) answers to that.

rar

So to summarise; you asked a question and you got replies from NL100, NL400 and NL600+ regs saying it was a dumb question which was impossible to answer, but actually it was just everyone was too stupid to understand.

OP lives in a higher plane of existence, prolly making him understand the answer of this thread 32% more than we do.

On March 06 2010 23:40 byrnesam wrote: So to summarise; you asked a question and you got replies from NL100, NL400 and NL600+ regs saying it was a dumb question which was impossible to answer, but actually it was just everyone was too stupid to understand.

i never said or even implied anyone was too stupid to understand it, possibly with the exception of the last person i replied to. so no. i got a couple decent albeit brief answers from mid-high stakes players, and a bunch of trolling (fwiw i'm not including gawdawaful in this as even though he obv disagrees with me he wasn't really trolling).

poker is poker bro, im not sure what you are expecting to find all that different between these limits, but it's really not that much. It's not like comparing NL2 to NL50. Sure at NL2 there are some very very specific player patterns that are obvious within 5 minutes of sitting down. People limp constantly, they play all sorts of hands, and they never fold. At NL50, people tend to raise when entering a pot instead of limping, and tend not to play shitty hands.

But between NL100 and NL600 I'd just say NL600 players are better at everything which makes a half way decent player profitable. They raise in better spots, they know when to call in better spots, they know how to play certain hands in a more optimal fashion than players at lower limits. But it's nothing groundbreaking. Just expect a higher class of player who can probably beat most NL100 players. What else can you say? It's not like everyone is raising and reraising the fuck out of each other preflop, or people playing ridiculous hands and trapping you with crazy suckouts or whatever. They'll just read you better than you read them.

OP, how can you quantify the difference between 100nl-600nl regs without looking at:

-Their religion, and respective piety
-Their family and family history
-Their socio-economic class
-Their artistic and literary talents
-Their sensitivity, romanticism and sentimentalism
-Their patriotism, provincialism, and rootedness in their native culture
-Their cooking, cleaning and other domestic abilities
-Their mental and emotional stability
-Their historical attitude and preferences regarding bourgeois family life
-Their racial origins (if not already clear)
-Their feminine virtues (virginity, modesty, etc)

On March 07 2010 02:40 FoolsPlay wrote: OP, how can you quantify the difference between 100nl-600nl regs without looking at: -Their religion, and respective piety -Their family and family history -Their socio-economic class -Their artistic and literary talents -Their sensitivity, romanticism and sentimentalism -Their patriotism, provincialism, and rootedness in their native culture -Their cooking, cleaning and other domestic abilities -Their mental and emotional stability -Their historical attitude and preferences regarding bourgeois family life -Their racial origins (if not already clear) -Their feminine virtues (virginity, modesty, etc)

MoltkeWarding. Cant believe I remember that guys name.

Was he a NL600 reg?

HOW MUCH BETTER WAS HE THAN EVERYONE ELSE?
IN PERCENTAGE FORM ONLY PLEASE

For 38 posts you got a lot of balls telling nolan to gtfo. He's a lp hero whereas you are just that random guy.

You can make it to 100nl by teaching a few monkeys. 400nl requires 4 times the amount of monkeys and 600nl requires 150% the monkeys it does for 400nl. Being a monkey yourself i hope my explanation helps.

i wasn't even trolling, that's really a major difference i noted.

haha foolsplay nice one mate.

dude i'm like the best ever i just run worse than everyone else duh.

On March 06 2010 16:37 nolan wrote: 400nl+ people think less about dumb shit like this 100nl people love thinking about stuff like this.

This FTW.

On March 06 2010 18:26 animaniacs wrote: Show nested quote + On March 06 2010 17:59 DooMeR wrote:   On March 06 2010 16:37 nolan wrote: 400nl+ people think less about dumb shit like this 100nl people love thinking about stuff like this. qft Orignial poster ur wasting ur time man seriously none of this matters it only matters to the extent that i'm curious about it. but i can see it's probably a lost cause getting any more real answers.

Seriously I'm just going to outright say it because your comments are so tilting. You're not getting "real answers" because your question is stupid. Clearly you have 100% failed to comprehend this and thus you keep arguing for what you believe is a good question and giving people attitude because lets face it you yourself are probably stupid. People are giving you good advice and a good answer when they say your question is useless, irrelevant, and impossible to quantify in the way you desire. Even if your 3 little categories were intelligently comprised - which I can promise you they aren't - it would be absolutely impossible because every player is unique in terms of what they do well and what they do poorly.

I'm not really sure what's going on this thread but it can't still be related to the original topic so I'm going to use this time to tell you I ate a bagel for breakfast.

I think this is a good question. I have noticed that number 3, self control, is actually the factor that low stakes players have in the highest abundance. The problem is that they don't tilt but they don't really play well either or adjust.

Number 1 and 2 are pretty closely related so I would say 90% 1 and 2 and 10% self control.

Also something to note, self control may be less if the players at lower stakes are actually trying to play well and make reads, because they may fail and tilt/and or go back to their robot mode of playing where they are tilt free

On March 07 2010 14:56 Big_Rob_48 wrote: I think this is a good question. I have noticed that number 3, self control, is actually the factor that low stakes players have in the highest abundance. The problem is that they don't tilt but they don't really play well either or adjust. Number 1 and 2 are pretty closely related so I would say 90% 1 and 2 and 10% self control. Also something to note, self control may be less if the players at lower stakes are actually trying to play well and make reads, because they may fail and tilt/and or go back to their robot mode of playing where they are tilt free

omg yes <3

to the benjamin1 kid, i responded to and annihilated all of the stuff you posted in my reply to sanai so you might want to put your reading goggles on before returning to your role as LP's defective meme.

there should be a "track someone's post" option in this forum to be able to track byrnesam & his epic responses :D

& srlsy OP you should understand that your question is somewhat stupid and cant really be answered to before Baal comes to this thread and destroys you :D

On March 07 2010 17:04 Spitfiree wrote: there should be a "track someone's post" option in this forum to be able to track byrnesam & his epic responses :D & srlsy OP you should understand that your question is somewhat stupid and cant really be answered to before Baal comes to this thread and destroys you :D

feel free to enlighten me in the meantime champ

oh man ur just a lost cause w/e

ok thought so

lol

On March 07 2010 16:21 animaniacs wrote: to the benjamin1 kid, i responded to and annihilated all of the stuff you posted in my reply to sanai so you might want to put your reading goggles on before returning to your role as LP's defective meme.

The only thing you annihilated was your credibility within this community. Enjoy your lifetime ban because I'm sure it's coming. I'm sure you'll spend it telling yourself how you were right and everyone else just didn't get your genius.

You asked a stupid question but because you're an egotistical twat you don't want to admit that your question was stupid and clearly impossible to answer. Instead you'd prefer to lash out at every responder who disagrees with you and attempt to insult them all in defense of your ego.

Good luck getting more advice from anyone in this community. I sure as hell won't be bothering to help you. You're just too stupid for your own good. My advice to you. Quit poker.

omg you gonna take that spitfiree? damn dawg

im not sure what you really want to hear, you want us to tell you NL600 regs are 150% better at understand fundamentals and 130% better at reading hands, and 165% better at being disciplined?

I mean come on...... we can't quantify it with any accuracy, they're just better players overall....

Who is this animaniacs troll anyway?

On March 07 2010 19:42 Fayth wrote: im not sure what you really want to hear, you want us to tell you NL600 regs are 150% better at understand fundamentals and 130% better at reading hands, and 165% better at being disciplined? I mean come on...... we can't quantify it with any accuracy, they're just better players overall....

and i don't mean like saying player A is X% better than player B at value-betting or whatever. i mean saying what percentage value-betting would account for if you made an (approximate) pie graph of the the 3 criteria i listed as to why midstakes regs are better than smallstakes regs. in other words i'm not asking "how much better is player A than player B at doing X". i'm asking "if you take criteria X Y and Z, how do they compare to each other in terms of comprising the gap between player A and player B".

so like for example if i was asking the same question about the skill difference between 2 players at BW using micro/macro as the criteria. i think player A's micro is 4x as good as player B's and his macro is 2x as good. but i also think macro is 2x as important as micro. so i would say the difference is 50% micro and 50% macro.

On March 07 2010 20:06 animaniacs wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2010 19:42 Fayth wrote: im not sure what you really want to hear, you want us to tell you NL600 regs are 150% better at understand fundamentals and 130% better at reading hands, and 165% better at being disciplined? I mean come on...... we can't quantify it with any accuracy, they're just better players overall....   and i don't mean like saying player A is X% better than player B at value-betting or whatever. i mean saying what percentage value-betting would account for if you made an (approximate) pie graph of the the 3 criteria i listed as to why midstakes regs are better than smallstakes regs. in other words i'm not asking "how much better is player A than player B at doing X". i'm asking "if you take criteria X Y and Z, how do they compare to each other in terms of comprising the gap between player A and player B". so like for example if i was asking the same question about the skill difference between 2 players at BW using micro/macro as the criteria. i think player A's micro is 4x as good as player B's and his macro is 2x as good. but i also think macro is 2x as important as micro. so i would say the difference is 50% micro and 50% macro.

yeaaaaaaaaaaa thats retarded.

yea that's pointless, i'd just say they have better or worse , or are a bit better or a bit/a lot worse at micro/macro and thats it

NL600 players generally have better micro than NL100 players

by about 47.9%

just like locoo said, It's pointless, seriously, no offense buddy but drop the case this is stupid

On March 07 2010 20:27 locoo wrote: yea that's pointless, i'd just say they have better or worse , or are a bit better or a bit/a lot worse at micro/macro and thats it

it doesn't matter if it's "pointless", the only point is to satisfy my curiosity.

there seem to be two basic objections to my post, one is that it's impossible to answer (even in generalizations), doesn't make sense, etc. which may be in part due to how my op was phrased, but regardless of that i re-explained this part enough already.

the other is that it's pointless or not useful in any way, which is completely perpendicular to the point of this thread.

On March 07 2010 20:55 Fayth wrote: just like locoo said, It's pointless, seriously, no offense buddy but drop the case this is stupid

but yeah, i'm done with this now because it's not going anywhere.

i just think the people who came in trolling need to realize that if it's not interesting to them the correct thing to do is ignore it and go on to another thread, and if nobody is interested it will die a natural death, instead of being like "zomg tihs shits retaaardeddd LOL".

peace

this thread is so retarded that I was unable to think of anything to say I thought for a while about a way I can contribute, but it's not possible
As a rule of thumb, they are just gonna be slightly better at almost everything

On March 06 2010 23:07 byrnesam wrote:

lol

as much as everyone hated this thread, its actually really enjoyable over some rum and coke

and my only constructive comment to the thread is umm

you might as well ask GOD for your "true allin ev" graph that represents how you play against villains entire range in every hand you played that you tracked, including how well you ran on hands that did not go all in, etc etc, cause thats probably just as easy as calculating the numbers you're asking for

byrnesam is so fucking funny haha =D

animaniacs for mod?

the other kind of problem that you aren't addressing with this is that, especially like , well, in my experience that only spans pokerstars, about nl400 and onward, you get really foggy on who is a reg at what limit, because most people play at least two limits regularly, if not more, so really trying to categorize who is a reg at what limit gets really dumb. and theres huge variance in the skill levels at each limit, you get people that are obviously nearly breakeven fpp pros, or even nearly negative fpp pros, and you go from there to people like.. kelisitaan or whoever who just kill it.. so i mean.. if you cant even accurately point out who is a "reg at X limit" at these limits, its really really a moot point man

tldr: this is a dumb question

but why rockman pls explain yourself why would such a stupid question be dumb ???

I think this was probably the most intelligent question ever.

On March 07 2010 22:46 nolan wrote: animaniacs for mod?

would be an improvement over baal if that means anything

why dont you go and sleaze min-bet somebody Twisted?


or cry yourself to sleep in Japan while Muwheli and Strafe score with some chicks?

On March 08 2010 09:38 Twisted wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2010 22:46 nolan wrote: animaniacs for mod? would be an improvement over baal if that means anything

while on that subject how/why did Baal become a mod? Did you help get the site started or donate?

wtf

lololol

LOL

man you take shit serious haha

nah i just felt like punching back unnecessarily hard, i dont even dislike you... much ;3


but back on topic:

400nl - 400% better
600nl - 600% better

no not back on topic, buuu

On March 07 2010 20:06 animaniacs wrote: so like for example if i was asking the same question about the skill difference between 2 players at BW using micro/macro as the criteria. i think player A's micro is 4x as good as player B's and his macro is 2x as good. but i also think macro is 2x as important as micro. so i would say the difference is 50% micro and 50% macro.

Please quantify the difference between Flash's and Suny's mechanics (micro, macro, whatever) / strategical knowledge / game sense / experience / nerves, then based on your numbers and your assumptions on how each of these things (as well as anything else I may have left out) contribute to the overall skill of a SC:BW Terran progamer in 2010 give us a number measuring the gap.

If it is easier, you can also compare their life time or recent results and give us percentages based on that; Flash plays in the Proleague, Suny plays mostly in Dream League but sometimes in Proleague as well. Take the sample size into consideration as well.


On a sidenote I would be more interested in finding the correlation between dick size and stakes played, maybe we can start a thread for that too.

On March 07 2010 21:14 animaniacs wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2010 20:55 Fayth wrote: just like locoo said, It's pointless, seriously, no offense buddy but drop the case this is stupid but yeah, i'm done with this now because it's not going anywhere. i just think the people who came in trolling need to realize that if it's not interesting to them the correct thing to do is ignore it and go on to another thread, and if nobody is interested it will die a natural death, instead of being like "zomg tihs shits retaaardeddd LOL". peace

Anyone else notice how this insecure little egomaniac is so afraid of the possibility that he may have asked a dumb question that he has to attack everyone else in the thread and invent some sort of alternate reality where what he said was actually intelligent?

I honestly think at this point the guy has to be leveling. Probably just some 2p2 knob making a stupid thread to make fun of how LP abuses stupid posters lol.

On March 09 2010 16:31 Bejamin1 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2010 21:14 animaniacs wrote:   On March 07 2010 20:55 Fayth wrote: just like locoo said, It's pointless, seriously, no offense buddy but drop the case this is stupid but yeah, i'm done with this now because it's not going anywhere. i just think the people who came in trolling need to realize that if it's not interesting to them the correct thing to do is ignore it and go on to another thread, and if nobody is interested it will die a natural death, instead of being like "zomg tihs shits retaaardeddd LOL". peace Anyone else notice how this insecure little egomaniac is so afraid of the possibility that he may have asked a dumb question that he has to attack everyone else in the thread and invent some sort of alternate reality where what he said was actually intelligent? I honestly think at this point the guy has to be leveling. Probably just some 2p2 knob making a stupid thread to make fun of how LP abuses stupid posters lol.

i think you're looking for the "question for microstakes plo regs" thread man, sorry if my title confused you.

ok i have spent the last 3 days doing hardcore calculation and statistic, and here are my conclusions


600 NL players have approximatly 56.43% better understanding of fundamentals than 100 nl players
600 NL players have approximatly 36.77% better ability to make reads than 100 nl players
600 NL players have approximatly 14.06% better self-control/discipline than 100 nl players

My margin of error is about 7.5%

op is seriously mentally challenged, can someone ban him? or is that unethical

reading this thread made me more stupid

LOL animaniacs shows how retarded can sb be UNBELIEVABLE

100nl reg

Submitted by : zaephyr

***** Hand History for Game 5637149987 ***** Everest
$100.00 USD NL Texas Holdem - Wednesday, March 10, 07:36:19 ET 2010
Table Lulusar19 Real Money
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: AdeisitA $102.90 USD
Seat 2: JLLP $105.75 USD
Seat 3: Osprey7 $20.80 USD
Seat 4: @@Kalipso@@ $145.05 USD
Seat 5: keanen $68.00 USD
Seat 6: zetero $173.25 USD
Osprey7 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
@@Kalipso@@ posts big blind [$1.00 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to zetero [ ]
** Dealing down cards **
keanen folds
zetero raises [$3.50 USD]
AdeisitA raises [$12.00 USD]
JLLP folds
Osprey7 folds
@@Kalipso@@ folds
zetero calls [$8.50 USD]

Flop (Pot : $25.50)

   
zetero checks
AdeisitA bets [$18.00 USD]
zetero folds
zetero shows , ]
AdeisitA wins $18.00 USD
AdeisitA shows , ]
AdeisitA wins $24.25 USD from main pot

hahahahhaha i opened this thread expecting to see tom posting this hand somehow!

Is this a multiple choice question? Cuz when I dk the answer I usually go with B.

LOL

OMFG TOM I WAS DRINKING WATER
i spit it out

On March 10 2010 13:55 TalentedTom wrote: 100nl reg Submitted by : zaephyr ***** Hand History for Game 5637149987 ***** Everest $100.00 USD NL Texas Holdem - Wednesday, March 10, 07:36:19 ET 2010 Table Lulusar19 Real Money Seat 2 is the button Seat 1: AdeisitA $102.90 USD Seat 2: JLLP $105.75 USD Seat 3: Osprey7 $20.80 USD Seat 4: @@Kalipso@@ $145.05 USD Seat 5: keanen $68.00 USD Seat 6: zetero $173.25 USD Osprey7 posts small blind [$0.50 USD]. @@Kalipso@@ posts big blind [$1.00 USD]. Holecards Dealt to zetero [ ] ** Dealing down cards ** keanen folds zetero raises [$3.50 USD] AdeisitA raises [$12.00 USD] JLLP folds Osprey7 folds @@Kalipso@@ folds zetero calls [$8.50 USD] Flop (Pot : $25.50)     zetero checks AdeisitA bets [$18.00 USD] zetero folds zetero shows , ] AdeisitA wins $18.00 USD AdeisitA shows , ] AdeisitA wins $24.25 USD from main pot

good disciplined fold, rarely are ahead against that type of flop size bet on that board texture, he's only repping JJ+ and sometimes AJ/KJ, which would fold to a raise making it -EV. Obv if you are results oriented its a bad fold but honestly it's like 80%+ JJ+ and you get stacked everytime you raise vs those.

On March 10 2010 13:55 TalentedTom wrote: 100nl reg Submitted by : zaephyr ***** Hand History for Game 5637149987 ***** Everest $100.00 USD NL Texas Holdem - Wednesday, March 10, 07:36:19 ET 2010 Table Lulusar19 Real Money Seat 2 is the button Seat 1: AdeisitA $102.90 USD Seat 2: JLLP $105.75 USD Seat 3: Osprey7 $20.80 USD Seat 4: @@Kalipso@@ $145.05 USD Seat 5: keanen $68.00 USD Seat 6: zetero $173.25 USD Osprey7 posts small blind [$0.50 USD]. @@Kalipso@@ posts big blind [$1.00 USD]. Holecards Dealt to zetero [ ] ** Dealing down cards ** keanen folds zetero raises [$3.50 USD] AdeisitA raises [$12.00 USD] JLLP folds Osprey7 folds @@Kalipso@@ folds zetero calls [$8.50 USD] Flop (Pot : $25.50)     zetero checks AdeisitA bets [$18.00 USD] zetero folds zetero shows , ] AdeisitA wins $18.00 USD AdeisitA shows , ] AdeisitA wins $24.25 USD from main pot

http://pokertube.com/Movies.aspx?movi...mp;KeyID=1&title=WPT_S07_Ep13_4_4

skip to 3:30
lol sorry Frinkx

On March 11 2010 03:46 anarki wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2010 13:55 TalentedTom wrote: 100nl reg Submitted by : zaephyr ***** Hand History for Game 5637149987 ***** Everest $100.00 USD NL Texas Holdem - Wednesday, March 10, 07:36:19 ET 2010 Table Lulusar19 Real Money Seat 2 is the button Seat 1: AdeisitA $102.90 USD Seat 2: JLLP $105.75 USD Seat 3: Osprey7 $20.80 USD Seat 4: @@Kalipso@@ $145.05 USD Seat 5: keanen $68.00 USD Seat 6: zetero $173.25 USD Osprey7 posts small blind [$0.50 USD]. @@Kalipso@@ posts big blind [$1.00 USD]. Holecards Dealt to zetero [ ] ** Dealing down cards ** keanen folds zetero raises [$3.50 USD] AdeisitA raises [$12.00 USD] JLLP folds Osprey7 folds @@Kalipso@@ folds zetero calls [$8.50 USD] Flop (Pot : $25.50)     zetero checks AdeisitA bets [$18.00 USD] zetero folds zetero shows , ] AdeisitA wins $18.00 USD AdeisitA shows , ] AdeisitA wins $24.25 USD from main pot http://pokertube.com/Movies.aspx?movi...mp;KeyID=1&title=WPT_S07_Ep13_4_4 skip to 3:30 lol sorry Frinkx

haha almost forgot about that one

On March 11 2010 03:46 anarki wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2010 13:55 TalentedTom wrote: 100nl reg Submitted by : zaephyr ***** Hand History for Game 5637149987 ***** Everest $100.00 USD NL Texas Holdem - Wednesday, March 10, 07:36:19 ET 2010 Table Lulusar19 Real Money Seat 2 is the button Seat 1: AdeisitA $102.90 USD Seat 2: JLLP $105.75 USD Seat 3: Osprey7 $20.80 USD Seat 4: @@Kalipso@@ $145.05 USD Seat 5: keanen $68.00 USD Seat 6: zetero $173.25 USD Osprey7 posts small blind [$0.50 USD]. @@Kalipso@@ posts big blind [$1.00 USD]. Holecards Dealt to zetero [ ] ** Dealing down cards ** keanen folds zetero raises [$3.50 USD] AdeisitA raises [$12.00 USD] JLLP folds Osprey7 folds @@Kalipso@@ folds zetero calls [$8.50 USD] Flop (Pot : $25.50)     zetero checks AdeisitA bets [$18.00 USD] zetero folds zetero shows , ] AdeisitA wins $18.00 USD AdeisitA shows , ] AdeisitA wins $24.25 USD from main pot http://pokertube.com/Movies.aspx?movie=9465&KeyID=1&title=WPT_S07_Ep13_4_4 skip to 3:30 lol sorry Frinkx

Nice hand kid

lolol

On March 09 2010 19:57 animaniacs wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2010 16:31 Bejamin1 wrote:   On March 07 2010 21:14 animaniacs wrote:   On March 07 2010 20:55 Fayth wrote: just like locoo said, It's pointless, seriously, no offense buddy but drop the case this is stupid but yeah, i'm done with this now because it's not going anywhere. i just think the people who came in trolling need to realize that if it's not interesting to them the correct thing to do is ignore it and go on to another thread, and if nobody is interested it will die a natural death, instead of being like "zomg tihs shits retaaardeddd LOL". peace Anyone else notice how this insecure little egomaniac is so afraid of the possibility that he may have asked a dumb question that he has to attack everyone else in the thread and invent some sort of alternate reality where what he said was actually intelligent? I honestly think at this point the guy has to be leveling. Probably just some 2p2 knob making a stupid thread to make fun of how LP abuses stupid posters lol. i think you're looking for the "question for microstakes plo regs" thread man, sorry if my title confused you.

I'm a long-time poster who plays low-stakes casually for extra money because I don't enjoy the game much. I make no secret of that. If you check my PTR you'll see quite plainly that I'm a winning player who rarely plays.

You might think you're insulting me but I'm completely comfortable with the stakes I play and I'm not ashamed of the fact that I play them. Unlike you I'm not an insecure little girl. Every reply you post in this thread just shows how much you care about what random people on the internet think of you. The fact that we all think you're an idiot is eating you up inside. The fact that you can't even handle basic criticism aimed not even at you personally but at the question you asked just proves how weak you are.

You've done nothing but insult everyone who has disagreed with you and given you good advice in this thread.

The only thing I feel towards you is pity man. You must be one hell of a weak, insecure, and pathetic individual if you can't even handle a question of yours being called stupid on the internet. God forbid you ever have to go outside and deal with real life and people. Good luck because you are totally fucked. I bet even your own mother thinks you're an insecure defensive douche lol.

On March 11 2010 14:48 Bejamin1 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2010 19:57 animaniacs wrote:   On March 09 2010 16:31 Bejamin1 wrote:   On March 07 2010 21:14 animaniacs wrote:   On March 07 2010 20:55 Fayth wrote: just like locoo said, It's pointless, seriously, no offense buddy but drop the case this is stupid but yeah, i'm done with this now because it's not going anywhere. i just think the people who came in trolling need to realize that if it's not interesting to them the correct thing to do is ignore it and go on to another thread, and if nobody is interested it will die a natural death, instead of being like "zomg tihs shits retaaardeddd LOL". peace Anyone else notice how this insecure little egomaniac is so afraid of the possibility that he may have asked a dumb question that he has to attack everyone else in the thread and invent some sort of alternate reality where what he said was actually intelligent? I honestly think at this point the guy has to be leveling. Probably just some 2p2 knob making a stupid thread to make fun of how LP abuses stupid posters lol. i think you're looking for the "question for microstakes plo regs" thread man, sorry if my title confused you. I'm a long-time poster who plays low-stakes casually for extra money because I don't enjoy the game much. I make no secret of that. If you check my PTR you'll see quite plainly that I'm a winning player who rarely plays. You might think you're insulting me but I'm completely comfortable with the stakes I play and I'm not ashamed of the fact that I play them. Unlike you I'm not an insecure little girl. Every reply you post in this thread just shows how much you care about what random people on the internet think of you. The fact that we all think you're an idiot is eating you up inside. The fact that you can't even handle basic criticism aimed not even at you personally but at the question you asked just proves how weak you are. You've done nothing but insult everyone who has disagreed with you and given you good advice in this thread. The only thing I feel towards you is pity man. You must be one hell of a weak, insecure, and pathetic individual if you can't even handle a question of yours being called stupid on the internet. God forbid you ever have to go outside and deal with real life and people. Good luck because you are totally fucked. I bet even your own mother thinks you're an insecure defensive douche lol.

<3 Bejamin

god damn bejamin

lol pwned

BOOM!

On March 11 2010 14:48 Bejamin1 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2010 19:57 animaniacs wrote:   On March 09 2010 16:31 Bejamin1 wrote:   On March 07 2010 21:14 animaniacs wrote:   On March 07 2010 20:55 Fayth wrote: just like locoo said, It's pointless, seriously, no offense buddy but drop the case this is stupid but yeah, i'm done with this now because it's not going anywhere. i just think the people who came in trolling need to realize that if it's not interesting to them the correct thing to do is ignore it and go on to another thread, and if nobody is interested it will die a natural death, instead of being like "zomg tihs shits retaaardeddd LOL". peace Anyone else notice how this insecure little egomaniac is so afraid of the possibility that he may have asked a dumb question that he has to attack everyone else in the thread and invent some sort of alternate reality where what he said was actually intelligent? I honestly think at this point the guy has to be leveling. Probably just some 2p2 knob making a stupid thread to make fun of how LP abuses stupid posters lol. i think you're looking for the "question for microstakes plo regs" thread man, sorry if my title confused you. I'm a long-time poster who plays low-stakes casually for extra money because I don't enjoy the game much. I make no secret of that. If you check my PTR you'll see quite plainly that I'm a winning player who rarely plays. You might think you're insulting me but I'm completely comfortable with the stakes I play and I'm not ashamed of the fact that I play them. Unlike you I'm not an insecure little girl. Every reply you post in this thread just shows how much you care about what random people on the internet think of you. The fact that we all think you're an idiot is eating you up inside. The fact that you can't even handle basic criticism aimed not even at you personally but at the question you asked just proves how weak you are. You've done nothing but insult everyone who has disagreed with you and given you good advice in this thread. The only thing I feel towards you is pity man. You must be one hell of a weak, insecure, and pathetic individual if you can't even handle a question of yours being called stupid on the internet. God forbid you ever have to go outside and deal with real life and people. Good luck because you are totally fucked. I bet even your own mother thinks you're an insecure defensive douche lol.

what was all that for? i just thought you accidentally clicked on the wrong thread...

On March 12 2010 23:04 animaniacs wrote: Show nested quote + On March 11 2010 14:48 Bejamin1 wrote:   On March 09 2010 19:57 animaniacs wrote:   On March 09 2010 16:31 Bejamin1 wrote:   On March 07 2010 21:14 animaniacs wrote:   On March 07 2010 20:55 Fayth wrote: just like locoo said, It's pointless, seriously, no offense buddy but drop the case this is stupid but yeah, i'm done with this now because it's not going anywhere. i just think the people who came in trolling need to realize that if it's not interesting to them the correct thing to do is ignore it and go on to another thread, and if nobody is interested it will die a natural death, instead of being like "zomg tihs shits retaaardeddd LOL". peace Anyone else notice how this insecure little egomaniac is so afraid of the possibility that he may have asked a dumb question that he has to attack everyone else in the thread and invent some sort of alternate reality where what he said was actually intelligent? I honestly think at this point the guy has to be leveling. Probably just some 2p2 knob making a stupid thread to make fun of how LP abuses stupid posters lol. i think you're looking for the "question for microstakes plo regs" thread man, sorry if my title confused you. I'm a long-time poster who plays low-stakes casually for extra money because I don't enjoy the game much. I make no secret of that. If you check my PTR you'll see quite plainly that I'm a winning player who rarely plays. You might think you're insulting me but I'm completely comfortable with the stakes I play and I'm not ashamed of the fact that I play them. Unlike you I'm not an insecure little girl. Every reply you post in this thread just shows how much you care about what random people on the internet think of you. The fact that we all think you're an idiot is eating you up inside. The fact that you can't even handle basic criticism aimed not even at you personally but at the question you asked just proves how weak you are. You've done nothing but insult everyone who has disagreed with you and given you good advice in this thread. The only thing I feel towards you is pity man. You must be one hell of a weak, insecure, and pathetic individual if you can't even handle a question of yours being called stupid on the internet. God forbid you ever have to go outside and deal with real life and people. Good luck because you are totally fucked. I bet even your own mother thinks you're an insecure defensive douche lol. what was all that for? i just thought you accidentally clicked on the wrong thread...

here you go -> http://www.facebook.com

On March 11 2010 02:58 bigbb33 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2010 13:55 TalentedTom wrote: 100nl reg Submitted by : zaephyr ***** Hand History for Game 5637149987 ***** Everest $100.00 USD NL Texas Holdem - Wednesday, March 10, 07:36:19 ET 2010 Table Lulusar19 Real Money Seat 2 is the button Seat 1: AdeisitA $102.90 USD Seat 2: JLLP $105.75 USD Seat 3: Osprey7 $20.80 USD Seat 4: @@Kalipso@@ $145.05 USD Seat 5: keanen $68.00 USD Seat 6: zetero $173.25 USD Osprey7 posts small blind [$0.50 USD]. @@Kalipso@@ posts big blind [$1.00 USD]. Holecards Dealt to zetero [ ] ** Dealing down cards ** keanen folds zetero raises [$3.50 USD] AdeisitA raises [$12.00 USD] JLLP folds Osprey7 folds @@Kalipso@@ folds zetero calls [$8.50 USD] Flop (Pot : $25.50)     zetero checks AdeisitA bets [$18.00 USD] zetero folds zetero shows , ] AdeisitA wins $18.00 USD AdeisitA shows , ] AdeisitA wins $24.25 USD from main pot good disciplined fold, rarely are ahead against that type of flop size bet on that board texture, he's only repping JJ+ and sometimes AJ/KJ, which would fold to a raise making it -EV. Obv if you are results oriented its a bad fold but honestly it's like 80%+ JJ+ and you get stacked everytime you raise vs those.

you best be joking

HE HAS 23HH

On March 12 2010 23:04 animaniacs wrote: Show nested quote + On March 11 2010 14:48 Bejamin1 wrote:   On March 09 2010 19:57 animaniacs wrote:   On March 09 2010 16:31 Bejamin1 wrote:   On March 07 2010 21:14 animaniacs wrote:   On March 07 2010 20:55 Fayth wrote: just like locoo said, It's pointless, seriously, no offense buddy but drop the case this is stupid but yeah, i'm done with this now because it's not going anywhere. i just think the people who came in trolling need to realize that if it's not interesting to them the correct thing to do is ignore it and go on to another thread, and if nobody is interested it will die a natural death, instead of being like "zomg tihs shits retaaardeddd LOL". peace Anyone else notice how this insecure little egomaniac is so afraid of the possibility that he may have asked a dumb question that he has to attack everyone else in the thread and invent some sort of alternate reality where what he said was actually intelligent? I honestly think at this point the guy has to be leveling. Probably just some 2p2 knob making a stupid thread to make fun of how LP abuses stupid posters lol. i think you're looking for the "question for microstakes plo regs" thread man, sorry if my title confused you. I'm a long-time poster who plays low-stakes casually for extra money because I don't enjoy the game much. I make no secret of that. If you check my PTR you'll see quite plainly that I'm a winning player who rarely plays. You might think you're insulting me but I'm completely comfortable with the stakes I play and I'm not ashamed of the fact that I play them. Unlike you I'm not an insecure little girl. Every reply you post in this thread just shows how much you care about what random people on the internet think of you. The fact that we all think you're an idiot is eating you up inside. The fact that you can't even handle basic criticism aimed not even at you personally but at the question you asked just proves how weak you are. You've done nothing but insult everyone who has disagreed with you and given you good advice in this thread. The only thing I feel towards you is pity man. You must be one hell of a weak, insecure, and pathetic individual if you can't even handle a question of yours being called stupid on the internet. God forbid you ever have to go outside and deal with real life and people. Good luck because you are totally fucked. I bet even your own mother thinks you're an insecure defensive douche lol. what was all that for? i just thought you accidentally clicked on the wrong thread...

God, you are an annoying little wanker. Go away.

lol

ye seriously just go fuck yourself already you wont ever be sucessful in poker anyways so dont waste your time.

hahahah

On March 11 2010 03:46 anarki wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2010 13:55 TalentedTom wrote: 100nl reg Submitted by : zaephyr ***** Hand History for Game 5637149987 ***** Everest $100.00 USD NL Texas Holdem - Wednesday, March 10, 07:36:19 ET 2010 Table Lulusar19 Real Money Seat 2 is the button Seat 1: AdeisitA $102.90 USD Seat 2: JLLP $105.75 USD Seat 3: Osprey7 $20.80 USD Seat 4: @@Kalipso@@ $145.05 USD Seat 5: keanen $68.00 USD Seat 6: zetero $173.25 USD Osprey7 posts small blind [$0.50 USD]. @@Kalipso@@ posts big blind [$1.00 USD]. Holecards Dealt to zetero [ ] ** Dealing down cards ** keanen folds zetero raises [$3.50 USD] AdeisitA raises [$12.00 USD] JLLP folds Osprey7 folds @@Kalipso@@ folds zetero calls [$8.50 USD] Flop (Pot : $25.50)     zetero checks AdeisitA bets [$18.00 USD] zetero folds zetero shows , ] AdeisitA wins $18.00 USD AdeisitA shows , ] AdeisitA wins $24.25 USD from main pot http://pokertube.com/Movies.aspx?movi...mp;KeyID=1&title=WPT_S07_Ep13_4_4 skip to 3:30 lol sorry Frinkx

omfg

On March 06 2010 16:37 nolan wrote: 400nl+ people think less about dumb shit like this 100nl people love thinking about stuff like this.

It's funny because it's true.

cant believe all this time I never even bothered opening this thread
THIS IS GOLD!

did FrinkX win that?

This thread just won't die...

On March 06 2010 10:53 animaniacs wrote: if you were to quantify the difference between, say, a 100nl reg and a 400/600nl reg, how would you break it down in terms of: 1. better fundamental understanding of the game 2. ability to make better reads 3. self-control/discipline %-wise, i.e. 1. 20% 2. 50% 3. 30% (or whatever)

hi nadeem!

On March 14 2010 03:10 gawdawaful wrote: did FrinkX win that?

no

This thread is way past its bantime ...

i think once he figures this out hell go straight to 400

On March 06 2010 10:53 animaniacs wrote: if you were to quantify the difference between, say, a 100nl reg and a 400/600nl reg, how would you break it down in terms of: 1. better fundamental understanding of the game 2. ability to make better reads 3. self-control/discipline ->Corollary 3a. ability to not go MIA for 6 months at a time when downswinging %-wise, i.e. 1. 20% 2. 50% 3. 30% (or whatever)

1. not that important
2. not that important
3. a bit important
3a. very important

On March 15 2010 10:01 PoorUser wrote: Show nested quote + On March 06 2010 10:53 animaniacs wrote: if you were to quantify the difference between, say, a 100nl reg and a 400/600nl reg, how would you break it down in terms of: 1. better fundamental understanding of the game 2. ability to make better reads 3. self-control/discipline ->Corollary 3a. ability to not go MIA for 6 months at a time when downswinging %-wise, i.e. 1. 20% 2. 50% 3. 30% (or whatever) 1. not that important 2. not that important 3. a bit important 3a. very important

good 2 kno

On March 06 2010 16:37 nolan wrote: 400nl+ people think less about dumb shit like this 100nl people love thinking about stuff like this.

This. I used to think about this shit a lot. Then I started winning and stopped.