10/20 Commerce vs the young and brainless

Villan in this hand is pretty bad younger guy. Clearly has played way too much online poker and is attempting to monster the table in a very passive fashion. It's kinda funny. Previous hand he's played: He raises then calls a 3bet, flops a flush draw on a Q-9-5 board and check-calls. Turn comes a T and he check-calls a pot size bet of $1200 w/ $1000 behind. Binks the Jc on river and shoves and gets the guy to fold a set. On another hand he tries to bluff the maniac at our table on a K-Q-9 board by raising flop cbet, barreling turn 8, and shoving river Ace but gets snapped off by AQ. There were other spots where he leveled himself into making some bad river calls as well. After a couple of those hands he seemed to have realized he was being retarded and has tightened up considerably over the past 2 hours.

Stacks:
Young kid has ~$5k
I cover

Folded to me in CO, I raise to $60 w , button calls and young guy calls in the SB. BB folds.

Flop comes

Young kid checks to me, I bet $120, Button folds, and young kid calls pretty quick.

Turn comes

Young kid checks, I bet $320, young kid check-raises to $1000 total. I call.

River

Young kid leads river for $1600.

idk what id do johnny...but im REALLY curious to know what he had after u called him.

On February 10 2010 16:43 JSquids wrote: idk what id do johnny...but im REALLY curious to know what he had after u called him.

lol die

nono i dont mean that as a flame. my names johnny also, i wouldnt do that to you. but i have a hunch u called down =)

did he show 78 ???

cooler!

shove and make him fold 78 !!

Fold cuz villain's better than you

when you have 3 options and two of them are CLEARLY worse than the 3rd...

....you shoot him in the face?

call and be happy. then continue to next hand

Whats this topic really about?

You already made ur decision on turn anyways.

On February 11 2010 04:34 Joe wrote: Whats this topic really about? You already made ur decision on turn anyways.

orly?

Did you happen to take a picture of this young & brainless spaz? Because you may have found my long lost twin

turn the 4h into the 6c with your "Change a Card" power-card

hand plays itself

On February 11 2010 16:13 gawdawaful wrote: Did you happen to take a picture of this young & brainless spaz? Because you may have found my long lost twin

if it was a 2/5 game hed be taking a picture of me. most def

Guy had 87. I obv tank river for a little bit then call. At the time, I felt like he wasn't bluffing the river but he could have had weaker 6X hands but now thinking back on it I feel like many of his 6X combos play differently. Told the hand to retarded UB regs who were being result oriented fish saying "I think I fold the river" zZz so wanted to get a second opinion.

jiust shove and rep a boat

Cool thread bro

lol cosmo u're hopeless xD

On February 11 2010 12:26 RaSZi wrote: Show nested quote + On February 11 2010 04:34 Joe wrote: Whats this topic really about? You already made ur decision on turn anyways. yeah he tricked us into calling with the nuts, can't fold the nuts now. Turn obligates us.

it's pretty much the bottom of our nuts range tho, meaning most nuts beats our nuts....

tough decision with the nuts, might be a fold

These UB regs suck and are making me believe retarded things

well its rather close, but i dont see any problem with saying fuck it and calling with a hand as strong as A6 which is the nut trips and also has a blocker to some mosters because really we should be calling down with our non nut hands sometimes game theory wise and i think a good randomizer for that is to just call with the top of our difficult decision range.

I kinda like checking the turn..dont explode yet though ;O Checking turn hinges on him not balancing his 6x and raising with it on flop while calling draws / PP / 9x. Turn - his range is weak , if you bet your range is too strong for him, + you are somewhat afraid of just 78 / 99 / TT which isnt much but its really the only hands he C/R on turn assuming he raises 6x on flop. So lets say we check turn , now we just look like a c-bet ---> given up and he will either bluffcatch or bet river with like everything.

-Minsk

On February 16 2010 16:15 Minsk wrote: I kinda like checking the turn..dont explode yet though ;O Checking turn hinges on him not balancing his 6x and raising with it on flop while calling draws / PP / 9x. Turn - his range is weak , if you bet your range is too strong for him, + you are somewhat afraid of just 78 / 99 / TT which isnt much but its really the only hands he C/R on turn assuming he raises 6x on flop. So lets say we check turn , now we just look like a c-bet ---> given up and he will either bluffcatch or bet river with like everything. -Minsk

This is a good analysis but valid only if a)his range is always weak on flop and b)he cannot call 3 streets with that range. Since we cannot always satisfy those 2 parameters especially if he sucks I don't think we should check turn. It's also worth noting that if he is floating the flop some of those include 10-8/10-7 gutters which will call 3 streets likely, but if he is floating a hi he may or may not fire river as a bluff.

Fair, Guess its just how you look at this player & his range. I missed the gutshots / A-hi , Think if you put those in his range then you definitely bet turn.

Also if he is floating so much that we are actually losing a ton of value by betting turn and not letting him bluff river then there is a huge huge range that we can bluffcatch with on the river that doesn't need to include a6

If checking turn im raising most rivers if he happens to bet, most of the time he will just C/C because our line makes no sense

Raise/call or raise fold? Instead of taking such a weird line where if u get shoved on on the river u have no idea what to do I'd rather bet 3 times

yeah thats why betting 3 times is standard ;P If you check turn there i would bet / fold and be happy about it( What is he really B3B on River? I would put his B3B River Range on like 99 , 6T , Missed Gutshot about 1 in 75 times [from description] )

The whole idea isnt to make your decision easier but rather to extract more value because his turn range seems very polarized [hands that cant call / hands that beat you ]. All Hinges on what he does with 6x