what's you line 25.50

Submitted by : locoo

GAME #2067683792: Texas Holdem NL $25/$50 2010-01-15 23:43:34
Table Relizane No DP
Seat 1: Leifarne19 $3,123.00 in chips
Seat 4: wickednumbers444 $3,876.00 in chips
Seat 5: vedevas $1,000.00 in chips
Seat 6: hanski219 $860.00 in chips DEALER
Seat 7: chartopaizo $4,975.00 in chips
Seat 10: Hero $5,000.00 in chips
chartopaizo: Post SB $25.00
Hero: Post BB $50.00

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
Leifarne19: Fold
wickednumbers444: Fold
vedevas: Raise NF $100.00
hanski219: Fold
chartopaizo: Raise NF $350.00
Hero: Raise NF $650.00
vedevas: Fold
chartopaizo: Call $300.00

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $1,400.00)

   
chartopaizo: Check

I dunno why you cold 4bet in the first place if a) you're not even getting it in pre and b) you have 0 clue what to do in this spot.

If I had cold 4bet in this spot I would bet and get it in here and be elated about it.

if I just called pre I still would have no clue what to do, esp if high cards come etc, i was very confused in this hand mainly because i didn't know what his range to call a cold 4bet from a total unknown oop, i would think its AK,QQ,JJ,TT mostly, cuz AA/KK most likely just 4 bet pre?

well ur logic does not merit ur play still. u just changed the scenario around to a different one where you dont know what to do either but now ur in a bigger pot.

i agree with midian "IF" i thought cold 4bet was the play preflop, my play here would be bet and get da monies in da p0ts.

i would likely flatcall here, depending on the players. ur flatcall looks real strong so we have a bit of room to maneuver and i feel people actually play REALLY honest in these spots. pretty cool to call here with other stuff sometimes to mix it up pretty good. hey man YOU GOt da positions amiright?!

Im curios to why you think he would iso and commit himself vs the shortie with 89s and random suited gappers. Anyway I think his range here is mainly stuff like ATs-AQ,77-TT so you have what appears to be the nuts, so Id just bet and get the money in.

On January 16 2010 06:36 EvilSky wrote: Im curios to why you think he would iso and commit himself vs the shortie with 89s and random suited gappers. Anyway I think his range here is mainly stuff like ATs-AQ,77-TT so you have what appears to be the nuts, so Id just bet and get the money in.

cuz that's what i do vs loose shorties, which most are at high stakes and i think it's quite profitable,

anyway i think i played this hand really poorly, so far just calling pre does seem better to play straightforward poker and that's what i wanted to do at least going in almost basically readless

so, i didn't feel comfortable stacking off on the flop that's why i decided to check

Submitted by : locoo

GAME #2067683792: Texas Holdem NL $25/$50 2010-01-15 23:43:34
Table Relizane No DP
Seat 1: Leifarne19 $3,123.00 in chips
Seat 4: wickednumbers444 $3,876.00 in chips
Seat 5: vedevas $1,000.00 in chips
Seat 6: hanski219 $860.00 in chips DEALER
Seat 7: chartopaizo $4,975.00 in chips
Seat 10: Hero $5,000.00 in chips
chartopaizo: Post SB $25.00
Hero: Post BB $50.00

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
Leifarne19: Fold
wickednumbers444: Fold
vedevas: Raise NF $100.00
hanski219: Fold
chartopaizo: Raise NF $350.00
Hero: Raise NF $650.00
vedevas: Fold
chartopaizo: Call $300.00

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $1,400.00)

   
chartopaizo: Check
Hero: Check

Turn (Pot : $1,400.00)

   
chartopaizo: Bet $900.00
Hero: Call $900.00

River (Pot : $3,200.00)

   
chartopaizo: Check

a6dd!

if villain is trickyish, I would check back, you really only can get value from 99/TT.....

river valuebet could be incredible with good history like when he really needs to look you up and also when if he loses especially to JJ it would lifetilt him, otherwise its meh

why the small 4bet? villain is getting odds to call with just about anything.

i definitely like a flop bet, but as played i pussy out and check back river pretty often. first hand, good reg at 25/50, straight board.. yeah, i dont know how often we can vbet and hope to get called by worse. but if you have balls and decide to bet, maybe around $1800 would be good.

i had a plan on a good flop, check

anyway im a bit surprised by river comments, i thought this was a very clear bet, and i put him on AK/AQ only, because i would think 99/TT is valuebetting a lot of the time or possibly blockbetting pretty small

I did bet 1650$ on the river he snapped with 99, i think i lost value cuz he would've snapped a bigger bet like 2500$ for sure and 88 and TT probably plays the same way for him

what i didn't realize was that people tend to overvalue their odds, even oop, I don't think he can call there with very much hands because he is facing tough decisions vs a pretty strong range of mine, unless he was just calling to flop a set or something, even then ended up losing a bit pot

eres naranjito? (en bw)

yes he is naranjito

I think it's pretty dumb to put him on AK/AQ only.... he's prob 5betting AK lol

and I wouldn't except any sane player to actually call a bet with AQ there -.-

i agree, but i realized my hand is also very deceptive (i was snap calling a shove) and it would be pretty hard for him to put me on a hand, and players do retarded shit when they can't put you on a hand... kinda like what i did on the flop

call or 4bet bigger pf. you cannot size your 4bet like this especially if you don't have history with the villain.

now that i know people like to call with such weak hands because they are getting "odds" oop isn't it better to make the 4bet small to keep them in? even if i don't know the villain, in future hands i would for sure bet get it in on flop

i mean it's not like I was afraid to play a pot , especially IP, a bigger 4b may have gotten rid of his 99

Your plan on a good flop was to check because... ¿?

cuz i perceived wrongly that his range was very strong, and I didn't wanna bet/get it in on flop cuz i was either beat or against a coinflip, so there was no point in betting if i was gonna fold to a raise, same way it was very hard for me to get 3 streets of value from something worse

On January 21 2010 08:19 locoo wrote: now that i know people like to call with such weak hands because they are getting "odds" oop isn't it better to make the 4bet small to keep them in? even if i don't know the villain, in future hands i would for sure bet get it in on flop i mean it's not like I was afraid to play a pot , especially IP, a bigger 4b may have gotten rid of his 99

do u think u can get more value out of 99 later by flatting or 3betting 300 more?

tbh im not sure, i used to think by flatting, but now i guess 4betting it small, depends on player too

ur saying that u 4 bet small to keep his range very wide... and then ur putting him on an uber strong range on the flop? Even if i reluctantly got myself in this position I would proceed to bet-get it in on the flop without too much thought

wat? no, read again

i dont really bet-get it in without thinking too much just cuz i has an overpair

On January 22 2010 02:00 locoo wrote: wat? no, read again i dont really bet-get it in without thinking too much just cuz i has an overpair

zing? this is a 4 bet pot

i'm pretty much restating a lot of people's opinions here not to 4 bet JJ unless ur happy to get it in on literally every board u flop an overpair

also imo your estimations of his range to RR the shorty might be right, but if they're wrong... then they are no doubt too far on the loose side. Certainly some in between approximation is best

nooo i dont want this to turn into a flame war, dont temp me like that mister rasZi

On January 22 2010 02:24 Steal City wrote: Show nested quote + On January 22 2010 02:00 locoo wrote: wat? no, read again i dont really bet-get it in without thinking too much just cuz i has an overpair zing? this is a 4 bet pot i'm pretty much restating a lot of people's opinions here not to 4 bet JJ unless ur happy to get it in on literally every board u flop an overpair

yah i pretty much agreed that flatting was probably best before i got any info on him, certainly now 4betting is superior