chess genius is sick at poker - Page 3

really? shredder on a normal PC is actually better than grand masters?

On November 29 2009 06:46 Drakk wrote: a poker player that looks happy thats somewhat refreshing lol

yup!

Gee, now that i think about it, i should've just changed the title to: "kid really good at chess, now after 20 years plays poker and cashes in two ept tourneys"

yeah i think it would be more worth sharing and people would give a fuck lol

On November 30 2009 00:49 whamm! wrote: Gee, now that i think about it, i should've just changed the title to: "kid really good at chess, now after 20 years plays poker and cashes in two ept tourneys" yeah i think it would be more worth sharing and people would give a fuck lol

so u have to sensationalize something to get attention ?

On November 30 2009 00:49 whamm! wrote: Gee, now that i think about it, i should've just changed the title to: "kid really good at chess, now after 20 years plays poker and cashes in two ept tourneys" yeah i think it would be more worth sharing and people would give a fuck lol

when i first saw the 2p2 thread i read all of it and watched the video on his website. was a pretty interesting story. also cool to hear what people think about him, especially timex's opinion

LoL at shaundeeb quitting poker cuz of ppl like this guy starting to play poker. Pretty sure that's not why deeb is quitting poker o lolol

I'd really like to play vs this guy if tightening up is 20-30% of hands

Anything out there on how he got into poker and what hes doing for buyins on ept circuit, if its grinded profits or some sponsorship/backing etc?

On November 29 2009 20:53 Baal wrote: really? shredder on a normal PC is actually better than grand masters?

It's complicated to answer this straight-forward.
In a close to infinite game play ("mail chess game" can last 2 or 3 months) shredder might be defeated by a human.
But in traditional tournament format, it's close to impossible for a human to win, or draw against shredder.

And shredder is not even the best chess-IA. The best from the best is Rybka, which is one step ahead shredder or chessmaster, or whatever:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rybka

Hope I answered your question !

hikaru nakamura
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/03/11/chess/index.html
i saw him playing on stars .25 .5 years ago

stupid chess players. if they were geniuses they would play poker

On November 30 2009 12:03 woodbrave1 wrote: hikaru nakamura http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/03/11/chess/index.html i saw him playing on stars .25 .5 years ago stupid chess players. if they were geniuses they would play poker

There are already plenty that made the moves.
But generally, Chess players, especially blitz-specialists, are quite nervous persons, so I would never bet
on a random chess player to be a good high-stake poker player because of tilt-issue.

whatever happened with this guy?

Dead thread resurrection!

Yeah, Hikaru sucks at poker (sorry Naka). But some lesser grandmasters like Pavel Blatny and Roland Schmaltz have made the switch to poker pro.

played with him all day 2 of the wsop ME. really nice/happy guy but didn't play very well. not a fish certainly but def not a sicko by any means

edit: i'm not giving him enough credit here. i think his attitude is great and that he's probably the kind of intensely self-aware person who has the ability to avoid forming terrible habits and really get good at poker, so i expect good things from him

he played the EPT tallin that finished today
dunno what place he finished tho

honestly its surprising that we don't see more high level chess players in poker considering how successful starcraft and magic players have been.

I guess the psychological part is not so big in chess. For example as Patrocle explained well, there are IA programs now unbeatable but we are far to have those in poker.
And in starcraft, you have to adapt so much to the other, something you find also in poker.
so not so surprising imo.

I had a radioshow with him while we were in Berlin, the guy talks like several languages and despite not talking it for months - he did the entire show in Dutch and was easy to understand. He's a very nice guy, always friendly and pretty good at poker I think.

Two of the guys I know who play the highest stakes at Stars weren't at all impressed by him I must say which was bit of a downer after hearing such great stories from everyone. Gotta say, these guys aren't easy to impress but they said he had some real big leaks to solve before becoming really superb.

@kingpowa: That is not correct, there are no unbeatable chess computers. But still, there is a reason computers play chess and Scrabble much better than they do poker or bridge: computers do not have a "theory of mind", i.e. a concept of how human opponents think which lets one develop strategies that exploit those quirks. There is also the fact that card games involve incomplete information, which means it takes more computing power to make the calculations, although I think this is a lesser concern: computers can still do a math problem involving ranges (and there are computers which play short stack NL exceptionally well).

@NMcNasty: I think it's because the kind of analysis required for poker requires some personal skills, which chess doesn't really develop. Because the board and chess pieces are an abstraction, you can ignore your opponent, and probably should, in order to focus. So being socially clueless is of no disadvantage in a chess game. In poker, the typical Aspie type who has chess skills has to develop that theory of mind, as ignoring your opponent is generally disastrous.

On August 16 2010 15:11 kingpowa wrote: I guess the psychological part is not so big in chess. For example as Patrocle explained well, there are IA programs now unbeatable but we are far to have those in poker. And in starcraft, you have to adapt so much to the other, something you find also in poker. so not so surprising imo.

Psychological part is huge in chess and that is one of the biggest problems for a GM when facing a strong computer, or was when those matches made sense and were held.