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[ ] Chess genius

(he doesn't even have a chess rating ...)
http://ratings.fide.com/seek.phtml?idcode=&name=sarwer&offset=0

On November 29 2009 14:44 Patrocle wrote: [ ] Chess genius (he doesn't even have a chess rating ...) http://ratings.fide.com/seek.phtml?idcode=&name=sarwer&offset=0

apparently he entered an 86 man tourney this year or last year with very little study or play since his childhood that had 4 grandmasters and he got 3rd, i think they gave him a provisional rating of 2300 fide but he plays at a higher level than that. it seems like he has a natural gift for the game although he never put in the time to be 2500+

fuck this guy imo :D

he seemed cool enough in the interview

On November 29 2009 14:56 Daut wrote: Show nested quote + On November 29 2009 14:44 Patrocle wrote: [ ] Chess genius (he doesn't even have a chess rating ...) http://ratings.fide.com/seek.phtml?idcode=&name=sarwer&offset=0 apparently he entered an 86 man tourney this year or last year with very little study or play since his childhood that had 4 grandmasters and he got 3rd, i think they gave him a provisional rating of 2300 fide but he plays at a higher level than that. it seems like he has a natural gift for the game although he never put in the time to be 2500+

definitely cheating if he went from 0 to 2500 without any games before.
We had the same case in France, some no-name made a tremendous perf. at a tourney and was suspected of using shredder.
As there were no evidences collected during the tournament the guy was awarded the title, but all the grandmasters who reviewed his games are 155% sure he used shredder, as the lines he used were exactly those shredder used, which is absolutely impossible.

Read some material about him.
He was a child prodigy and had very great results at young age.
But the scenario where he has little to no clue at chess and then make the 3rd place of a tournament coming from nowhere is not possible without cheating in Chess

how do you cheat at chess? Pay people to lose to you?

just read the book of Malcolm Gladwell - Outliers
and it talks about winners of high performance, and EVERYONE like Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, Usain Bolt, that are legends in theirs sports, they had to train REALLY fucking hard to get to the top
so, even if the kid has talent, it's pretty stupid to say that in 6 months he will be near the top even if he works harder than everyone

what's shredder?

On November 29 2009 16:38 Xervean wrote: how do you cheat at chess? Pay people to lose to you?

No you use a chess calculator.
Even an iPod with shredder on it -it is a famous open-source chess-IA designed by an IM - can defeat anybody.

Edit : IM = International Master

the tourney he won was live.. I mean I guess he could use an ipod but seems very unlikely and kinda ridiculous to assume someone wouldnt see that..

Seems like a nice guy, it's a shame he "Doesn't like internet poker".

On November 29 2009 19:16 Xervean wrote: the tourney he won was live.. I mean I guess he could use an ipod but seems very unlikely and kinda ridiculous to assume someone wouldnt see that..

Actually, in France we had this problem at the Paris Open...
The guy was actually using a camera to give inputs, or using someone in the audience, and had earphones to
get the appropriate results.
Referees in Chess sucks big time, and didn't even consider shakedowning him.
With modern chess-programme, very small devices and some IT-cleverness, you can make
an astonishing chess-champion.
In long games, you can even use your device in the toilets ...

interesting stuff on chess cheating lol

yeah i thought chess players were really honorable extremely intelligent players, fucking scumbags lol

so lets recap:
[] chess genius
[] sick at poker

i have played in a chess tournament before and there are tons of people standing over your shoulders watching and stuff. just seems like it would be hard to get away with

In long games, you can even use your device in the toilets ...

Topalov v Kramnik reference ;o?

yep the toilet idea explains it all i guess... i missed that comment. cheating could def be done that way

On November 29 2009 20:12 TianYuan wrote: Show nested quote + In long games, you can even use your device in the toilets ... Topalov v Kramnik reference ;o?

Yeap, even if in this case it's not sure Kramnik was going to the toilets for this reason.
In the Paris Open, the guy had a mate with the computer, and was giving him the moves.
We are still unsure, cause the last day this "winner" smash his electronic device, which was
hidden in his jacket during the whole tournament, throwing it to the rails of the paris subway.
The evidences were then destroyed and we could not prove how he did the cheating.
But let me be clear: if you have 100% accurency with shredder, you are not playing 2500, no, you
are playing 3000, meaning you are even better than Bobby Fischer, Gary Kasparov, and not by
a small margin...