2-4 deep @ stars

Villain plays weird post flop but I havn't seen him go out of line preflop. His Stats are 24-17 3bet 8%. I have been super tight with my 3bets today for some reason i got 5% 3bets only.

Submitted by : GiYoM

PokerStars Game #35165218577: Holdem No Limit ($2/$4 USD) - 2009/11/10 9:36:37 ET
Table Dorado 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Alpha 5.20 ($406 in chips)
Seat 2: hook2120 ($949.70 in chips)
Seat 3: PlzpaymyBill ($492 in chips)
Seat 4: TheGrrrr... ($1155.50 in chips)
Seat 5: homiesaces85 ($400 in chips)
Seat 6: MuckeDBoY ($664 in chips)
TheGrrrr...: posts small blind $2
homiesaces85: posts big blind $4

Holecards
Dealt to TheGrrrr...
MuckeDBoY: folds
Alpha 5.20: folds
hook2120: raises $8 to $12
PlzpaymyBill: folds
TheGrrrr...: raises $28 to $40
homiesaces85: folds
hook2120: raises $60 to $100
TheGrrrr...: raises $152 to $252
hook2120: calls $152

Flop (Pot : $508.00)

   
TheGrrrr...: bets $168
hook2120: calls $168

Turn (Pot : $844.00)

   

i dont see the question here?

What's my play. Check fold, check call or shove?

well i dont think you can bet the flop like that and then shut down, so either c/f or c/r the flop, or bet like that to shove turn

On November 10 2009 09:31 locoo wrote: well i dont think you can bet the flop like that and then shut down, so either c/f or c/r the flop, or bet like that to shove turn

I dont think I can fold after betting the flop either. Is there any value in check calling to catch floats?

c/f flop and now c/f turn imo he is not folding + he has monster

hook is a huge monkey and i doubt he's ever folding anything here to any more action, not to mention he likely has an overpair anyway. maybe you have a different read but i really dont think he wants to be bluffed ever.

hook involved = probably not folding

104 on flop 182 on turn allin river

but just flat preflop this deep oop esp vs someone who is a monkey and gonna donate a lot of BBs anyway when you just flat and hit your hand

i like myths line
As played I should have shoved turn.

I ended up check calling allin, hoping to catch some floats, but he shoved me AK. I'm not 100% he would have folded to a turn shove.

I'm never folding this hand after putting 250$ preflop so I think its the worse option.

Preflop isn't great. Are you really stacking off with AK for 250 bbs here? On the turn, its hard to put him on anything other than a made hand, 88+, and by shoving, you will lay him almost 3-1. I guess check fold the turn even though that sounds gross to me.

On November 10 2009 23:22 GiYoM wrote: i like myths line As played I should have shoved turn. I ended up check calling allin, hoping to catch some floats, but he shoved me AK. I'm not 100% he would have folded to a turn shove. I'm never folding this hand after putting 250$ preflop so I think its the worse option.

how can you like myths line? at least when u shove turn a lot of times you have 6 outs plus fold equity, if you bet flop, then turn, if called on turn on almost any river you have 0% fold equity, no outs and are shoving to lose almost 100% of the time

i think myths line is very intresting

i dont have too much to say tho cuz i dont have too much experience with deep dynamics in 6max games.

i would like to hear more about the logic behind myths line to see if i fully comprehend it and also see other peoples perspectives. Sounds very interesting to me

On November 11 2009 01:03 Clutch wrote: Preflop isn't great. Are you really stacking off with AK for 250 bbs here? On the turn, its hard to put him on anything other than a made hand, 88+, and by shoving, you will lay him almost 3-1. I guess check fold the turn even though that sounds gross to me.

yes im stacking off with AK for 250bbs

On November 11 2009 01:13 locoo wrote: Show nested quote + On November 10 2009 23:22 GiYoM wrote: i like myths line As played I should have shoved turn. I ended up check calling allin, hoping to catch some floats, but he shoved me AK. I'm not 100% he would have folded to a turn shove. I'm never folding this hand after putting 250$ preflop so I think its the worse option. how can you like myths line? at least when u shove turn a lot of times you have 6 outs plus fold equity, if you bet flop, then turn, if called on turn on almost any river you have 0% fold equity, no outs and are shoving to lose almost 100% of the time

It's not true that you have 0% fold equity if I take myth's line. You always have some equity. And i think myth's line works good vs the range I'm hoping villain has since I've already made up my mind that I wasn't folding.

lol @ people claiming that my line has zero FE when they've never taken my line

just try it, srsly

Have to admit i haven't tried it much myself, but when fish have tried that kind of bluff against me I just say fuck it and call cuz of pot odds.

I mean if he has a pair or something like 9T the pot is already 1080 and he has 407 left, you bet 407 pot is now 1487 and he has to call 407, i dont think anyone that gets to the river fold for that.

Btw im bad at math so may have made a mistake, bottom line is that I think Myths line it's better to get turn folds, which just might not get much cuz of the small bets, but at river you are doomed imo

I dont like Myths line either. If hook call with 77 99 preflop I think best chance for us to get him to fold is getting in a big bet somewhere, flop or turn...

But maybe we can give up this one after he calls preflop, since he doesnt fold much post, if our image isnt tight...We are putting in alot of money after he is telling us he likes his hand.

yea i prefer flatting the 4b to 5betting here vs hook - i'd just c/f flop sometimes when he calls ur 5b, i also wouldn't 5b so big, and sometimes postflop take myths line sometimes fire flop and turn allin

By betting small flop&turn you leave a big bet on the river. I like that line a lot when I have an overpair in a big deep spot where I want to get it in. People always call the flop & turn bets to fold to river bet with weakish hands though.

100% agree w/ myths line, i take it very often, has maximum FE. Much more than betting big on flop and shoving turn. When you bet big on flop you increase your flop fold equity, but it also increases the % of time you are called on the turn since your opponent's turn range will generally be stronger due to your large flop bet.

hey cool corwin u got a supporter

looooooooooooooool

c/f flop

On November 27 2009 04:38 n0rthf4ce wrote: c/f flop

says the guy who shoves over a donk overbet 4 buyins with T8 on Q9x!!

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