NL1000 HU hand

Villain is very competent and aggressive. He plays a strange HU style opening close to 100% buttons and cbets 75% of the time. He 3bets ~20% of hands and also calls around 20% 3bets.

I won quite a bit of money against him in the past, mostly running quite good but him spewing a bit also. This session so far not much has happened, I won a couple of small pots and a decent 3bet pot iirc and then this hand came...

What is your opinion on checking the turn? Do we prefer a bet/fold? I felt like he could be floating me quite a bit here since it's such a dry board and I cbet a lot in 3bet pots and he knows that. Any input appreciated.

Submitted by : Loco

***** Cassava Hand History for Game 248950539 *****
$5/$10 Blinds No Limit Holdem - *** 25 10 2009 04:49:01
Table Ratisbon Real Money
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 7: Hero $1,575
Seat 8: dobo8441 $1,049
dobo8441 posts small blind [$5]
Hero posts big blind [$10]

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [ ]
dobo8441 raises [$25]
Hero raises [$90]
dobo8441 calls [$70]
** Dealing flop ** [, ]
Hero bets [$130]
dobo8441 calls [$130]
** Dealing turn ** ]
Hero checks
dobo8441 bets [$255]
Hero

Calling twice with the information you've given sounds alright. I don't think I like the idea of folding very much anywhere in this hand.

I think a bet is better, since this is pretty much a card you follow thru on 100% with turned gutters, fds and repping the Q. Check call sorta turns our hand face up so depending on what he would think you would do on the river with Jx calling a shove may or may not be good.

On October 25 2009 07:05 Twisted wrote: Calling twice with the information you've given sounds alright. I don't think I like the idea of folding very much anywhere in this hand.

agreed

i would for sure bet turn as well for reasons evilsky already said

Vs some aggro people I bet/call and vs some I c/c twice. However, if he folds 80% to 3bets he has a much tighter range then most aggrotards. Still couldn't fold though. It's like QJs, JJ+ and some floats that beats you,

Does anyone like a c/shove as played? We rep a draw pretty well and he could call us light, also shuts down possible draws he could have.

On October 25 2009 18:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Does anyone like a c/shove as played? We rep a draw pretty well and he could call us light, also shuts down possible draws he could have.

That's just the "easy way out" I feel. Don't think it's the optimal way to go really.

On October 25 2009 18:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Does anyone like a c/shove as played? We rep a draw pretty well and he could call us light, also shuts down possible draws he could have.

This is what I actually did just because I didn't have enough time to think about it. I definitely think it is the worst option out of them all.

It mostly depends on your history with him in 3bet pots. If you 3bet him a lot as you should if he folds 80% of the time (btw lol at that), then I would guess he doesnt like to give up to just one cbet most of the time, in which case you need to double barell cbet quite frequently too and in that case this should be a value bet on the turn in my opinion. If there is not enough such history or if you dont double barell 3bet pots much, then I preffer check/calling turn and making a decision on the river in case he bets big. In case he bets the turn with a J or a pocket pair, he will often check behind blank river, so I would expect him to bet the river only with KQ+ or bluff. You need quite a lot of info to make a good decision there, I would probably just go by feel in that river spot.

On October 25 2009 18:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Does anyone like a c/shove as played? We rep a draw pretty well and he could call us light, also shuts down possible draws he could have.

i dont really like that

kinda seems like you're almost being a little results oriented about taking that line just because you can see that he did actually bet turn

How much he 4bets?

I just don't like a flat since it defines our hand so much, and I don't think we can fold after 3betting him so much (I assume) that a shove would be the only way to disguise our hand a little at this point. I'm comparing c/s to c/c here.

Leading turn is probably better though I'm not completely convinced.

nvrm

Folding is pretty bad at any point imo, as is check-shoving.

I like betting again. We probably stack JT/J9s if we bet TRN and RIV, whereas those hands will often choose to exercise pot control - especially on the turn - and reduce our EV.

AT might call again, and something like 77/88/99 might even call us down all the way if you're been Cbetting quite a bit.

Besides, there really aren't all that many Qx hands out there: AQ 4bets pre, KQ only occasionally floats, QJ is a big cooler.

fwiw i don't like the size of your flop bet

then again, i think you can probably get some bluffs out of Ax-type hands if you C-C twice...

On October 25 2009 22:31 Joe wrote: It mostly depends on your history with him in 3bet pots. If you 3bet him a lot as you should if he folds 80% of the time (btw lol at that), then I would guess he doesnt like to give up to just one cbet most of the time, in which case you need to double barell cbet quite frequently too and in that case this should be a value bet on the turn in my opinion. If there is not enough such history or if you dont double barell 3bet pots much, then I preffer check/calling turn and making a decision on the river in case he bets big. In case he bets the turn with a J or a pocket pair, he will often check behind blank river, so I would expect him to bet the river only with KQ+ or bluff. You need quite a lot of info to make a good decision there, I would probably just go by feel in that river spot.

sounds just about perfect to me

I like bet, bet here on a blank river.

GRUNCH:

His range v your range:
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

16,632 games 0.003 secs 5,544,000 games/sec

Board: Jh 6d 6c Qs
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 46.212% 36.90% 09.31% 6138 1548.00 { 88-77, AJs, KJs, QJs, JTs, 76s, AJo, KJo, QJo, JTo }
Hand 1: 53.788% 44.48% 09.31% 7398 1548.00 { KJo }

There are a few ATs-type hands that I've intentionally discounted because they vastly complicate things. Suffice to say, if he's the type to call down with all of the above hands (88+) on a J66-Q-5 or even a J66-Q-K board then betting turn and pushing river is obviously optimal.

On the other hand, if you don't think that's the case, then checking and then re-considering might be better. Particularly if he's the type to float T9s on the flop and barrel away when checked to.

Loco Canada. Oct 25 2009

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Damn I was all excited there was some new hand in the HS section

Anyways I still maintain its a bet.

LOL! He has 9 posts and 2 of them are rebumping this thread, epic

On January 19 2011 02:29 EvilSky wrote: Damn I was all excited there was some new hand in the HS section Anyways I still maintain its a bet.

bet -> bet
once u check -> c/c

lol WTF @ seeing my name when i clicked on this...

strangest bump ever.