UFC 100 - Page 2

On July 01 2009 17:17 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2009 15:25 Stim_Abuser wrote:   On July 01 2009 13:26 TalentedTom wrote: christ machida is -500 to rape Rua. Is there any fighter at LHW that machia isn't be an enormous favorate over? It's dynasty time IMO bet the house on shogun son. macheetah is going down. he has to get hit before that happens, which is unlikley

he hasnt fought any decent strikers beyond sam greco which is a fight i heard machida shoulda lost and rich.

LYOTOS GOING DOWN!

for people who havnt bet yet in a recent interview apparently bonnar said everyone at extreme couture is saying colemans cardio is actually looking really good.

On July 02 2009 15:20 Stim_Abuser wrote: for people who havnt bet yet in a recent interview apparently bonnar said everyone at extreme couture is saying colemans cardio is actually looking really good.

lol nice one

On July 01 2009 13:19 Daut wrote: unrelated but theres a rumor going around kimbo lost his first fight in tuf 10 house lmao

Bet Dana White is spreading that rumour around to boost ratings even more.

On July 02 2009 15:20 Stim_Abuser wrote: for people who havnt bet yet in a recent interview apparently bonnar said everyone at extreme couture is saying colemans cardio is actually looking really good.

what do you want them to say... that he runs out of gas in 1 minute?

On July 02 2009 20:13 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On July 02 2009 15:20 Stim_Abuser wrote: for people who havnt bet yet in a recent interview apparently bonnar said everyone at extreme couture is saying colemans cardio is actually looking really good. what do you want them to say... that he runs out of gas in 1 minute?

bonnar and coleman train at the same gym. this isnt like a public quote. its other people at the gym telling bonnar colemans completely changed his game up and is a cardio monster. could just be a motivator thing but i dunno i wouldnt sleep on coleman here.

bonnar will not lose here. coleman has never improved himself over the years unlike randy. he's old and unimproved.

his only shot is that bonnar cannot do anything standing or on the ground and coleman lnp him for 3 rounds. (he won't tko bonnar)

On July 01 2009 19:04 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2009 17:17 TalentedTom wrote:   On July 01 2009 15:25 Stim_Abuser wrote:   On July 01 2009 13:26 TalentedTom wrote: christ machida is -500 to rape Rua. Is there any fighter at LHW that machia isn't be an enormous favorate over? It's dynasty time IMO bet the house on shogun son. macheetah is going down. he has to get hit before that happens, which is unlikley he hasnt fought any decent strikers beyond sam greco which is a fight i heard machida shoulda lost and rich. LYOTOS GOING DOWN!

so because of this you should be dropping about 5k on shogun? i mean if it's so obvious in your mind? shogun is a huge dog on betting lines.

On July 03 2009 11:51 Fox wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2009 19:04 Stim_Abuser wrote:   On July 01 2009 17:17 TalentedTom wrote:   On July 01 2009 15:25 Stim_Abuser wrote:   On July 01 2009 13:26 TalentedTom wrote: christ machida is -500 to rape Rua. Is there any fighter at LHW that machia isn't be an enormous favorate over? It's dynasty time IMO bet the house on shogun son. macheetah is going down. he has to get hit before that happens, which is unlikley he hasnt fought any decent strikers beyond sam greco which is a fight i heard machida shoulda lost and rich. LYOTOS GOING DOWN! so because of this you should be dropping about 5k on shogun? i mean if it's so obvious in your mind? shogun is a huge dog on betting lines.

maybe 1k ;]

really really excited about this event, there's 8 fights i really want to watch

mir vs lesnar:

i know this isn't really on par (in terms of fighter skill) as pretty much any other title fight but there's just a really awesome feel to this fight, i think either guy could end up being an amazing champion and go on a huge run which i think is why im looking forward to it so much. as for the fight itself lesnar should be able to decide where he wants to fight which is, as always, a huge advantage. so even though i think mir is far more skilled, i give an edge to lesnar...if mir can control the standup and hurt brock though he'll win. another big question is cardio if it happens to hit 3rd round or further.

alves vs gsp:

god this is a dream fight. this is the first time gsp won't have an obvious size/strength advantage, he's still the more athletic of the two but he shouldn't be able to muscle alves around the cage like he has before. despite alves being bigger i think gsp still gets a good number of takedowns but i also think he's going to have to engage alves a lot standing so it'll be interesting to see how gsp handles the leg kicks. for gsp, when standing he needs to stay aggressive and stalk alves not letting him throw a lot of jab/kick combos as well as look for the td as much as he can. for alves, he needs to really work his jab to keep gsp at distance so he can defend the shot as much as possible but he also can't be afraid to throw leg kicks either since in a strictly boxing match he probably doesn't have very much of an advantage. if he can wear gsp out he can look to finish later on. edge to gsp obviously but maybe not as much as other people seem to give.

bisping vs hendo:

this fight should do a really nice job figuring out where both these guys stand at 185, whomever wins should be a fight from #1 contender (or #1 contender already) and the loser needs to work to bring himself back up into contention depending on how the fight goes. bisping is reasonably well rounded and athletic but hendo throws bombs and has an obvious advantage in the clinch and the ground. for bisping, obviously he's going to need to keep as much distance as possible from hendo and avoid the clinch like the plague, if he can get in some clean combos and get out before hendo is able to land a right hand he should be able to do well...also probably a good idea to go after the body somewhat since hendo does have conditioning problems every now and then. hendo has a ton of options really, if he can stay aggressive walking forward and suck bisping into a brawl i expect him to win, he can also just clinch up and drop bisping on his head at will and grind out a decision. i give a significant advantage to hendo though probably not enough to cover the -220 he's getting on pinnacle.

jon fitch vs paulo thiago

depending on what happens in the gsp vs alves fight, fitch might still be the 2nd best ww in the world right now so i really love the fact that he's being put on the main card of ufc 100 and he's fighting a guy with a lot of hype that he should crush. the really cool thing about this fight for thiago is it's really a win win situation for him, he's young and still more of a prospect than anything else and this fight is going to give him a ton of experience without hurting his career and obviously if he wins it's gonna immediately propel him to a championship fight. as for the fight, fitch should dominate pretty much everywhere. koscheck was pretty much teeing off on thiago until he got caught so fitch should be able to do the same and thiago won't be getting any td's at all, even on the ground fitch will be on top pounding thiago out and thiago has almost no chance to lock in a sub. as naz said fitch is almost completely unupsettable, he's ridiculously tough (near the same level as big nog in his prime) and has excellent all around grappling. fitch is -365 on sportsbook which, even though he's such a heavy fav, is still probably a good bet...fitch just doesn't lose unless he's outclassed :[

yoshihiro akiyama vs alan belcher

akiyama in the ufc is awesome. he's extremely talented and very athletic and has tons of charisma. im a little weary of putting him up against belcher in his first fight in the ufc since belcher is certainly not a bad fighter (and experienced in the cage which akiyama is not) but even still akiyama should win as long as he looks to get the fight on the ground. even still, belcher really doesn't have much of an advantage in standup and akiyama will be tossing him around like a rag doll in the clinch so as long as akiyama doesn't get dragged into a brawl his method of winning is pretty simple.

also really eager to see dhk fight again (hoping he can start getting back on a roll, he's very talented), jon jones fight again (this should be a very interesting fight too, both are great wrestlers with one freestyle and the other greco), and mac danzig vs jim miller (should be a very competitive fight and im looking forward to seeing how miller does).

don't really care about bonnar vs coleman but i will say that bonnars size and submission skills shouldnt be underestimated, he's huge and can definitely sub coleman in many different ways

Daut United States. Jul 01 2009 12:31. Posts 4899 basically i think if gsp beats alves, kampmann vs swick needs to happen to create the next title shot.


http://mmajunkie.com/news/15356/marti...nder-bout-at-ufc-103-in-september.mma


For those of you that think alves is bigger than gsp, well your right. gsp reportedly weighed 187lbs vs bj penn. Alves on the other hand weighed 197lbs vs koscheck. He even missed his weight cut and weighed even more vs Hughes. I'm remembering 201lbs but i'm not 100% sure on that 1.

gsp fans be reasured by the fact that his sparing partners from Greg Jackson camp (Rashad Evans, Nate Marquart and Keith Jardine) have said many times that gsp takes them down at will. This will be very interesting. warrrrrrrr gsp!!!

Sparring partners always talk up their teammates I wouldn't take it too serious.

On July 06 2009 19:16 Nazgul wrote: Sparring partners always talk up their teammates I wouldn't take it too serious.

QFT! this is the second time they are being quoted (the other about Colemans cardio being really good ROFL), what do you expect them to say? "oh GSP can never take me down he is in deep shit vs Alves" obviously they are not going to say that.

they train at the same gym. these are bonnars friends telling him this. not a different camp.

and it wasnt his sparring partners quoted. it was bonnars friends telling bonnar in private be careful because colemans cardio is looking pretty good. and then bonnar requoted when asked about the fight.

Alves vs GSP is pretty tough to predict, both guys are too green to make a correct assessment of their actual skillset(not to mention they keep on constantly improving). People are overstating Alvess size advantage cos GSP himself is huuuge. And judging from relative Hughes bouts they are about the same size. But it does play a factor because Alves probably hits harder and GSPs chin is yet unproven.

Shogun vs Lyoto. Pretty important bout that will test both fighters legitimacy and tell us whether Shogun is really finally back and how does Lyoto look when he is put out of his element. Betting on Shogun is ridiculous +EV at those odds, obviously if hes back in Pride-grade shape he is the favorite to win. And with all the time he had to get up to speed, i think the chances are good that hes already there.

Coleman vs Bonnar, i really dont see why people dismiss Coleman. Bonnar is a nobody and Coleman is the dude who put up a good fight against Fedor twice. If Coleman tries to get in shape he will absolutely dominate.

Brock vs Mir. WTFBBQ.

GSP is gonna run through alves. Alves is a big strong guy but i'm telling you that gsp will take him down when he wants to and he's gonna finish him probably round 3.

On July 07 2009 09:36 SfydjkLm wrote: Alves vs GSP is pretty tough to predict, both guys are too green to make a correct assessment of their actual skillset(not to mention they keep on constantly improving). People are overstating Alvess size advantage cos GSP himself is huuuge. And judging from relative Hughes bouts they are about the same size. But it does play a factor because Alves probably hits harder and GSPs chin is yet unproven. Shogun vs Lyoto. Pretty important bout that will test both fighters legitimacy and tell us whether Shogun is really finally back and how does Lyoto look when he is put out of his element. Betting on Shogun is ridiculous +EV at those odds, obviously if hes back in Pride-grade shape he is the favorite to win. And with all the time he had to get up to speed, i think the chances are good that hes already there. Coleman vs Bonnar, i really dont see why people dismiss Coleman. Bonnar is a nobody and Coleman is the dude who put up a good fight against Fedor twice. If Coleman tries to get in shape he will absolutely dominate. Brock vs Mir. WTFBBQ.

When coleman fought fedor he was on steroids and much younger, and he didnt really put a good fight imo.

his first fight he did really well, it just sucks when you fight fedor cuz he can go from 0-60 in no time flat and do things that only middleweights can do.

On July 07 2009 09:58 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2009 09:36 SfydjkLm wrote: Alves vs GSP is pretty tough to predict, both guys are too green to make a correct assessment of their actual skillset(not to mention they keep on constantly improving). People are overstating Alvess size advantage cos GSP himself is huuuge. And judging from relative Hughes bouts they are about the same size. But it does play a factor because Alves probably hits harder and GSPs chin is yet unproven. Shogun vs Lyoto. Pretty important bout that will test both fighters legitimacy and tell us whether Shogun is really finally back and how does Lyoto look when he is put out of his element. Betting on Shogun is ridiculous +EV at those odds, obviously if hes back in Pride-grade shape he is the favorite to win. And with all the time he had to get up to speed, i think the chances are good that hes already there. Coleman vs Bonnar, i really dont see why people dismiss Coleman. Bonnar is a nobody and Coleman is the dude who put up a good fight against Fedor twice. If Coleman tries to get in shape he will absolutely dominate. Brock vs Mir. WTFBBQ. When coleman fought fedor he was on steroids and much younger, and he didnt really put a good fight imo.

Granted he seemed to fight a different Fedor, but he did better then either Sylvia or Arlovski. Coleman is really one of the greatests heavyweights, its just too bad he was stuck in Hammerhouse for so long.

I also forgot Bisping vs Hendo, which i think Bisping takes. I predicted Franklin to beat Hendo, which i thought he did, but it was pretty close either way. I think just as in Franklins case, Bisping is the more complete fighter, while Hendo doesnt really seem to be improving and is still the same Hendo from Pride days. The problem is the Pride Hendo is an unsubmittable unknockoutable block of concrete and its very hard to beat a concrete block. I think just about anyone has the same chances against Hendo- if they can keep it on their feet and push the pace they can edge out a discision.