Anti Poker Politicians - Page 2

WA state, virtually completely controlled by Democrats, is the only state with an outright ban on online poker. It is in fact a 'C' felony. The same level of crime as molesting young children. This is also a state with a huge lottery business going on, so the hypocrisy is palatable. It's a case of state politicians, especially the governor herself, caving to special interest groups, in this case the tribal casinos who donated large amounts of cash to the governor and other dems in the state.

http://www.aintluck.com/internet-poker-illegal-washington/

On June 30 2009 13:08 k2o4 wrote: Yeah I've never understood how so many "republicans" and "conservatives" will scream about less government when things like health care come up, but they are 100% in support of MORE GOVERNMENT when things like poker come up. Such a lack of consistency.

Personally, I don't see how banning poker takes MORE GOVERNMENT.

The part about climate change is true. There are plenty of scientists who say that man-made climate change is not supported by scientific evidence.

On July 01 2009 13:48 phexac wrote: The part about climate change is true. There are plenty of scientists who say that man-made climate change is not supported by scientific evidence.

links to credible sources please. credible being the key word

EDIT - nevermind, this thread is supposed to be about anti-poker politicians, and it's not about discrediting silly statements made by some. no need to derail a thread

On July 01 2009 11:45 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2009 11:39 k2o4 wrote: Baal, when you're saying private property are you talking about like someones apartment or are you talking about a restaurant? Isnt it obvious? restaurants, bars, clubs, etcetera

These establishments are not protected under the concept of private property. Your decision to keep the doors wide open and let anyone enter establishes a precedent of public property. Wal-Mart cant host an orgy in the center of the store just because the building belongs to them. You dont like a certain ethnicity? You have the right to refuse them entrance into your home. Can a restaurant do this?

On July 01 2009 13:22 curtinsea wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2009 13:08 k2o4 wrote: Yeah I've never understood how so many "republicans" and "conservatives" will scream about less government when things like health care come up, but they are 100% in support of MORE GOVERNMENT when things like poker come up. Such a lack of consistency. Personally, I don't see how banning poker takes MORE GOVERNMENT.

It's not a question of how much effort it takes, it's simply a question of why the gov't is telling you what you can and cant do. It's obvious that conservatives wish to ban poker because they just plain ole dont like it, they think everyone should be like them, and it offends their delicate sensibilities. Whereas a democratically pushed ban on smoking is trying to prevent dumb fucks (no offense k2o, I know you smoke lol) from committing suicide to the tunes of thousands per year. Sorry if you cant see the difference.

ah very good of u to bring it up TenBagger
hypocrisies eh?
funny because I find the more things change .....



"Hitler, who loathed tobacco (which he called "the wrath of the Red Man against the White Man", instituted the world's strongest anti-tobacco policies, including bans on indoor smoking and restrictions on advertising." -The Boston Globe




The text translates: "Health, child protection, fighting poverty, aiding travellers, people's community, helping mothers: These are the tasks of the National Socialist People's Charity: Join up"




The text translates: ""With Adolf Hitler "Yes" for equal rights and peace"


Here is a full view picture

The banner is alongside a billboard that translates as "With Hitler against the armaments madness of the world".



Wait. Am I saying Obama is Hitler? No.
I am saying there is definitely a similarity in ideology and our direction and that I believe the hard lefts like TenBagger who attempt to distance themselves and/or their party or views from this notion (as they like to think/dream government genocide could never ever happen here) are innocently hypocritical or lying manipulatively.
I also think that the hard lefts that attempt to make this separation in other minds happen, whether knowingly or not, do so by using their classic weapon of choice of, "anyone that thinks this of me about our belief is just obviously crazy."
You see, that's what the hard lefts do either directly or by subtly implying. You yell fire on someone else and then logically berate that fellow to direct the attention off of yourselves as you move on. It's like your best tactic and curiously enough, it is very hypocritical. A nationalized socialization of everything as the masses ideology is the real reasoning behind the direction we are heading, it's no longer a Republican or Democrat thing. The real Republicans are long gone. If you want to continue to insist there are no parallels in Obama and Hitler or use the tactic that anyone who thinks this of your systematic view is crazy then fine by me I'll just sum you up as uneducated, a hypocrite, or a politician until proven otherwise.
Also, if we have evolved since then like so many of the bigtime hypocrites love to point out, then why have we not come up with a better solution than socialism, communism or fascism as an answer to capitalism? If you can actually see the big picture and realize money is the root of it all, socialism and crew is an obvious stagnant step backwards in comparison to actual capitalism in terms of creativity and productivity. I'm not a crazy fan of capitalism but it is surely a better system than socialism and I don't want to to go back in time and end up having to fight a real revolution from an overreaching government.



Apparently one of the most popular posters

The text translates as: "National Socialism -- the organized will of the nation".




"With Germany AGAINST capitalism"




The text translates: “The Marshall and the corporal fight alongside us for peace and equal rights”



I wish I had more time.
link linky & linkage

"You are nothing. Your people is everything!" -Adolf Hitler

also real quick to include the poker related stuff fwiw yes the Republicans who are supposed to keep the balance of our country by cutting back government are in total shambles and practically nonexistent and so these hypocrites you mention here are realistically and sadly the best thing the people of this country do have towards whats actually imo right as if you actually look at it from an unbiased perspective you would realize ALL republicans should be voting against the PPA or REGULATION & GOVERNMENT LICENSING and TAXATION of online poker as well as the total removal of the UIGEA. But alas it is the hypocrisies or religious beliefs instead of principles of the people that keep winning out for sure. Ron Paul has pointed this out with manner and I bet tons of money he would jump ship in a heartbeat if the people changed their tune and tried to get total removal of government involvement out of how they use their money completely.
A nice big subtle and jumbling slant was made here by the OP to get what he wants tho
well played

and Newb lol...
so standard
you guys have fun with him

On July 01 2009 17:44 NewbSaibot wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2009 13:22 curtinsea wrote:   On June 30 2009 13:08 k2o4 wrote: Yeah I've never understood how so many "republicans" and "conservatives" will scream about less government when things like health care come up, but they are 100% in support of MORE GOVERNMENT when things like poker come up. Such a lack of consistency. Personally, I don't see how banning poker takes MORE GOVERNMENT. It's not a question of how much effort it takes, it's simply a question of why the gov't is telling you what you can and cant do. It's obvious that conservatives wish to ban poker because they just plain ole dont like it, they think everyone should be like them, and it offends their delicate sensibilities. Whereas a democratically pushed ban on smoking is trying to prevent dumb fucks (no offense k2o, I know you smoke lol) from committing suicide to the tunes of thousands per year. Sorry if you cant see the difference.

You realize that the vast majority of people are "damaged" by gambling right? only a bunch of us make money out of it, most people loose, it also causes serious problems to families and it leads to suicide often.

But its our god damn right to do what we wish with our money, its our god damn right to choose what to do with your lungs.

If you ban smoking you must ban alcohol, you must ban dangerous sports, they are all detrimental to society and as you just said they are "committing suicide".

The government must baby sit your ass, so you dont do anything dangerous for you, even if its your own choice, willingly and knowing the risks right?

Your hypocrisy is disgusting, please tell me what is the difference between smoking and extreme biking?, its an activity that you choose to do because you enjoy it, you put yourself at risk of death or injury making you more costly to society, so tell me why should the government allow people to do crazy stunts in bikes?

but why elaborate on your hypocrisy, the poster totheeastside posted speaks more than 1000 words:

On July 01 2009 14:00 Racist Dragon wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2009 13:48 phexac wrote: The part about climate change is true. There are plenty of scientists who say that man-made climate change is not supported by scientific evidence. links to credible sources please. credible being the key word EDIT - nevermind, this thread is supposed to be about anti-poker politicians, and it's not about discrediting silly statements made by some. no need to derail a thread

this thread is about a whole bunch of crap and the global warming/hoax debate was just one of the many things found in the OP
as for credible sources on the hoax side of the AGW matter I do not know what you define as credible but you could start your rabbit hole here
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=288952680655100870
warning tho, while I found this video worthwhile, this whole issue is a big one and is very back and forth

The difference between extreme mountain biking and cage fighting and sky diving and being a stuntman is that you are not guaranteed to die performing these. The burden of these occupations on our healthcare system and society in general doesnt hold a candle to the cost of smokers. When someone breaks their ankle snowboarding they are in the hospital for about a day. When a smoker develops terminal lung cancer they are in the hospital for about the rest of their life. Now multiply this by the 60 or so million smokers in our country alone and compare it against the oh I dunno, maybe a few hundred thousand "extreme lifestyles" people live, and you can see the disproportionate effect of this one hourly habit compared to the few months in season someone can do the aforementioned things and endanger themselves.

By the way eastside, thanks for another classic example of your rightwing lunacy pushed out by the underground extremists out there in lala land, you do your party a great service with such demonstrations of idiocy. I love how the fringe right goes from defining the democratic party as pussies and cowards to iron fisted tyrants bent on enslaving mankind. So fucking which is it? You cant have it both ways. This especially coming from a political party which has long aligned itself with groups that promote slavery, racism, warmongering, and the right to own guns. Your ridiculous comparisons to the democratic agenda and hitler have about as much merit as agreeing that both Obama and Hitler wore a tie when they spoke.


Tell me, how old are you? Have you ever even voted before?

toteheastside yet again only deliveres guilt by association arguments.

ah Saki... "yet again" huh... "only" eh....? ok
That is really a laughable statement as this is coming from the guy who in reference to me posting a story about the correct principle of appropriations of US tax dollars, his first statement to me ever was, "I dont understand this unconditional love some of you americans seem to have towards the constitution and/or freedom."
"You seem to read the constitution like you read the bible. Seperation of chuch and state anyone?".
Obviously Saki has a very clear understanding of me and there is absolutely no guilt by association views from within you over there Saki -.-;;
[x]sarc

I guess I gotta ask... where u coming from this time Saki? Even if you might have a point, I'm not going to presume it for you. So if u actually wanna tango and get somewhere then plz get specific, otherwise don't "waste your time" and do your standard dodge like statement now thx

and Newb lol do you even know which party I am?
I've told you and said it more than once but I bet the moment you read this you still don't know correctly
The lines I drew in my post and what they meant I am not going to attempt to educate you on Newb; it really goes nowhere with you and our posts are constant reminders of that i.e. your last one here. With me, you are definitely way to one way in thinking; all I will ever do is waste my breath. If Obama had his own zealots, I'd crown you his first one. You're welcome.

Mayyyyybe if Saki actually deems it worthwhile to be more than his std opinionated hating self you can read something from there but I wouldn't bet on that happening

I should have known this thread would degrade to this and taken a more neutral stance. I totally knew it but I couldn't since I am just filled with such disgust. I should have just focused on the fact that the overwhelming majority of republicans are anti poker and the majority of democrats support poker which was my main point.

But this whole "year of the bible" thing and related issues such as politicians supporting creationism and banning the teaching of evolution or calling global warming a hoax just gets me so riled up. I know I shouldn't go off topic but I can't help myself and I must respond to the following:

On July 01 2009 13:48 phexac wrote: The part about climate change is true. There are plenty of scientists who say that man-made climate change is not supported by scientific evidence.

For the sake of fairness, there are some scientists that dispute gloabl warming, but to call it plenty is far from the truth. There are only a few dozen reputable scientists that dispute gloabl warming out of many thousands and you can see them listed here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...ientific_assessment_of_global_warming

Not only are they only a tiny fraction of the entire scientific community, NOT A SINGLE scientific body of national or international standing is known to reject the basic findings of human influence on recent climate change. NOT EVEN ONE. On the other hand, all of the following organizations concur with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report that finds that human actions are "very likely" the cause of global warming, meaning a 90% or greater probability:

- Federal Climate Change Science Program (commissioned by Bush)
- Arctic Climate Impact Assessment
- European Academy of Sciences and Arts
- InterAcademy Council
- International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
- Joint science academies' statements
(The signatories of these statements have been the national science academies of Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Cameroon, Canada, the Caribbean, China, France, Ghana, Germany, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, India, Japan, Kenya, Madagascar, Malaysia, Mexico, Nigeria, New Zealand, Russia, Senegal, South Africa, Sudan, Sweden, Tanzania, Uganda, United Kingdom, United States, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.)
- Network of African Science Academies
- Royal Society of New Zealand
- Polish Academy of Sciences
- American Association for the Advancement of Science
- European Science Foundation
- National Research Council (US)
- American Geophysical Union
- European Federation of Geologists
- European Geosciences Union
- Geological Society of America
- International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
- Stratigraphy Commission of the Geological Society of London
- American Meteorological Society
- Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
- Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
- Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
- Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
- World Meteorological Organization
- American Quaternary Association
- International Union for Quaternary Research
- American Astronomical Society
- American Chemical Society
- American Institute of Physics
- American Statistical Association
- Engineers Australia (The Institution of Engineers Australia)

So basically every scientific community and organization agree that global warming is attributable to human activities (except for a handful that are non-committal) and there is not a single scientific community or organization that disputes it. HOW is this not a consensus? Thousands upon thousands of reputable scientists and every single scientific organization agree but a few dozen reputable scientists disagree and somehow there is no consensus?

There are still people that believe the earth is flat:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_earth_society

A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine ~ Thomas Jefferson

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~ Benjamin Franklin

We should never forget that everything Adolf Hitler did in Germany was “legal” and everything the Hungarian freedom fighters did in Hungary was “illegal.” ~ Martin Luther King, Jr

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. ~ Winston Churchill

Are not laws dangerous which inhibit the passions? Compare the centuries of anarchy with those of the strongest legalism in any country you like and you will see that it is only when the laws are silent that the greatest actions appear. ~ Marquis De Sade

It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either of them. ~ Mark Twain

Some qoutes I thought especially relevant.

On July 02 2009 00:24 NewbSaibot wrote: The difference between extreme mountain biking and cage fighting and sky diving and being a stuntman is that you are not guaranteed to die performing these. The burden of these occupations on our healthcare system and society in general doesnt hold a candle to the cost of smokers. When someone breaks their ankle snowboarding they are in the hospital for about a day. When a smoker develops terminal lung cancer they are in the hospital for about the rest of their life. Now multiply this by the 60 or so million smokers in our country alone and compare it against the oh I dunno, maybe a few hundred thousand "extreme lifestyles" people live, and you can see the disproportionate effect of this one hourly habit compared to the few months in season someone can do the aforementioned things and endanger themselves. By the way eastside, thanks for another classic example of your rightwing lunacy pushed out by the underground extremists out there in lala land, you do your party a great service with such demonstrations of idiocy. I love how the fringe right goes from defining the democratic party as pussies and cowards to iron fisted tyrants bent on enslaving mankind. So fucking which is it? You cant have it both ways. This especially coming from a political party which has long aligned itself with groups that promote slavery, racism, warmongering, and the right to own guns. Your ridiculous comparisons to the democratic agenda and hitler have about as much merit as agreeing that both Obama and Hitler wore a tie when they spoke. Tell me, how old are you? Have you ever even voted before?

Please allow me to suggest that both the right and the left are pushing towards tyranny with the only differene being the sort.

The right for the most seems to want to inflict their "Moral" "family" "Traditional" "Religious" What have you values on the people. They also want to inflict our or "There" values on the rest of the world.

The left seems to want to inflict their values of "forced tolerance", "Egalitarian economics", "paternalism of saftey and health" ect.

In fact, the one thing both sides in practice seem to agree with is that tyranny ought be the order of the day. God help us if they ever agree on the form of it they ought to institute.

On July 02 2009 01:32 ToTehEastSide wrote: ah Saki... "yet again" huh... "only" eh....? ok That is really a laughable statement as this is coming from the guy who in reference to me posting a story about the correct principle of appropriations of US tax dollars, his first statement to me ever was, "I dont understand this unconditional love some of you americans seem to have towards the constitution and/or freedom." "You seem to read the constitution like you read the bible. Seperation of chuch and state anyone?". Obviously Saki has a very clear understanding of me and there is absolutely no guilt by association views from within you over there Saki -.-;; [x]sarc I guess I gotta ask... where u coming from this time Saki? Even if you might have a point, I'm not going to presume it for you. So if u actually wanna tango and get somewhere then plz get specific, otherwise don't "waste your time" and do your standard dodge like statement now thx and Newb lol do you even know which party I am? I've told you and said it more than once but I bet the moment you read this you still don't know correctly The lines I drew in my post and what they meant I am not going to attempt to educate you on Newb; it really goes nowhere with you and our posts are constant reminders of that i.e. your last one here. With me, you are definitely way to one way in thinking; all I will ever do is waste my breath. If Obama had his own zealots, I'd crown you his first one. You're welcome. Mayyyyybe if Saki actually deems it worthwhile to be more than his std opinionated hating self you can read something from there but I wouldn't bet on that happening

My point is that you argue your points in a dirty way that is all.

On July 02 2009 02:30 TenBagger wrote: I should have known this thread would degrade to this and taken a more neutral stance. I totally knew it but I couldn't since I am just filled with such disgust. I should have just focused on the fact that the overwhelming majority of republicans are anti poker and the majority of democrats support poker which was my main point.

yes, you should have known, since it was just another republican-bashing piece disguised as a poker related issue.

Why do you have such blind love for your democrats? They have all the power and can do whatever they want, yet you still spend your time campaigning against republicans. The Dems won, alright. Get over it, get on with it, let's see what they can do. Just shut up until election year and defend what they've done with control.