100NL HU, 2 pair good? - Page 2

I checked and found other interesting hands. Once he donked 3/4 on flop and fired 3 barrels which i called with top pair and he had a missed gutshot. Other hand i call his open with KJ we check KQx flop i pot turn which was K he raised smallish I reraised and he folded. Another hand I lead A4 oop on a AJ7 board he raised 3x i call, check/check turn and check called his river bet, he showed T9s. Floated me 3 times in 3bet pots. All this is for less than 150 hands.
But these bluffs are a bit standard, the lead/call check/raise looked very strong and i had a bad feeling that the turn helped him and considered folding but couldnt do it with 2 pair.
Yea he owned me with 78 hearts but I'm still not sure if I should consider this a cooler or I should have folded...

You should have folded

On June 29 2009 15:24 Benzooor wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2009 14:09 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: why is turn a bad card? because he may have TJ? lol? if he have us beat who fucking care you reload and get his money wtf folding 2 pairs -.- it obv depend on game flow and vilain but without no info Lol@ folding 2 piars You're funny. Poker's not about absolute hand strength, it's about relative hand strength. "LOL I HAVE TWO PAIR HU" isn't an argument. Break down his possible ranges logically and then assess the strength of your hand with known information. I don't think in this situation it's a slam dunk fold, but I definitely think it's more likely he's got us beat given the information from OP, and I wouldn't feel good stacking off here.   if he have us beat who fucking care you reload and get his money That's a really, REALLY stupid statement.

lol i play HU everyday and its how i make my money
I get my money abusing little nit weak fish like you so stfu

About the hand
In HU you should know what type of hand he lead with, it really helps
you know the guy float and he can 3 barrel bluffs so we know its not a weak nit fish
Most of the time i just reraise turn here
I may call if i really feel i may not have the best hand (needs reasons depending on the game flow and opponent)
I seriously dont get why you guys are saying J is the worst turn possible???????
How is a jack bad for him if he have anythign? why should not he check raise 9T/94 etc
Hes leading the flop
People in HU see a lead like a retarded play and it means air
So he can easily call a reraise to check raise any turn because he think you will put him on air and suddendly..you will belive he got something
You guys probably get owned hard in HU vs any decent player
seriously i can see him having 89 here or a shit load of stuff that we have beat
Shoving the turn is def the best play
Also i agree with TT, as always anyway
''Turn is closer to a shove / fold spot (i didn't see stack sizes earlier) if you wanna continue you HAVE to shove, mostly due to the fact that he has half his stack commited on a very drawy board, so hes pot commited with 100% of draws, it's almost impossible for you to determine which draw he can be on so if you think you are ahead of his range you gotta shove, otherwise fold) Flatting turn with these stack sizes should be a mistake''
I think the key in waht he said is '' if you want to continue you have to shove''

Also
if its the first time he take this kind of line i may play carrefully, i dont mind not getting the pot bigger or whatever, i want information
So i may call and check behind on river if river is scary and he check (so a queen or an 8 or w/e), if he bet it,you fold unless its a small bet and you may just call his all in because you have a decent hand + you want information + you have way too much in the pot to fold river anyway
HU is all about getting information about the other player in good moments..if you call turn you call river, even if your beat you may have the best hand + you have information for futur
I know somes here wont agree with me but i dont care xD

I don't give a shit what you think about me - I'm not here to size up internet cocks or flame people. I'm perfectly happy with my results and my game HU

I do appreciate you giving a little bit more of your reasoning, even though I don't agree with all of it.

Staxxx, thanks for the interesting hand.

On July 01 2009 10:24 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2009 15:24 Benzooor wrote:   On June 29 2009 14:09 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: why is turn a bad card? because he may have TJ? lol? if he have us beat who fucking care you reload and get his money wtf folding 2 pairs -.- it obv depend on game flow and vilain but without no info Lol@ folding 2 piars You're funny. Poker's not about absolute hand strength, it's about relative hand strength. "LOL I HAVE TWO PAIR HU" isn't an argument. Break down his possible ranges logically and then assess the strength of your hand with known information. I don't think in this situation it's a slam dunk fold, but I definitely think it's more likely he's got us beat given the information from OP, and I wouldn't feel good stacking off here.   if he have us beat who fucking care you reload and get his money That's a really, REALLY stupid statement. lol i play HU everyday and its how i make my money I get my money abusing little nit weak fish like you so stfu

This is true for you, I would also not fold this myself. But he is playing an opponent who is probably preety weak, also hero I'm guessing is not playing very aggro either (so his opponent is not tilted) under these conditions it's prob a fold (on the turn)
In a very aggro match you are obv preety exited here, such is not a case here I'm 90%+ sure

Yes even that he's made some bluffs I don't think he is creative enough to even semi bluff here. And yes i was not aggro enough that he might think i have air on the turn and re-bluf me or value bet a pair. So now i also prefer folding than shoving.
Thanks for the replies.

On July 01 2009 13:22 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2009 10:24 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote:   On June 29 2009 15:24 Benzooor wrote:   On June 29 2009 14:09 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: why is turn a bad card? because he may have TJ? lol? if he have us beat who fucking care you reload and get his money wtf folding 2 pairs -.- it obv depend on game flow and vilain but without no info Lol@ folding 2 piars You're funny. Poker's not about absolute hand strength, it's about relative hand strength. "LOL I HAVE TWO PAIR HU" isn't an argument. Break down his possible ranges logically and then assess the strength of your hand with known information. I don't think in this situation it's a slam dunk fold, but I definitely think it's more likely he's got us beat given the information from OP, and I wouldn't feel good stacking off here.   if he have us beat who fucking care you reload and get his money That's a really, REALLY stupid statement. lol i play HU everyday and its how i make my money I get my money abusing little nit weak fish like you so stfu This is true for you, I would also not fold this myself. But he is playing an opponent who is probably preety weak, also hero I'm guessing is not playing very aggro either (so his opponent is not tilted) under these conditions it's prob a fold (on the turn) In a very aggro match you are obv preety exited here, such is not a case here I'm 90%+ sure

we obviously dont know the flow of the game
the oponnent
we also dont know how the hero play
and all and all
EVERYTHING is important in HU thats why its so hard to help someone about a HU hand(unless you were obsing all the hu)
Everyone have different style, im very aggro so my HU games are always agressiv , thats why i never ever fold that
I dont expect the opponent to be nit/weak since he 3 barrel bluff and float (as you know, alot of people have balls to 2 barrel bluff but not much are able to 3 barrel bluff..)
So we the little informations we got here i do not fold
and like i said(i think) i love to get informations when i can/have to)