PS plans to change vpp system - Page 2

On June 28 2009 10:37 dogmeat wrote: it's hard to say ... imo games will get better when all fckin rakebackpros leave

Game will get better when rakeback pros have their rakeback earnings reduced and are forced to play fewer tables and learn more of the game?

I think you're wrong there buddy.

From what I am reading of that 2+2 post this means that we will finally see the emergence of partial VPP's? Meaning that there won't be pots where you earn nothing anymore. Overall I'm willing to bet it doesn't change things much once it all shakes down and people play 1000 hand samples and measure the average # of VPP's they are earning with the new system as compared to the old.

Edit: Although yeah it does kind of look like FR players will see their FPP generation cut quite a bit. Perhaps they will adjust this due to a lot of complaints.

woot go 6max <3 stars, now its more fair

So for 6max players the new system is actually better than the old one ?

For 5/10+ 6max this is definitely good.. rake is 3$ in every pot that's played postflop so that's almost 3vpp per pot (when a 6max game is full) instead of the usual 2.

On June 28 2009 16:11 ConquistadoR wrote: So for 6max players the new system is actually better than the old one ?

Depends how high they play. I did the math for playing at like 50 & 100PLO and it comes out to slightly less or about the same. As you get higher though the benefits go up significantly. It doesn't look like it will be very good for microstakes players though. I'm hoping that with more tinkering they will make everyone reasonably happy. I can't imagine the VPP changes will just ignore all the feedback they are now getting and not have some modifications compared to what was first posted over on 2p2 by Scotty.

6max was getting hosed before. We pay 1/6 the rake but get the same VPP as someone at a FR table that pays 1/10th the rake. If anything it's bringing 6max up to par commensurate with the rake we generate. FR at stars will still be as good relative to FTP or programs at other site, only now so will 6 max.

On June 28 2009 16:42 Cray0ns wrote: 6max was getting hosed before. We pay 1/6 the rake but get the same VPP as someone at a FR table that pays 1/10th the rake. If anything it's bringing 6max up to par commensurate with the rake we generate. FR at stars will still be as good relative to FTP or programs at other site, only now so will 6 max.

this isnt exactly right.

"Second FPP is awarded for playing a hand in which the rake reaches:

•$2.00 for all 6-max tables (this doesn't apply for games being played 6- handed at 10/9/8 player tables - just at 6-max tables)
•$3.00 for all other tables"

Stars did this small change already quite some time ago.

And FR will be worse as FTP,since there,you just get your rakeback without having to worry about your volume of play regarding the vip-status.

this is a massive improvement for micro players if partial vpp's are given

and a good thing for 6max

On June 28 2009 12:28 Maynard! wrote: Show nested quote + On June 28 2009 10:37 dogmeat wrote: it's hard to say ... imo games will get better when all fckin rakebackpros leave Game will get better when rakeback pros have their rakeback earnings reduced and are forced to play fewer tables and learn more of the game? I think you're wrong there buddy.

they are unable to do so... thats why they are rakeback pros

awesome : D !!!

omg im 6max nl50/nl100 player and im highly disappointed by this change....

should i be? -.-

quick question, is this going to apply to VPPs and FPPs or just VPPs?

this is affecting VPPs which in turn affects FPPs

On June 28 2009 19:58 CruiseR wrote: omg im 6max nl50/nl100 player and im highly disappointed by this change.... should i be? -.-

i think this is fne for us.

on another note, is the super moderator soah that replied in the 2p2 thread the same sOah that was kidnapped/disappeared while on stake with Ket?

so fr grinders get Fked and 6max grinders get an increase. Whatever, if your going for elite at FR it shouldnt be that much harder to play an extra 300-400k hands over the course of a year.

read the 2+2 thread and what i got from it was 6max players earn up to 20% more vpps and fr players 20% less
which is of course awesome for 6 max players like myself.

atm however, im much more excited about stars july bonuses

btw lets say 6max players earn 20% more
right now if ure supernova u get 3.5 fpps for every 1vpp earned
1.2* 3.5 = 4.2

So you get 4.2 instead of 3.5 vpps which is 0.7 more or .7/3.5 = 20% more

opps thought the vpp increase would be further mutiplied somehow when translated into fpps but thats not the case. i obv fail at basic mathematical reasoning.

so a x% boost to ur vpps directly translates to an x% boost to ur fpps

Pretty annoying to fuck over fr players but at least it will probably encourage me to switch to 6m.