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spets1   Australia. Jan 15 2009 20:05. Posts 2179

oh shit sorry its NL100

Submitted by : spets1

villan is 36/26 after 60 hands

is this fine to play the hand this way? Should i raise somewhere in there?

my note on him is that he is aggro


POKERSTARS GAME #23936908896: HOLDEM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2009/01/15 18:10:28 ET
Table Fragaria IV 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: KarlSpakler ($101.50 in chips)
Seat 2: howieebub ($108.20 in chips)
Seat 3: udbrky ($116.65 in chips)
Seat 4: jamesfranks ($72.35 in chips)
Seat 5: spets2 ($98.10 in chips)
Seat 6: Talon2000 ($19 in chips)
Talon2000: posts small blind $0.50
KarlSpakler: posts big blind $1

Holecards
Dealt to spets2 JdAd
howieebub: raises $2 to $3
udbrky: folds
jamesfranks: folds
jamesfranks leaves the table
spets2: calls $3
Talon2000: folds
KarlSpakler: folds

Flop (Pot : $7.50)

   3s2cJh
howieebub: bets $5
spets2: calls $5

Turn (Pot : $17.50)

   3s2cJh7c
howieebub: bets $12
spets2: calls $12

River (Pot : $41.50)

   3s2cJh7c4h
howieebub: bets $28
snosopp joins the table at seat #4
spets2: calls $28

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palak   United States. Jan 15 2009 20:18. Posts 4601

standard vs blufftard lag imo

assuming he is the type who always bets and shuts down if raised. vs someone who just always bets out and shoves u could raise flop and cal a shove but villain needs to be pretty laggy/bad for that to work to often

dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquariumLast edit: 15/01/2009 20:20

Joe   Czech Republic. Jan 15 2009 20:46. Posts 5987

Player dependant, but vs most regs ur hand is a bluff catcher on the river. Maybe already on the turn.

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TenBagger   United States. Jan 15 2009 20:56. Posts 2018

60 hands is way too small a sample size.

I got howieebub running at 18/14/3.6 over 1358 hands so that 36/26 that you have him at over 60 hands is doing you more harm than good if you try to make a hard conclusion over such a tiny sample size. I haven't seen him 3 barrel after an UTG raise with anything less than TPTK so I think he probably has you beat. With that said, I probably woulda played it the same. But then again, I'm kinda passive/stationy so thats probably not the optimal way to play this hand.


TalentedTom    Canada. Jan 15 2009 21:14. Posts 20070

river is super close between call and shove

i suppose since your not sure how he plays you can call

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locoo   Peru. Jan 15 2009 21:38. Posts 4561

i prefer a river shove

bitte bitte bitte bitte bitte bitte 

Balzamon   Sweden. Jan 15 2009 22:49. Posts 2868


  On January 15 2009 19:46 Joe wrote:
Player dependant, but vs most regs ur hand is a bluff catcher on the river. Maybe already on the turn.



wat?


asdf2000   United States. Jan 15 2009 23:45. Posts 7690


  On January 15 2009 21:49 Balzamon wrote:
Show nested quote +



wat?


he's actually kind of right

by the river I would not expect most regs to have worse than AJ. MAYBE kj.

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Baalim   Mexico. Jan 15 2009 23:45. Posts 34246

lol @ joe

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palak   United States. Jan 16 2009 00:26. Posts 4601

i dont expect any 100nl reg to triple barrel w/ less then TPTK

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[vital]Myth    United States. Jan 16 2009 00:34. Posts 12159

WANT

some very significant winning going on in the OP

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spets1   Australia. Jan 16 2009 03:49. Posts 2179


  On January 15 2009 19:56 TenBagger wrote:
60 hands is way too small a sample size.

I got howieebub running at 18/14/3.6 over 1358 hands so that 36/26 that you have him at over 60 hands is doing you more harm than good if you try to make a hard conclusion over such a tiny sample size. I haven't seen him 3 barrel after an UTG raise with anything less than TPTK so I think he probably has you beat. With that said, I probably woulda played it the same. But then again, I'm kinda passive/stationy so thats probably not the optimal way to play this hand.




I kind of disagree with that. I think that the people that play are playing different styles from time to time. If you acquired that sample size over a long time, maybe he has already changed the way he plays right now.

I myself for example play different styles from time to time, sometimes i play nitty sometimes i play lag, sometimes i play crazy, it just depends what day you can catch me.
I was actually thinking of putting the feature in PAHUD to display results either from last 200 hands or just the session stats.

so what im saying is its better to have his last say 100-200 hands thatn say have 1400 which just averages all his stats

am i right or am i way off here.

hola 

palak   United States. Jan 16 2009 04:55. Posts 4601

way off...larger sample sizes are always more accurate to how they will probably be playing, if they are playing differently then their stats say over a large sample then u can always adjust to how they are currently playing

for example 3bet% is only really a good stat after 500+ hands, it swings all over the place w/ less hands and is not THAT good of an indicator until u have a large sample

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dimitrov87   Bulgaria. Jan 16 2009 06:17. Posts 44

"villan is 36/26 after 60 hands"

you think hes aggro, so why not 3bet PF...


palak   United States. Jan 16 2009 06:37. Posts 4601


  On January 16 2009 05:17 dimitrov87 wrote:
"villan is 36/26 after 60 hands"

you think hes aggro, so why not 3bet PF...




3bet a UTG raiser w/ AJs=bad, folds out all worse hands, better hands usually dont call but just shove overtop...much easier to just outplay postflop

dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquariumLast edit: 16/01/2009 06:41

T8Suited   Canada. Jan 16 2009 08:17. Posts 1276

raising flop will make this hand easier to play
I'm guessing you let villain turn/river a set?


palak   United States. Jan 16 2009 08:23. Posts 4601


  On January 16 2009 07:17 T8Suited wrote:
raising flop will make this hand easier to play
I'm guessing you let villain turn/river a set?



yes but we also lose money from Jx's and bluffs etc and the point of calling down was just to bluffcatch (i'm assuming)

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ChromaX   Bulgaria. Jan 16 2009 10:52. Posts 392

I think your line is fine. Talented Tom said it's close between shove and call but i dont see how he's calling with worse more than 50% of the time after taking such a line
Villain is Lag but that doesnt mean you shouldnt put overpairs in his range, he's also raising all PP so 22 33 is possible too
AA KK QQ 22 33 will be played the same way 21 combos
3 barrel bluffs will be played like that too but it doesnt matter because he's never calling shove with that
and sometimes KJ QJ TJ if he's confident and likes to valuebet thin . Thats 24 combos but again it heavily depends if he's capable of thin valuebetting river like this
and most ppl will be cautious before making that 3d bet with that kind of a hand and if he does it he will fold to a shove often enough to make shoving unprofitable

AA is only a pair MUPPET - the guy who cracked my AA calling AI pf with QJ 

PoorUser    United States. Jan 16 2009 11:48. Posts 7471

high 5 well played - with really good reads and history against this guy you can raise to play for stacks on any street

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Twisted    Netherlands. Jan 16 2009 15:36. Posts 10422

rofl

Against a 36/26 (if those stats remain) I'm going to be raising flop or turn and definitely aim to get it allin. Against unknown calling down is ok I guess (60 hands is not enough). We flopped the nuts because our hand is pretty underrepped. I'm sure this guy is valuebetting 3 streets with TJ or QJ a lot.

lol @ joe


 
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