Gaza Strip - Page 7

Who gives a shit. I don't see any people on LP that live in gaza. The end.


we all just post are viewpoint call each other morons and then wait for the next dumbass thread. FYI i hate Zionism but you can blame Israel 100% and they don't go out of there way to kill civilians and children. When Hamas and other terrorists hide in schools its a propaganda tool for crazed Muslim clerics who brainwash young children. THE END.

I actually think whether I like someone can be defined entirely based on their stance on this issue. well, in europe anyway, in usa it seems like the informationstream is so biased that it is possible for me to like someone whom sympathesizes with israel more than palestine, as this can be blamed on ignorance rather than the blackness of their heart.

isreal is a god damn apartheid state. it's the best example through history that people behave towards others as others have earlier behaved towards them, as jews are the most prosecuted people through history and currently guilty of the worst ethnical discrimination in the industrialized world. israel will never achieve whatever it is they are hoping to achieve until they treat the palestinians as equal human beings, because no people has ever been willing to submit to another people without fighting.

the really ridiculous part is where americans, whom founded their nation on principles of not being governed by an oppressive colonial power, end up being the strongest defenders of just this happening today.

On January 12 2009 02:18 Liquid`Drone wrote: isreal is a god damn apartheid state. it's the best example through history that people behave towards others as others have earlier behaved towards them, as jews are the most prosecuted people through history and currently guilty of the worst ethnical discrimination in the industrialized world. israel will never achieve whatever it is they are hoping to achieve until they treat the palestinians as equal human beings

I Agree with you man we are truly an apartheid state..(good look what is apartheid in dictionary and get back to me ok ? )
But there's just one problem , the palestinians are not human beings.
the only thing make any sense was that we're never gonna achieve what we want , which is peace , that's for sure..

On January 12 2009 02:49 Kingsane wrote: But there's just one problem , the palestinians are not human beings. .

didn't this just support his claim rather than refute it?

if you refuse to see the parallel between south african apartheid and the situation in israel, I present you these three links, with the viewpoints of desmond tutu, whom must be about the biggest authority on apartheid in the entire world

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/apr/29/comment
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020715/tutu
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/1957644.stm

while he also condemns use of suicide bombing and the palestinian incitement of hatred (as do I : but it is very understandable ; mistreatment creates hatred creates desperation), some other notable quotes are

Archbishop Tutu said he saw "the humiliation of the Palestinians at checkpoints and roadblocks, suffering like us when young white police officers prevented us from moving about".
The archbishop, who was a leading opponent of apartheid in South Africa, said Israel would "never get true security and safety through oppressing another people".

"On one of my visits to the Holy Land I drove to a church with the Anglican bishop in Jerusalem. I could hear tears in his voice as he pointed to Jewish settlements. I thought of the desire of Israelis for security. But what of the Palestinians who have lost their land and homes?

I have experienced Palestinians pointing to what were their homes, now occupied by Jewish Israelis. I was walking with Canon Naim Ateek (the head of the Sabeel Ecumenical Centre) in Jerusalem. He pointed and said: "Our home was over there. We were driven out of our home; it is now occupied by Israeli Jews."

My heart aches. I say why are our memories so short. Have our Jewish sisters and brothers forgotten their humiliation? Have they forgotten the collective punishment, the home demolitions, in their own history so soon? Have they turned their backs on their profound and noble religious traditions? Have they forgotten that God cares deeply about the downtrodden? "

"Many South Africans are beginning to recognize the parallels to what we went through. Ronnie Kasrils and Max Ozinsky, two Jewish heroes of the antiapartheid struggle, recently published a letter titled "Not in My Name." Signed by several hundred other prominent Jewish South Africans, the letter drew an explicit analogy between apartheid and current Israeli policies. Mark Mathabane and Nelson Mandela have also pointed out the relevance of the South African experience. "

(this shows that even jews outside israel can see the parallel. )

virtually everybody recognizes israels right to exist. but you need to realize that you are not attacked for no reason..

Ummmm No.

One big assumption im making here , is that every LP'er , SC'er user is usuall pretty smart or better yet , we are all smarter than average people here ( at least i want to believe that )

if there was a bloody war going on in new zealand right now i wouldnt have the right/knowledge to say anything , because i really dunno , im not NZlander..

the problem is that most of u THINK u know anything , if this subject really does remotely insterest you , pick up a book and start reading ( i cant imagine why u would be intersted though ) u might find that reading about something really helps understanding it .

as parker417 said "who gives a shit" , this is just something that had to be done in order for us to keep a reasonable quality of life .

as for me , why do i think palestinians are not human beings ? pretty simple i would say . while they teach math and english here in school , over there they teach you how to kill people ( that is ACTUALLY the standard program there ) im talking about getting up in 8;30 am , going to school and learn about bombs , guns , etc . that's the standard program school program there . they study in school how killing many israelis gets you to heaven ^^ sick hehe..
did u know that an arab who commits suacide and kills alot of people is consider a saint there ? or a hero would better describe .
man , there would be so many Elky's i wouldnt know what to do

ok so during the apartheid conflict in south africa, unless you were south african you should have no say, right? lets just disregard the fact that apartheid was abolished for the betterment of humanity as a direct consequence of international pressure, because people outside south africa saw gross injustice and decided that they would not accept it.

fuck off, you're just as blinded by your hate as those who wish for the entire state of israel to be destroyed. I don't waste my energy on those, and I see no point in wasting it on you.

yeah king,

i understand you're in a warzone and i'm praying for you and the people of Israel but you are very obviously biased to the point where civil discussion on the matter is unfortunately not possible.

taking one side only in this conflict is stupid, palestinians have Hamas, who are on every terrorist list out there while Israel have their settlers who are religious maniacs just like Hamas so both sides have their retards and that is probably why this conflict keeps going on forever

Nolan i kinda understand what you're saying here..
im not gonna even reply to drone and that garbage , i really expected more from this guy oh well..
i know im biased but still what im saying is 100% true
i guess talking about this in a forum wont change a thing too..

but then taking one side in this conflict is not stupid, as israel deals significantly more damage to the palestinian civilian population than hamas / palestinians deals to israeli civilians

I mean, of course : showing sympathy with civilians on both sides is imperative. but logically, palestinian civilians should get more sympathy, as their sufferings are much larger.

i mean for fucks sake, numbers are just in
900 palestinians dead, 277 of them children
3950 injured, this probably includes a shitload of amputated legs / arms, e.g. stuff that leaves people enraged for the rest of their lives..

how many israelis died from the rockets launched by hamas prior to this..?

On January 11 2009 15:41 SfydjkLm wrote: Show nested quote + On January 11 2009 09:47 DustySwedeDude wrote:   On January 11 2009 06:57 SfydjkLm wrote:   On January 11 2009 05:08 DustySwedeDude wrote: In my book Israel is badass. All their neighbors been trying to exterminate them since the god damn state was founded, they're tiny and they hardly have any natural resources. Still it's their enemies who hides among civilians and go cry in media about how Israel is OMG SO EVIL! However, I do understand if Americans are tired of financing the state. But without their aid I think Israel would have no choice left except maybe turn most of the middle east into a glass desert. holy crap are people clueless about what is going on in middle east. Even as far as your own post goes- tiny without natural resources yet financed by Americans. So which one is that? Is it poor or is it rich? It cant be both. Next person to post his opinion here please read the wiki page before doing so at least. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine   Still it's their enemies who hides among civilians and go cry in media about how Israel is OMG SO EVIL! The Jews hate the arabs much more then the arabs hate jews(As per Jewish hatred is pretty much spread across nation while arab hatred is concentrated only in terrorist cells). I wouldnt be suprised if theyre sending the rockets in blind, but even if they dont, trust me, theyre least concerned for civilian lives. I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that financial and military aid counted as natural resources. You insinuate that Israel kicks ass beause they are poor but still kick ass, one can hardly be poor however if you recieve unparalleled amounts of aid.   As for the rest, I guess my English is shitty or something but I couldn't really follow. Who are concerned about human life? If you mean Israel so fair enough, even though they seem a bit less picky then some other countries, but if you meant Hamas it's just lol. People who care doesn't use children as shields. In fact, I feel that any man who hides behind women or children are at best some kind of sub-human without any rights, moral or meaning what so ever. Both Israeli and Hamas dont give a fuck about human life, its the civilians who are not at fault for anything the ones who suffer. However Israeli is a proper nation, #1 ally of the one and only liberators and true democracy blah blah while Hamas is a fucking TERRORIST CELL. I dont see anyone threatening Israel with sanctions for being cocks, while Iran gets it for simply seeking nuclear energy. Yes its been established already itll take over a decade for Iran to reach the technology required for a proper nuclear weapon.

Except you didn't touch comment on my point that any man who hides behind women and children are a worm I still don't feel like it's fair to compare Israel with Hamas. I don't really care about the democracy aspect THAT much, but still. Hiding behind women and children vs fighting a war wearing uniforms.

Also, who the fuck needs proper nuclear weapons? I'm pretty sure I could instruct a couple of random retards on how to make a dirty bomb if I had a nuclear power plant.

And, not directet to you but to others. To say that Palestinians aren't people are stupid and sounds a scary, but I could go so far as to say that anyone who supports Hamas knowing their goals and everything lacks any human rights what so ever in my book.

i wonder if i should ban that scumbag for saying palestinians are not people, racism is not tolerated in this site, so do it again and you are gone, ill let it slip this time cuz ur ignorance and bias in this is obviously strong.

About the topic of emancipation on Palestinian children well i have a pic for you:

These are girls from israel signing the bombs before they were sent to kill Lebanese people, yeah no emancipation of hate in isreal AT ALL.

What a stupid thing to say about this image..
Some kids are writing on a missle , big deal .
at least they kids didnt cross the border with bombs under their clothes .
"were sent to kill Lebanese people" i dunno where to get this from , we never aim at people..
i believe israel is the only nation in the war that actually notifys it's opponent as of where the bomb is gonna hit in order for the people to evacuate

besides , if i were to bet here , i would say that almost 95% this kids are not israelis
why ? #1 its written in english , #2 they dont look israeli .

On January 12 2009 05:23 DustySwedeDude wrote: Except you didn't touch comment on my point that any man who hides behind women and children are a worm I still don't feel like it's fair to compare Israel with Hamas. I don't really care about the democracy aspect THAT much, but still. Hiding behind women and children vs fighting a war wearing uniforms. Also, who the fuck needs proper nuclear weapons? I'm pretty sure I could instruct a couple of random retards on how to make a dirty bomb if I had a nuclear power plant. And, not directet to you but to others. To say that Palestinians aren't people are stupid and sounds a scary, but I could go so far as to say that anyone who supports Hamas knowing their goals and everything lacks any human rights what so ever in my book.

I don't think a lack of uniforms is a good point to make. Armies generally dress so as to make themselves as hard to target as possible right? In a jungle its jungle camouflage. If they were to outright distinguish themselves from civillians in front of the israeli army it would be outright suicide. I'm not condoning seeking out places where there are many women and children near by, of course thats low and dispicable, but you can't expect them to be obvious about it either. And unfortunately its alot easier to be discreet about covert operations when there are people to blend in with.

yea like when israel 5 days ago bombed a school housing more than 100 refugees.. (killing between 30 and 40, multiple children)

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/intern...-moment39-as-Israelis-bomb.4850632.jp
"UN officials say they provided co-ordinates to Israel's army to ensure that such buildings were not targeted. The international Red Cross said an ambulance post was hit as well on Tuesday, injuring one medical worker."

On January 12 2009 01:22 TedHastings wrote: Do those of you arguing the Palestinian side understand that there never was a nation called "Palestine"? Before Israel existed the land was controlled by the British and before them the Ottomans; the West Bank was part of Jordan and the Gaza Strip, Egypt. Do you understand that Israel gained these territories in a war started by the Arab nations in an attempt to destroy the newly-created Jewish state? Hilarious to attack another nation, lose some of your land in the ensuing conflict, and then demand it back and suggest the country you attacked is violating your rights.

Well ya, the native populous just got out from the British shadow, and another set of people starts coming in by the boatload laying claim to the land? If I was native to that region I'd say "Fuck that, we're forming a country" too. And land occupied in war isn't necessarily land "gained" unless might makes right.

Do you understand that they are basically happy when innocent civilians die because they can use their deaths as propaganda?

You really think they're happy? Of course they use civilian deaths to try and gain sympathy but that doesn't mean they're happy about it. Many Hamas soldiers take up the cause because friends and family have been killed in the conflict.

The biggest barrier to a two-state compromise is not the Israeli government it's the radical Muslims with the stated goal of ending the existence of the Jewish state, period. After years and years of tension Fatah and the Israelis finally began to work together, so what did the Palestinians do? They voted out the people working to solve problems and chose instead to be led by a known terrorist organization. Notice that almost all the problems are happening in Gaza not the West Bank? Oh and by the way, if Israel is wrong for building a wall to separate their territory from Gaza then what is Egypt?

People in the west bank are still treated like shit. They're wisely choosing a non-violent route that will hopefully work out in the long run. And are you saying that its the egyptians that build the wall between egypt and gaza? because I was under the distinct impression that israel built that wall too.

Do you know the original UN plan establishing the state of Israel actually called for the establishment of a Palestinian state as well but Yassir Arafat refused it? I mean this is even in the Wikipedia article that was linked earlier, so are you guys choosing to ignore the facts? VanDerMeyde wants to talk about Israel ignoring UN resolutions but in post #39 implies that the Jews don't have a right to the land. Would I then be correct in inferring that you support UN dictates when they align with your personal beliefs only?

Nobody is saying Yassir Arafat helped the situation.

On January 12 2009 06:00 Kingsane wrote: What a stupid thing to say about this image.. Some kids are writing on a missle , big deal . at least they kids didnt cross the border with bombs under their clothes . "were sent to kill Lebanese people" i dunno where to get this from , we never aim at people.. i believe israel is the only nation in the war that actually notifys it's opponent as of where the bomb is gonna hit in order for the people to evacuate besides , if i were to bet here , i would say that almost 95% this kids are not israelis why ? #1 its written in english , #2 they dont look israeli .

When a 10 year old writes in a bomb that will kill people in a war based on racial hatred it is a big deal, you are a moron if you cant see it.

And yes, these kids dont cross the border with a grenade in their hands, however these kids have 100 times better life standards and they have much more options than a starving kid who has lived in poverty and opression all their life.

Also as Eri said civilians had been targeted many times by Israel.


Your last statement shows how absolutely clueless you are about this issue, that image is 100% real and they are israelis, here is another angle for you:

On January 12 2009 01:27 TedHastings wrote: Israel is far from perfect and has made some pretty bad decisions in the past, but they have both better motivations and more restraint than their opponents.

this keeps getting better and better.

edit: also lolown at baal's pics.