brambolius Netherlands. Jan 14 2009 11:08. Posts 1708
On January 14 2009 04:44 Zorglub wrote:
brambolius maybe you should read the thread before answering questions that has nothing to do with the original discussion.....
Who are the christians in Africa who wants to kill every one who is not a christian on this earth? how many are they? how many innocent people have they killed recently? please drag Africa in to it, if they really exist in greater numbers I certainly would like to know
This was the original question I asked, when you answered that their land was stolen:
"Why does Iran want Israelis dead? Why do Al Queda want Americans dead? Why do radical muslims in London kill 57 innocent people and injure 700? Why do radical muslims kill 3000 innocent people in USA? Why do radical muslims in Madrid kill 191 innocent people and wound another 1,755?"
Did these muslims kill because their land was stolen?
some of them yes, if not the land then it's recources, or family in other countries.
and i'm not going to elborate on Afrika becouse i like my time not wasted.
On January 13 2009 21:09 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Zorglub, dont you see that all these extreme powers and hatred against Israel is a result of all the apartheid caused by Israel against civilian palestines that I described more detailed in earlier posts ?
Yes I agree that it might be part of the problem, and I agree that Israel could and should do much more on some of those points you mentioned, but I think the other part of the problem is radical Islam and neither you or I or Israel can change that unfortunatly
But the Arabic states are agreeing to accept Israel as a nation as long as they go back to their original borders from 1967.
Israel turned this suggestion down. This is very very dangerous for Israel in the future. The hope is that the arabic nations is taking this suggestion up again
If Hamas and palestines are so bad human beeings, why have Israeli killed 3x as many palestinians as the other way around. If you look at the statistics, the arabic is killed in 1000's, these statistics is making very little sense to me if the Israeli army is so "human" (dont know this word in english)
Why do Iran want Israelis dead? Why do Al Queda want Americans dead? Why do radical muslims in London kill 57 innocent people and injure 700? Why do radical muslims kill 3000 innocent people in USA? Why do radical muslims in Madrid kill 191 innocent people and wound another 1,755? Why does Pakistan hate India and vice versa? Where all these radical muslims mistreated by the people they killed?
Maybe it is dangerous for Israel in the future if they dont act now...
Here is my ultimate paranoid fear, I fear this might be the beginning of world war 3, last time we had the great depression and a few years later WW2 started. Now we face the beginning of another great depression, and here is my fear:
If Israel falls and/or the radical muslims dont have that enemy to concentrate on any more, I fear the religious wackos will start their Jihad all around the world and find the next enemy, and they will not stop until Islam rules the earth as their holy book tells them.
Maybe one day it is us or them, we will have to fight no matter what, this might be WW3 but this time a very large portion of the enemy lives inside every country in the world, because as Islam states, every muslim must support other muslims above all, Islam is the most important thing, it goes above nationality, laws and everything.
Islam also says you can lie to non believers and even denounce your religion for a while if it serves a good purpose for Islam so who is who and are the moderates really moderate or just pretending to be for the greater good of Islam?. This time you dont even know who the enemy is, they might be police officers or soldiers or even politicians in your own country, if this war ever happens it is going to be devestating to everyone on this planet.
I hope im just paranoid and I hope we can do something so this scenario will never happen...
You are not just paranoid, but you are plain stupid.
I am athiest, and I try to not offend people as sometimes there an urge for me to tell them how stupid it is to live life by religion, but obviously you have NO IDEA what islam is and what it stands for and what is actually in quran.
Actually I dont think you have any idea whats really going on around the world.
Think about your questions again, and ALSO think about it a little outside your typical box. Maybe start with US politics. Iraq occupation, Iran-Iraq war, installing a dictatorship in iran... these movements are for oil and control in middle east... control of resources and land.
These islamist wackos... which I do not deny their existance are actually very very %. Frankly I think people in the east need them just to maybe slow down the infiltrating west. I hate to divide world like that but just to get a point a cross.
By the way, no matter what these wackos do... doesnt even come close to dirty politics and what has US has done.
This is it right here, you mentioned all the innocent people killed by these wackos, what about how many Iraqis or palestinians that have died recently...
But then again 1 christian/american/european life = 1000 others
Thats the US and them mentality you are used to and live by
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seatown12 United States. Jan 14 2009 13:16. Posts 1193
On January 14 2009 11:55 tester1 wrote:
This is it right here, you mentioned all the innocent people killed by these wackos, what about how many Iraqis or palestinians that have died recently...
Here's a question: who is killing the most Iraqis these days?
On January 14 2009 07:12 Baal wrote:
do you have to ask why AlQueda wants Americans dead? you seriously dont know the motivation of their causes? oh yeah, random religious maniacs who chose somebody to declare a jihad on to right?
Well, it has to do with the fact that we established air bases in Saudi Arabia with the agreement of the Saudi government, but fundamentalist Islam forbids infidels to be present near their holy sites, so your description is sadly pretty accurate.
On January 14 2009 10:08 brambolius wrote:
and i'm not going to elborate on Afrika becouse i like my time not wasted
You have at least 10 posts in this thread but have managed to say absolutely nothing, incredible.
On January 14 2009 12:16 TedHastings wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 14 2009 11:55 tester1 wrote:
This is it right here, you mentioned all the innocent people killed by these wackos, what about how many Iraqis or palestinians that have died recently...
Here's a question: who is killing the most Iraqis these days?
umm, American Military (Accidentals?) Black water group -> evening activity of drinking couple of beers and sniping some arabs.
No matter what the fuck is going on there... the death rate was much much lower before war...
Justify this fucking war Ted... WMD? Terrorism? Liberation of iraqi people from a dictatorship... Americans love to liberate people and help for sure.
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seatown12 United States. Jan 14 2009 17:14. Posts 1193
On January 14 2009 12:43 tester1 wrote:
umm, American Military (Accidentals?) Black water group -> evening activity of drinking couple of beers and sniping some arabs.
No matter what the fuck is going on there... the death rate was much much lower before war...
Justify this fucking war Ted... WMD? Terrorism? Liberation of iraqi people from a dictatorship... Americans love to liberate people and help for sure.
Of 24,159 reported civilian deaths in Iraq in 2007, 1,326 occurred as a result of fighting involving coalition forces, and 756 were directly attributable to US forces alone.
The idea was to liberate Iraq and promote democracy. Instead we turned their country into a clusterfuck and ruined our own economy in the process. But we are not the ones killing innocent Iraqis, for the most part.
Spasticlnk:
As I said in earlier posts (this is my personal opinion based on what I have seen so far):
- I think Israel is gonna get everything in my lifetime
- I think Israel should go back to the UN Partition plan from 1947 if they want to secure their nation with safe, secure borders
Im acctually worried about Israel in future because of the big mistakes they make now
On January 14 2009 11:55 tester1 wrote:
This is it right here, you mentioned all the innocent people killed by these wackos, what about how many Iraqis or palestinians that have died recently...
Here's a question: who is killing the most Iraqis these days?
On January 14 2009 07:12 Baal wrote:
do you have to ask why AlQueda wants Americans dead? you seriously dont know the motivation of their causes? oh yeah, random religious maniacs who chose somebody to declare a jihad on to right?
Well, it has to do with the fact that we established air bases in Saudi Arabia with the agreement of the Saudi government, but fundamentalist Islam forbids infidels to be present near their holy sites, so your description is sadly pretty accurate.
On January 14 2009 10:08 brambolius wrote:
and i'm not going to elborate on Afrika becouse i like my time not wasted
You have at least 10 posts in this thread but have managed to say absolutely nothing, incredible.
yes establishing a militar base in Saudi Arabia is ONE of the many reasons, now have you ever thought why in the fuck is united states stablishing a militar base in the heart of the middle east?, please dont say something like "to protect Kuwait from evil Hussein" or "to protect its interests in Saudi Arabia". France has HUGE interests in the middle east and it has no militar bases.
Really man, be really critical about it, you must aknowledge USA's hostily thowards the zone, here is another reasons why they hate americans, like when the CIA brought down the democratically ELECTED Iranian president and set up a dictator that favoured the US on oil issues, or the multiple wars in Iraq and Iran, the invasion to afghanistan.
How can nobody see that the US and Israel are rightfully hated because they have been abusing the zone for a long long time now, people are fed up and motivated by religious blindness they are manipulated into a jihad.
The media tries to portrail all of them like crazy religious fanatics that want infidels death, and sure there are people like that, many... but there are also many fundamentalists christian who think evolution is evil and protest in gay funerals "God hates fags" etc, but we are aware that is only a small fraction of the total population.
If you want to believe all of them are like that that is ok, live in ignorance and believe the media and be a manipulated fool, but truth is that these people are living in terrible conditions of poverty, if you add to that mix opression, stealing of lands and constant pressure for foreigners its obvious they are going to blow up and willing to give their lifes against a common enemy.
No you obviously didnt watch that movie, the point is some of you are very ignorant on Islam
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seatown12 United States. Jan 14 2009 23:31. Posts 1193
On January 14 2009 20:42 Baal wrote:
Really man, be really critical about it, you must aknowledge USA's hostily thowards the zone
truth is that these people are living in terrible conditions of poverty, if you add to that mix opression, stealing of lands and constant pressure for foreigners its obvious they are going to blow up and willing to give their lifes against a common enemy.
Just because I am critical of Hamas and the Arab governments does not mean I support all US actions, in fact contrary to the apparent majority opinion it is totally standard in this country to criticize the US's actions during the Cold War and we hear all the time about how we fucked up the Middle East and Latin America through our short sighted policies. I do think however that Hamas and the Arab governments have more to do with the suffering of the Palestinian people and that's why I have been focusing on them.
Bold comment is so sick.
On January 14 2009 20:22 SpasticInk wrote:
it's called ethnic cleansing + Show Spoiler +
These maps suffer from not showing shades of gray. The unclear and arbitrary designations "Jewish/Israeli land" and "Palestinian land" make it more suitable as a propaganda piece. Also as I made clear earlier it was the Palestinians who rejected the UN partition plan, the Israelis were more than willing to accept it.
Israel is a bastard apartheid zionist ruler, now please tell me where to find these compassionate Islamic countries that guarantees human rights, freedom of religion, democracy and peace for every one, where are these good islamic samaritans who would never do what Israel does?
After all, Islamic countries are very well known world wide for their peace and human rights and respect for other human beeings and religions right?
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