On January 13 2009 17:43 Sheitan wrote:
You can see it from any angles you want theres no doubt Israel triggered the war by declaring independence before the end of the British mandate... being 1 day or not, arabs ready to invade or not they made the first move.
How does a declaration of independence constitute an act of aggression? This only makes sense if you are from the camp who denies Israel's right even to exist, which would basically put you on an opposite but equal level with the Israeli who wrote that Palestinians are not human beings.
On January 13 2009 19:55 VanDerMeyde wrote: 1. Hamas was created by Israel in hope to cause complete chaos for PLO. When Hamas tried to develop politically into more moderate Israel splitted the group.
2. Zorglub, dont you see that all these extreme powers and hatred against Israel is a result of all the apartheid caused by Israel against civilian palestines that I described more detailed in earlier posts?
1. Please cite your source.
2. This is revisionist and inaccurate. The Arabs and Jews were fighting long before any of the actions you detailed occurred.
1. Kåre Willoch, very respected politician in Norway that had close connections to Shimon Perez and is our most respect middle-east expert. These facts were confirmed by Terje Rødner in big debates here in Norway. Terje Rødner is the founder of the pro-israeli internet site www.miff.no (with Israel for peace) As I said earlier, it seems like BASIC FACTS about this conflict that makes Israel not look as saints is missing in american media, and thats pretty sad that you have to eat all that propaganda from the jewish-lobby that control media and support your presidents. This is not the first debate I had with americans where they asked me for sources for BASIC FACTS that is even accepted by Ariel Sharon and Israeli congress (F.example Israels occupied land outside the 1967 borders wether or not this land is "occupied"
2. But Israel's occupation and tyranni against civilian palestines is not something that started to happend recently. Hundres of thousands Palestinian driven to be refugees and massacres by Ariel Sharon among others, builded some of the hate and made todays extremists grow as a goup. Let me just remind you that palestinians are not the founders of terrorist attacks in the middle east. Jewish and british had examples of terrorist attack against each other before palestinian people got into the region years later
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bober1 United States. Jan 13 2009 23:18. Posts 666
On January 13 2009 22:02 Baal wrote:
It is also the ultimate goal of the bible and the torah, god damnit stop playing that card because the other religions are the same.
Not that it particularly matters in this argument but the torah does not encourage converting others or taking over the world. In fact I'm pretty sure that Judaism is against searching for converts. I don't think religious motivations are that important for what's going on though. It's just people in horrible conditions turning to the only thing that can give them hope in their world. I'm sure they would stop believing in suicide bombings being great if they had anything to live for. Whether or not that is Israel's fault I don't really know enough to say, but neither side is doing what they ideally should be doing to help the situation.
Zorglub are you justifying Israels apartheid on palestinian civilian (which are both islam and christian btw, not just islam) by Islam is a evil religion because we had terrorist incidents on the other side of the planet ? As long as people excuse Israels ignoring UN-resolutions and Haag desition over these kind of incidents that palestine civilian took no part of, it takes away focus on what really matters: Israel must respect UN-resolutions / Haag decisions etc if it wants peace. And its starting to hurry unless the hatred, which is Israels biggest problem, will continue to grow and grow as long as Israel is not settling this conflict and make peace with the arabic world that already stated in 2002. They will accept Israel as a nation within their safe borders from BEFORE 1967. Israel turned this suggestion down, hopefully the arabic nations will bring up again this suggestion
On January 13 2009 22:23 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Zorglub are you justifying Israels apartheid on palestinian civilian (which are both islam and christian btw, not just islam) by Islam is a evil religion because we had terrorist incidents on the other side of the planet ? As long as people excuse Israels ignoring UN-resolutions and Haag desition over these kind of incidents that palestine civilian took no part of, it takes away focus on what really matters: Israel must respect UN-resolutions / Haag decisions etc if it wants peace. And its starting to hurry unless the hatred, which is Israels biggest problem, will continue to grow and grow as long as Israel is not settle this conflict and make peace with the arabic world that already said: They will accept Israel as a nation within their safe borders from BEFORE 1967.
I am asking you, WHY DID THOSE MUSLIMS KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE WHEN THEY WERE NEVER SUBJECTED TO ANY APARTHEID?
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milkman United States. Jan 13 2009 23:39. Posts 5719
On January 13 2009 22:23 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Zorglub are you justifying Israels apartheid on palestinian civilian (which are both islam and christian btw, not just islam) by Islam is a evil religion because we had terrorist incidents on the other side of the planet ? As long as people excuse Israels ignoring UN-resolutions and Haag desition over these kind of incidents that palestine civilian took no part of, it takes away focus on what really matters: Israel must respect UN-resolutions / Haag decisions etc if it wants peace. And its starting to hurry unless the hatred, which is Israels biggest problem, will continue to grow and grow as long as Israel is not settle this conflict and make peace with the arabic world that already said: They will accept Israel as a nation within their safe borders from BEFORE 1967.
I am asking you, WHY DID THOSE MUSLIMS KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE WHEN THEY WERE NEVER SUBJECTED TO ANY APARTHEID?
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seatown12 United States. Jan 13 2009 23:52. Posts 1193
On January 13 2009 22:16 VanDerMeyde wrote:
1. Kåre Willoch, very respected politician in Norway that had close connections to Shimon Perez and is our most respect middle-east expert. These facts were confirmed by Terje Rødner in big debates here in Norway. Terje Rødner is the founder of the pro-israeli internet site www.miff.no (with Israel for peace) As I said earlier, it seems like BASIC FACTS about this conflict that makes Israel not look as saints is missing in american media, and thats pretty sad that you have to eat all that propaganda from the jewish-lobby that control media and support your presidents. This is not the first debate I had with americans where they asked me for sources for BASIC FACTS that is even accepted by Ariel Sharon and Israeli congress (F.example Israels occupied land outside the 1967 borders wether or not this land is "occupied"
2. But Israel's occupation and tyranni against civilian palestines is not something that started to happend recently. Hundres of thousands Palestinian driven to be refugees and massacres by Ariel Sharon among others, builded some of the hate and made todays extremists grow as a goup. Let me just remind you that palestinians are not the founders of terrorist attacks in the middle east. Jewish and british had examples of terrorist attack against each other before palestinian people got into the region years later
1. I am asking for evidence that Israel created Hamas, not that they recognized them or even may have supported them in their early years, but that they created the group and had significant control over its growth and development. I contest that this is a "basic fact" but if you can show me one credible source to support your claim I will concede the point. And, once again, please do not speak on the American media unless you have done a comprehensive content analysis contrasting its coverage with that of European news outlets.
2. Jews and Arabs were killing each other in the 1920s so I don't think it's Ariel Sharon's fault either. There is no right or wrong in this conflict there are just two groups of people who for whatever reason have refused to coexist and would rather kill each other in an endless blood feud over a piece of land roughly the size of the state of New Jersey. For my part, I just want it to be over, especially because my country's masochistic alliance with Israel has played a large role in making most of the Middle East hate us. The reason I am so opposed to Hamas is because I feel like Israel and Fatah were finally starting to make progress when Hamas took control and fucked it all up. Once again I'll draw attention to the fact that almost all the problems these days are in Gaza, not the West Bank.
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seatown12 United States. Jan 13 2009 23:57. Posts 1193
On January 13 2009 22:23 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Israel must respect UN-resolutions / Haag decisions etc if it wants peace. And its starting to hurry unless the hatred, which is Israels biggest problem, will continue to grow and grow as long as Israel is not settling this conflict and make peace with the arabic world that already stated in 2002.
I think we can all agree that Israelis in general are the most inept diplomats ever seen in the modern era, including the Bush administration.
1. I dont know if Israel had significant control over Hamas growth and development. I heard several times on TV news and debates that Israel started the group and then lost control over it, much like USA and Al-Qaida. And the purpose of this group from Israel's side was to create intern chaos between PLO and Hamas. Im just a norwegian poker player and not a politician, I usually debate this subject with norwegians, but I can try to find a good document about this online. These kind of things I dont have ready on my computer, but If I were some politician that had this subject as a job I would understand this demand from you obviously. You might be right about Israeli just founded them, and not acctually creating the group, but im gonna try to find some good source for you here.
2. I agree but I also think it is a little simplyfied, because this conflict is not between 2 equal parts, its one group occupying and one group been occupied. The biggest responsibilty is obviously to the stronger part, especially since this part is sponsored military and economically by USA and founded by UN.
Zorglub wrote: "I am asking you, WHY DID THOSE MUSLIMS KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE WHEN THEY WERE NEVER SUBJECTED TO ANY APARTHEID?"
I again ask for relevance. I cant sit here and defend every single thing some muslim did wrong in the history of mankind. The incidents you mentioned had little or no relevance to the palestine people. Let me remind you that there are both muslim palestines but also, forgotten by many, christian palestines. I dont really think arabs og asian people are more evil than us, which seems to me to be your point here, but i might agree that christianity as a religion has come further than Islam. But dont forget that christians has massive amounts of blood on their hands, lets just mention the crusades for one.
The relevance is as I stated earlier, the apartheid from the Israelis is only part of the problem, the other part is that radical muslims like Hamas wants to kill any one who is not muslim no matter if they ever were subjected to apartheid or any wrong doing. They want to kill because their holy book tells them to do it, even if they had been treated like kings for all of their lifes.
"The slogan of Hamas is "God is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Qur'an its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of God is the loftiest of its wishes."citation needed] Hamas states that its objective is to support the oppressed and wronged and "to bring about justice and defeat injustice, in word and deed." Hamas has stated that "the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf (trust) consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day," and as such, the land cannot be negotiated away by any political leader.[citation needed] The 1988 Hamas Covenant states that "so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences" are "in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement", stating "there is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad".[64]
Hamas's charter calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic Republic in their historic homeland of Palestine, in place of Israel.[58] Hamas sees this view as an Islamic religious duty and prophesy that comes directly from Hadith.[59] In 1999, late Hamas co-founder Sheikh Ahmed Yassin mentioned the year 2027 as the possible date for the "disappearance" of Israel.[60] The group has not issued a clear statement about how it would deal with the current population of Israel, should it succeed in overthrowing Israeli and secular Palestinian government. Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi, one of its co-founders, stated that the movement's goal is "to remove Israel from the map".[61]"
These are the people you are trying to reason with...
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"The six-month ceasefire was set to start from 19 June 2008. Israeli officials initially declined to confirm or deny the agreement [78] while Hamas announced that "it] will adhere to the timetable which was set by Egypt but it is Hamas's right to respond to any Israeli aggression before its implementation".[79] When asked if he could envision a 50-year hudna (cease-fire) with Israel, Hamas leader Nizar Rayyan responded, "The only reason to have a hudna is to prepare yourself for the final battle. We don't need 50 years to prepare ourselves for the final battle with Israel. Israel is an impossibility. It is an offense against God.""
When do you realize that these guys are religious maniacs, they clearly state it themselves, they only want a cease fire so they can get strong enough to kill every Israeli, and after that you and I are next, wake up god dammit!
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On January 13 2009 20:15 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Zorgluc, let me remind you that through history, the occupant has always claimed the occupated to be "terrorist" and therefor refuse to go into negotiations with them. British did it with their colonies, French did it, Americans did it. If you want to get peace, enemies HAVE to meet and talk. Read Nelson Mandela. And it must be Israel taking the initiative for this because Israel is the strong part in this conflict. And as I already mentioned, for us that care about Israels future and civilians, they absolute have to act now while arabic states are still willing to accept Israel exsistense if they meet the requirement of going back into their original borders from before 1967.
A lot of the people claiming to be "Israels friends" is doing Israel a massive disfavour by encouraging them with their illegal occupation and not respecting UN-resolutions that will secure Israel in the future when USA / Europe dont have the position we have today.
Yes I dont really care if they are freedom fighters or terrorist, what I am saying is how can you ever make peace with someone who only wants you dead? It is simply not possible as long as that is their goal, and because they are radical muslims I have my doubts they will ever change this ultimate goal because if you interpret the quran in a radical way, the ultimate goal is for Islam to rule earth and every one who does not believe in Islam must be killed
It is also the ultimate goal of the bible and the torah, god damnit stop playing that card because the other religions are the same.
Right, tell me where to find the christians who want to kill every one who dont believe and make christianity the only religion on earth, how many are they? how many innocent people have they killed recently?
And besides your point is totally irrelevant in this context, the fact is Hamas wants every Israli dead but Israelis dont want every palestinian dead
First of all answer this, do you aknowledge that the bible and torah encourage the murder of non-believers so the entire world professes their religions YES OR NO answer this god dammnit, if you insist on NO, ill pimp slap you with a dozen quotes.
ok now about the followers and not the books, ill give u a brief example:
oh but about current deaths founded on christian foundamentalism, here is a quotes from your dear friend Mr. G. W. Bush.
I am driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did.
Do you want me to post videos of fundamentalist christians claiming that ALL the middle east should dissapear, and that all atheist should die?... do you want me to slap with those?
oh and about Israel not wanting to kill Palestinians well, even our israeli friend in our god damn forum stated that Palestinians WERE NOT PEOPLE....., thats not the kind of speech i expect from a guy who doesnt want palestinians dead.
On January 13 2009 20:15 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Zorgluc, let me remind you that through history, the occupant has always claimed the occupated to be "terrorist" and therefor refuse to go into negotiations with them. British did it with their colonies, French did it, Americans did it. If you want to get peace, enemies HAVE to meet and talk. Read Nelson Mandela. And it must be Israel taking the initiative for this because Israel is the strong part in this conflict. And as I already mentioned, for us that care about Israels future and civilians, they absolute have to act now while arabic states are still willing to accept Israel exsistense if they meet the requirement of going back into their original borders from before 1967.
A lot of the people claiming to be "Israels friends" is doing Israel a massive disfavour by encouraging them with their illegal occupation and not respecting UN-resolutions that will secure Israel in the future when USA / Europe dont have the position we have today.
Yes I dont really care if they are freedom fighters or terrorist, what I am saying is how can you ever make peace with someone who only wants you dead? It is simply not possible as long as that is their goal, and because they are radical muslims I have my doubts they will ever change this ultimate goal because if you interpret the quran in a radical way, the ultimate goal is for Islam to rule earth and every one who does not believe in Islam must be killed
It is also the ultimate goal of the bible and the torah, god damnit stop playing that card because the other religions are the same.
Right, tell me where to find the christians who want to kill every one who dont believe and make christianity the only religion on earth, how many are they? how many innocent people have they killed recently?
And besides your point is totally irrelevant in this context, the fact is Hamas wants every Israli dead but Israelis dont want every palestinian dead
First of all answer this, do you aknowledge that the bible and torah encourage the murder of non-believers so the entire world professes their religions YES OR NO answer this god dammnit, if you insist on NO, ill pimp slap you with a dozen quotes.
ok now about the followers and not the books, ill give u a brief example:
oh but about current deaths founded on christian foundamentalism, here is a quotes from your dear friend Mr. G. W. Bush.
I am driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did.
Do you want me to post videos of fundamentalist christians claiming that ALL the middle east should dissapear, and that all atheist should die?... do you want me to slap with those?
oh and about Israel not wanting to kill Palestinians well, even our israeli friend in our god damn forum stated that Palestinians WERE NOT PEOPLE....., thats not the kind of speech i expect from a guy who doesnt want palestinians dead.
All of your bullshit is once again totally irrelevant to the topic me and VanDerMeyde discussed except for your last sentence which doesn't really prove anything at all, but just so you dont get too high blood pressure I will respond to your stupid questions anyway
Yes they probably do encourage the murder of non-believers but im not really scared because those religions abandoned that practise decades ago, and only very few would ever do that today
Now for your GWB quote, even if he was a christian maniac, his goal was not to take over the earth and kill every one who wasn't christian and he did not kill because of his religion, but lets ignore all of that so you dont get sad, congrats you found one christian maniac willing to kill every non christian and take over the world
No thanks I dont really care about anyone who dont like a certain group of people, I was asking for religious christians who wanted to kill every non christian on this earth remember?
Oh and congrats you also found an Israeli who didn't consider palestinians humans, yes he must want every palestinian dead, and he is Israeli so the elected government of Israel must also want to kill every palestinian when he does, congrats you really pimp slapped the shit out of me and totally fucking owned everything!
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On January 13 2009 23:37 Zorglub wrote:
The relevance is as I stated earlier, the apartheid from the Israelis is only part of the problem, the other part is that radical muslims like Hamas wants to kill any one who is not muslim no matter if they ever were subjected to apartheid or any wrong doing. They want to kill because their holy book tells them to do it, even if they had been treated like kings for all of their lifes.
"The slogan of Hamas is "God is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Qur'an its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of God is the loftiest of its wishes."citation needed] Hamas states that its objective is to support the oppressed and wronged and "to bring about justice and defeat injustice, in word and deed." Hamas has stated that "the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf (trust) consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day," and as such, the land cannot be negotiated away by any political leader.[citation needed] The 1988 Hamas Covenant states that "so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences" are "in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement", stating "there is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad".[64]
Hamas's charter calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic Republic in their historic homeland of Palestine, in place of Israel.[58] Hamas sees this view as an Islamic religious duty and prophesy that comes directly from Hadith.[59] In 1999, late Hamas co-founder Sheikh Ahmed Yassin mentioned the year 2027 as the possible date for the "disappearance" of Israel.[60] The group has not issued a clear statement about how it would deal with the current population of Israel, should it succeed in overthrowing Israeli and secular Palestinian government. Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi, one of its co-founders, stated that the movement's goal is "to remove Israel from the map".[61]"
These are the people you are trying to reason with...
I think you are generalizing way too much. I know palestines that dont believe in using violence to solve problems. I havent read the coran, and I probably never will. I will not be suprised if it contains bullshit like you described in earlier posts, but bullshit is part of the bible as well. "Jews are Gods chosen people" f.example. I believe its mostly about how you read it and choses to live after it personally. As I said earlier, I dont believe Christinity is better than Islam, but I DO believe that Christianity has come further as a religion than Islam has.
The Hamas charter shows how extremists and violent people will use Israels violence as an excuse for their "case". This happens also in Iran and other arabic countries and THIS is whats dangerous for Israel in the long run. This is why real friends of Israel is warning about Israel have to try to make peace NOW with arabic states so they will have their land permanently and not having to be in war with growing nations such as Iran in 50-60 years, who knows how the world will look like then? Will Israel's safety be guaranteed if they continue like they do now? Some well known Israeli scientists/thinkers have written well known books about this subject, I will get more into this tomorrow.
VanDerMeyde Hamas is not the same as palestinians in general, you must distinguis between the two. Palestinians can be Hamas but Hamas is not palestinians in generel Hamas is the religious group/ political party that won 75 seats out of 118 in the Gaza election, so some of the palestinians did not vote for them. But no matter what you come up with for excuses for Hamas I encourage you to search some more information about them yourself, these guys are religious maniacs there is no doubt about it and they are very dangerous.
Please find some non biased information about them yourself. This does not make palestinians in general religious maniacs, while some of them are, many of them voted for Hamas out of desperation against Israel, partly because of the things you mentioned and that is why I also agree that Israel should make things better for palestinians so they hopefully dont vote for religious maniacs next time
Fatah who won on the west bank does not have the destruction of Israel on their charter and consequently they may be able to make peace with the Israelis, and the west bank does not have all the trouble Gaza has
On January 13 2009 20:15 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Zorgluc, let me remind you that through history, the occupant has always claimed the occupated to be "terrorist" and therefor refuse to go into negotiations with them. British did it with their colonies, French did it, Americans did it. If you want to get peace, enemies HAVE to meet and talk. Read Nelson Mandela. And it must be Israel taking the initiative for this because Israel is the strong part in this conflict. And as I already mentioned, for us that care about Israels future and civilians, they absolute have to act now while arabic states are still willing to accept Israel exsistense if they meet the requirement of going back into their original borders from before 1967.
A lot of the people claiming to be "Israels friends" is doing Israel a massive disfavour by encouraging them with their illegal occupation and not respecting UN-resolutions that will secure Israel in the future when USA / Europe dont have the position we have today.
Yes I dont really care if they are freedom fighters or terrorist, what I am saying is how can you ever make peace with someone who only wants you dead? It is simply not possible as long as that is their goal, and because they are radical muslims I have my doubts they will ever change this ultimate goal because if you interpret the quran in a radical way, the ultimate goal is for Islam to rule earth and every one who does not believe in Islam must be killed
It is also the ultimate goal of the bible and the torah, god damnit stop playing that card because the other religions are the same.
Right, tell me where to find the christians who want to kill every one who dont believe and make christianity the only religion on earth, how many are they? how many innocent people have they killed recently?
Right, don't make me drag Africa into this lol
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brambolius Netherlands. Jan 14 2009 04:34. Posts 1708
On January 13 2009 22:23 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Zorglub are you justifying Israels apartheid on palestinian civilian (which are both islam and christian btw, not just islam) by Islam is a evil religion because we had terrorist incidents on the other side of the planet ? As long as people excuse Israels ignoring UN-resolutions and Haag desition over these kind of incidents that palestine civilian took no part of, it takes away focus on what really matters: Israel must respect UN-resolutions / Haag decisions etc if it wants peace. And its starting to hurry unless the hatred, which is Israels biggest problem, will continue to grow and grow as long as Israel is not settle this conflict and make peace with the arabic world that already said: They will accept Israel as a nation within their safe borders from BEFORE 1967.
I am asking you, WHY DID THOSE MUSLIMS KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE WHEN THEY WERE NEVER SUBJECTED TO ANY APARTHEID?
BECOUSE THEIR LAND WAS STOLEN, IF SOME ONE MARCHED INTO MY COUNTRY TELLING ME TO FUCK OFF I WOULD GET PRETTY PISSED TOO.
brambolius maybe you should read the thread before answering questions that has nothing to do with the original discussion.....
Who are the christians in Africa who wants to kill every one who is not a christian on this earth? how many are they? how many innocent people have they killed recently? please drag Africa in to it, if they really exist in greater numbers I certainly would like to know
This was the original question I asked, when you answered that their land was stolen:
"Why does Iran want Israelis dead? Why do Al Queda want Americans dead? Why do radical muslims in London kill 57 innocent people and injure 700? Why do radical muslims kill 3000 innocent people in USA? Why do radical muslims in Madrid kill 191 innocent people and wound another 1,755?"
Did these muslims kill because their land was stolen?
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seatown12 United States. Jan 14 2009 06:36. Posts 1193
On January 14 2009 01:09 VanDerMeyde wrote:
The Hamas charter shows how extremists and violent people will use Israels violence as an excuse for their "case". This happens also in Iran and other arabic countries and THIS is whats dangerous for Israel in the long run. This is why real friends of Israel is warning about Israel have to try to make peace NOW with arabic states so they will have their land permanently and not having to be in war with growing nations such as Iran in 50-60 years
This is one of the more intelligent statements so far in the thread, but even if Israel does allow for the creation of an independent Palestinian state, will that definitely end the violence? Why will no Arab countries accept the Palestinians, why did Saddam Hussein used to donate $10k to the families of suicide bombers but not to for instance build schools or hospitals, why does Iran pump money into Hezbollah? The Arabs don't want Israel to exist and are using the Palestinian situation as a PR ploy to turn the world against the Israelis, and the Israelis are just stupid enough to play along. If that particular crisis were resolved it would be something else. I mean, Amadinejad and others have said publicly that their goal is to eliminate Israel.
On January 13 2009 17:43 Sheitan wrote:
YEHIDA MASSACRE
KHISAS MASSACRE
QAZAZA MASSACRE
AL-SHEIKH VILLAGE MASSACRE
DEIR YASSIN MASSACRE
NASER AL-DIN MASSACRE
BEIT DARAS MASSACRE
THE DAHMASH MOSQUE MASSACRE
DAWAYMA MASSACRE
SHARAFAT MASSACRE
KIBYA MASSACRE
KAFR QASEM MASSACRE
AL-SAMMOU' MASSACRE
THE SABRA AND SHATILLA MASSACRE
OYON QARA MASSACRE
AL-AQSA MOSQUE MASSACRE
THE IBRAHIMI MOSQUE MASSACRE
THE JABALIA MASSACRE
ERETZ CHECKPOINT MASSACRE
WAIT... HOLD ON... I..THINK..IM..BEGINNING.. TO SEE A PATTERN... FORMING IN THIS LIST...
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On January 14 2009 04:44 Zorglub wrote:
brambolius maybe you should read the thread before answering questions that has nothing to do with the original discussion.....
Who are the christians in Africa who wants to kill every one who is not a christian on this earth? how many are they? how many innocent people have they killed recently? please drag Africa in to it, if they really exist in greater numbers I certainly would like to know
This was the original question I asked, when you answered that their land was stolen:
"Why does Iran want Israelis dead? Why do Al Queda want Americans dead? Why do radical muslims in London kill 57 innocent people and injure 700? Why do radical muslims kill 3000 innocent people in USA? Why do radical muslims in Madrid kill 191 innocent people and wound another 1,755?"
Did these muslims kill because their land was stolen?
do you have to ask why AlQueda wants Americans dead? you seriously dont know the motivation of their causes? oh yeah, random religious maniacs who chose somebody to declare a jihad on to right?
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citation needed] Hamas states that its objective is to support the oppressed and wronged and "to bring about justice and defeat injustice, in word and deed." Hamas has stated that "the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf (trust) consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day," and as such, the land cannot be negotiated away by any political leader.[citation needed] The 1988 Hamas Covenant states that "so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences" are "in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement", stating "there is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad".[64]
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