On January 12 2009 21:44 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Zorglub, UN has numerous amount of times stated that Israel must withdraw (?) (damn my english sucks) to their original borders from 1967. One of the resolutions typically pointed to is 242
This is what UN is working for exactly what you describe. Trading the borders for peace is what is needed to be done if this conflict is to EVER END. What is the alternative ?
Yea but one of the conditions in resolution 242 is that the palestinians must accept Israel as a sovereign nation and Hamas refuses to do that, they want Israel off the map so as long as they have power, peace is never going to happen
(ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force
So what can we do to get peace then
If I knew that I would be a nobel prize winner
The solution is not foundin a state of jews in the middle of the arab world, same reason why you dont found a huge ass black community in the middle or rural alabama.
wow kill yourself, people need to learn how to coexist, ur solution is segregation? not to mention how many black communities exist in alabama but are pretty much segregated from the white ones. Intergration is happening now albeit very slowly. There was and still is a lot of racial violence way 'even' in America, but it never got better until the African American community started having non violent protests for equal rights, there is no solution to the crisis that is violent.
lol, I disagree though. The moderate Muslims need to start combating the extremists and if they continue their silent complicity, they all need to face annihilation in the name of peace.
brambolius Netherlands. Jan 13 2009 12:47. Posts 1708
maybe we can get some turtles and breed them.
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Liquid`Drone Norway. Jan 13 2009 12:52. Posts 3096
meh norway wasnt all that raped by the nazis, norway was probably the occupied country that suffered the least in the entire world during ww2. there was still a significant resistance though. but the germans liked us, we were basically more aryan than they were. a couple cities up north got raped pretty hard but overall we probably suffered significantly less (of course this is impossible to actually measure, so just bear with me) during ww2 than palestinians have done for the past 40 years.
lol POKER
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Liquid`Drone Norway. Jan 13 2009 12:52. Posts 3096
and punishing for silent complicity? do you understand what that would entail?
Yeah, Nazi's even accepted Norwegian flags at Oscarborg castle after they occupied us. Hitler thought we would welcome them into our country because we feared the russians / english even. He was kinda wrong thou
What we should be VERY happy about is that one of the last Nazi's plan, after they realized they could not win the war, was to ship all their troops into Norway and turn this beautiful country of ours to a gigantic bunker. Think about it, they could have held Norway for a long time with all our fjorder, mountains and generally hard terrain for attack but good for defending. For some reason they didnt put this plan into practice. Probably because of Hitlers pride
On January 13 2009 11:52 Liquid`Drone wrote:
and punishing for silent complicity? do you understand what that would entail?
Nothing that hasn't happened again and again since the beginning of time and is actually going on right now at the hands of an Islamic regime.
Anyways, I am not advocating genocide just to be clear. But I just don't buy the line that these stupid peace talks and cease fires are actually accomplishing anything.
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seatown12 United States. Jan 13 2009 13:54. Posts 1193
On a national scale. The only lasting solution.
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Svenman87 United States. Jan 13 2009 13:58. Posts 4636
It's amazing how many copy cat threads there are and how the same basic arguments arise for each side, with the same players ofc on different teams ofc
Drone I know you and where you stand politically from other discussions mostly on tl.net but what I miss from you in this one is objectivity, you havent yet said anything that muslims did wrong, dont you think it would be nice if moderate muslims spoke up and distanced themselves from radical muslims terrorist acts like WTC, Madrid and Londons bombings comitted in the name of their religion?
Dont you think they should do that at all?
I think they owe it to the world and to themselves to speak up and condemn these acts comitted wrongfully against civilians and muslims too, these radicals are abusing Islam which is far worse in my eyes than simply beeing a non believer. These radicals are destroying the image of Islam all over the world, and thus they are also destroying the image of moderate muslims if they dont speak up and distance themselves
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On January 13 2009 12:58 Svenman87 wrote:
It's amazing how many copy cat threads there are and how the same basic arguments arise for each side, with the same players ofc on different teams ofc
I just take the position opposite whatever position ball takes
On January 13 2009 12:58 Svenman87 wrote:
It's amazing how many copy cat threads there are and how the same basic arguments arise for each side, with the same players ofc on different teams ofc
I just take the position opposite whatever position ball takes
are incorrect, I think it's reasonable to conclude that Palestinian Arabs either support directly (57%) attacks on Israeli fucking civilians or indirectly support the terrorist organizations who commit these acts.
I think it's reasonable to conclude from this that the Palestinan Arabs, as an entity, want to destroy Israel. In warfare, if an enemy aims for total annihilation of a state, that state should attempt to destroy the enemy to ensure it's own survival.
Whether these numbers stand up to rigorous statistical scrutiny is not something that I can determine myself given that I lack the qualifications. But if they're not true, that tells us something else. Who is lying? This person's agenda is clear and in spreading this propaganda, they have shown themselves to be the agitator and the enemy here.
900 palestinian killed against 3 israeli after war started on Gaza
300 : 1
What Israel is doing now is very dangerous for Israel's future. Its gonna build up a lot of hatred and recruiting to extremists. Not only from palestines but from other countries as well. The world might look different 50 years form now and I see some extreme cultures uses Israel/Palestine conflict as an excuse for their actions.
It is very important now that Israel is making peace with the arabic world by moving back to its original borders from before 1967, works for 2 state solution etc while USA / Europe and Israel still can guarantee for Israels safety. We might regret not doing this in 50 year, take my word (Well this is a famous Norwegian politician called "Kåre Willochs" words anyway, but everyone need to hear them, ESPECIALLY friends of Israel)
On January 12 2009 21:37 Sheitan wrote:
Yeah they do that to save the face and berate Israelis for the exactions they commit on a daily basis directly or indirectly like the sabra and shatila massacre.
Also, the arab coalition rejected the UN proposal but did not intend in the first place to attack Israel, Egypt/Syria/Jordan/Lebanon/Iraq invaded Israel when the Israelian government declared its independence, which was actually an unilateral decision.
If these things happen on a daily basis why'd you have to go back to 1982 for an example?
Israel declared independence the day before they were scheduled to receive it anyway. The five Arab states attacked them the very next day. So your idea is that the Arabs were so upset about one extra day of a Jewish state in the Middle East that they were able to mobilize their combined militaries and initiate conflict in a span of 24 hours?
I'm sure the people who were in favor of "separate but equal" would agree wholeheartedly with this sentiment.
YEHIDA MASSACRE
KHISAS MASSACRE
QAZAZA MASSACRE
AL-SHEIKH VILLAGE MASSACRE
DEIR YASSIN MASSACRE
NASER AL-DIN MASSACRE
BEIT DARAS MASSACRE
THE DAHMASH MOSQUE MASSACRE
DAWAYMA MASSACRE
SHARAFAT MASSACRE
KIBYA MASSACRE
KAFR QASEM MASSACRE
AL-SAMMOU' MASSACRE
THE SABRA AND SHATILLA MASSACRE
OYON QARA MASSACRE
AL-AQSA MOSQUE MASSACRE
THE IBRAHIMI MOSQUE MASSACRE
THE JABALIA MASSACRE
ERETZ CHECKPOINT MASSACRE
And many more but with less casualties... I mentioned sabra because its one of the most famous and the international community reacted to it.
Also, obv the arab coalition was prepared to attack Israel just as much as the jews were prepared to defend it.
You can see it from any angles you want theres no doubt Israel triggered the war by declaring independence before the end of the British mandate... being 1 day or not, arabs ready to invade or not they made the first move.
On January 13 2009 16:32 VanDerMeyde wrote:
900 palestinian killed against 3 israeli after war started on Gaza
300 : 1
What Israel is doing now is very dangerous for Israel's future. Its gonna build up a lot of hatred and recruiting to extremists. Not only from palestines but from other countries as well. The world might look different 50 years form now and I see some extreme cultures uses Israel/Palestine conflict as an excuse for their actions.
It is very important now that Israel is making peace with the arabic world by moving back to its original borders from before 1967, works for 2 state solution etc while USA / Europe and Israel still can guarantee for Israels safety. We might regret not doing this in 50 year, take my word (Well this is a famous Norwegian politician called "Kåre Willochs" words anyway, but everyone need to hear them, ESPECIALLY friends of Israel)
this....
900 to 3...
yeah poor israel lol, and Roald gtfo u have proven in previous thread that you are absolutely retarded who on earth gave u a red nick.
On January 13 2009 16:32 VanDerMeyde wrote:
900 palestinian killed against 3 israeli after war started on Gaza
300 : 1
What Israel is doing now is very dangerous for Israel's future. Its gonna build up a lot of hatred and recruiting to extremists. Not only from palestines but from other countries as well. The world might look different 50 years form now and I see some extreme cultures uses Israel/Palestine conflict as an excuse for their actions.
It is very important now that Israel is making peace with the arabic world by moving back to its original borders from before 1967, works for 2 state solution etc while USA / Europe and Israel still can guarantee for Israels safety. We might regret not doing this in 50 year, take my word (Well this is a famous Norwegian politician called "Kåre Willochs" words anyway, but everyone need to hear them, ESPECIALLY friends of Israel)
this....
900 to 3...
yeah poor israel lol, and Roald gtfo u have proven in previous thread that you are absolutely retarded who on earth gave u a red nick.
haha yeah me and the other 90% of people that think you're a fucking tool.
On January 13 2009 16:32 VanDerMeyde wrote:
900 palestinian killed against 3 israeli after war started on Gaza
300 : 1
What Israel is doing now is very dangerous for Israel's future. Its gonna build up a lot of hatred and recruiting to extremists. Not only from palestines but from other countries as well. The world might look different 50 years form now and I see some extreme cultures uses Israel/Palestine conflict as an excuse for their actions.
It is very important now that Israel is making peace with the arabic world by moving back to its original borders from before 1967, works for 2 state solution etc while USA / Europe and Israel still can guarantee for Israels safety. We might regret not doing this in 50 year, take my word (Well this is a famous Norwegian politician called "Kåre Willochs" words anyway, but everyone need to hear them, ESPECIALLY friends of Israel)
From 2000 to 2007 Hamas killed 542 civilians in suicide bombings, and wounded and maimed additional thousands of civilians
And besides, they only killed 3 (11) because their weapons and training sucks, If they had the same weapons Israel have they would have killed as many Israelis as they could, they would not have spared any civilian lives at all. Their lack of modern weapons is no fucking excuse for their ill will
Its totally fucking stupid of Hamas to keep attacking when they know they are going to get beat up, and then when they get their ass kicked they start crying to the international community, wtf did they expect when they send 3000 rockets over the border and keep on doing it?
Its like if I hit a big bouncer with my fist in the head for a week, and when he finally lose patience and break my arm I run to the police and cry about abuse
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