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Submitted by : fakeshaver

Full Tilt Poker Game #9927750054: Table Jeanne (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:44:01 ET - 2009/01/08
Seat 1: fakeshaver ($26.85)
Seat 2: Hurley4053 ($27.35)
Seat 3: Stones Roses ($26.30)
Seat 4: gironimo1 ($33.80)
Seat 5: MUCKEMUHH ($25)
Seat 6: Nysashchasam ($25.80)
Stones Roses posts the small blind of $0.10
gironimo1 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2

Holecards
Dealt to fakeshaver
MUCKEMUHH folds
Nysashchasam folds
fakeshaver has 15 seconds left to act
fakeshaver raises to $0.85
Hurley4053 folds
Stones Roses folds
gironimo1 calls $0.60

Flop (Pot : $1.80)

   
gironimo1 bets $1
fakeshaver raises to $3
gironimo1 calls $2

Turn (Pot : $7.80)

   
gironimo1 bets $6.75
fakeshaver calls $6.75

River (Pot : $21.30)

   
gironimo1 has 15 seconds left to act
gironimo1 bets $23.20, and is all in
fakeshaver has 15 seconds left to act
fakeshaver has requested TIME
fakeshaver adds $8.75
fakeshaver folds
Uncalled bet of $23.20 returned to gironimo1
gironimo1 mucks
gironimo1 wins the pot ($20.25)

Summary
Total pot $21.30 | Rake $1.05
Board:
Seat 1: fakeshaver folded on the River
Seat 2: Hurley4053 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Stones Roses (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: gironimo1 (big blind) collected ($20.25), mucked
Seat 5: MUCKEMUHH didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Nysashchasam didn't bet (folded)

so.. no other information at all?

looks like a standard fold what the hell do you beat except a stone cold bluff

any reads? or reasons for not raising turn?

i think flatting turn is pretty standard

you forgot to jam turn

then you forgot to call river

he nearly pots turn, you can't really call this and not expect to stack off on river or expect him to check it to you unless he's super bluffy and gives up after like 2 barrels a lot.
i'm assuming villain will have a hand here, if it beats you, that i don't really know without any reads, but he does like his hand.

jamming turn is stupid unless villain is absolutely retarded

calling turn is fine. but river is definately a call

i like jamming turn. there are a lot of bad cards that can kill action on the river like a Q or a J or a A or a 8 or a club (sort of). villian's line makes no sense which is a pretty big read that he is retarded....

so... what does your one pair beat that he bets out on the river for value?

do you seriously think he does this with Kx...

yes

well, the only reason i would clal turn is because he's going to spaz bluff the river so that makes it a snap.

and against a sensible player if you jam turn you only get called by hands that beat you and fold out all worse hands, which is called spew.

jamming turn is a play reserved for absolute fucktards in my book.

On January 08 2009 16:10 geometryb wrote: well, the only reason i would clal turn is because he's going to spaz bluff the river on brick rivers so that makes it a snap.

just by looking at the hand, you can tell the villian isn't a "sensible" player

villian is an idiot, you have aces. jam turn and get called by Kx or random hands before scare cards come.

villian is an idiot, going to be bluffing a lot so let him bluff the river.

QJ, J8, 99, TT, T9, KT, K9, many pair + FD type hands, pair + SD hands, and Kx

you're putting too much weight into Kx and ignoring the fact that he's betting turn for pot AFTER you raised him on the flop. just because his line is unorthodox doesn't mean that YOU should spazz out vs. a pretty wide range of hands and let him make a perfect decision against you.

and sure his line makes sense... he could so be slowplaying flop and then bets out strong when the board actually does get incredibly drawy. he could easily have been semibluffing the turn with clubs, also.

so unless you get called by all those draws and Kx a lot of the time, shoving turn is stupid

assuming he will because he bet/called the flop and lead the turn just doesn't make any sense to me.

Need info on villain plz

flatting turn isn't necessarily standard here when drawing hands are the larger portion of his range and you don't know if he is like to fire on a river whiff

and collegesucks we do get called by those draws all the time by this villain

On January 08 2009 16:12 collegesucks wrote: Show nested quote + On January 08 2009 16:10 geometryb wrote: well, the only reason i would clal turn is because he's going to spaz bluff the river on brick rivers so that makes it a snap.

that river is a brick.

if you really think he donked out a backdoor flushdraw on the turn then raise there.

he mAY have k10/910/qj and played it weirdly (maybe he was being fancy than wanted to protect when the FD comes in or is just playing it in a way he thinks will own your king)

the way u played it though you can't know u might be losing a lot of value vs KQ KJ many pair/draw draw etc hands

when i dont post any reads its because i didnt have any. exept he is from germany is all i know lol. he snap bet turn btw if that changes anything.

raise flop to at least 4...3 is to small...flat turn is ok if u r planning to call a non K/Q/J river...call river

I'd shove turn without reads I think.