NL25 villain's range?

villain is 44/6 and instabets river. what do you think he has here?

edit: plz dont just say shove or call or fold or something the villain's range is more important to me.

Submitted by : joLin

***** Hand History for Game 23686694041 *****
$25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, January 08, 04:59:44 ET 2009
Table Schlutia Real Money
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: MrWho85 $25.35 USD
Seat 4: Hero $26.20 USD
Seat 5: Kekslord $14.65 USD
Seat 6: Dracula001 $51.55 USD
Kekslord posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Dracula001 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
MrWho85 folds
Hero raises [$1.00 USD]
Kekslord calls [$0.90 USD]
Dracula001 folds

Flop (Pot : $2.25)

   
Kekslord checks
Hero bets [$1.50 USD]
Kekslord calls [$1.50 USD]

Turn (Pot : $5.25)

   
Kekslord checks
Hero checks

River (Pot : $5.25)

   
Kekslord bets [$3.75 USD]

shove obv

fold

On January 08 2009 05:33 vlseph wrote: fold

?

i would just call...

44/6 is very passive player right?

So therefore he could have any two clubs in his hands... but also JT and 107 (dont know about his opening range)...

But fuck it you dont need to know his range cos you have flush and if he has higher flush its just a cooler. Besides pot is not that big so you wouldnt lose (or win) a lot. Its not significant enough to extract his range here. Obv flatcall his riverbet cos a shove will only get called by higher flush.

Well that 44 VPIP hasn't really been narrowed because there hasn't been much action and you haven't given us any other reads (AF, Afreq would be nice as would fold sb to steal). Here's what his range is imo:

Straights, flushes, air, 2p, sets, TT-QQ, other random shit.

You rarely have a flush with your line, plus he's probably just clicking buttons, so shove. Again though you can't really be concerned with his range because you don't know much about him, the action in the hand hasn't been that interesting, and his range is wide to begin with. Flush > wide range. EZ GAME.

On January 08 2009 07:09 nouck wrote: Show nested quote + On January 08 2009 05:33 vlseph wrote: fold ? i would just call...

This is a leak, imo

Maybe you've experienced it differently, but I found that at NL25 villains will lead the river every single time you check the turn behind after c-betting, so there are lots and lots of hands in his range that you beat, stuff like A9, T9, 98 86, sets and maybe rarely a straight.

I would be tempted to just shove here, because I feel villains on this limit are so convinced you have 100% air when you check behind the turn they look you up very lightly, but a smaller raise is probably better. I definitely think you should raise though, 2 pair, sets and straights are all going to look you up.

edit: didn't realize he only had like 9$ behind, definitely shove then
edit2: he can definitely have overpairs as well

call

On January 08 2009 07:37 Sicks Macks wrote: Well that 44 VPIP hasn't really been narrowed because there hasn't been much action and you haven't given us any other reads (AF, Afreq would be nice as would fold sb to steal). Here's what his range is imo: Straights, flushes, air, 2p, sets, TT-QQ, other random shit. You rarely have a flush with your line, plus he's probably just clicking buttons, so shove. Again though you can't really be concerned with his range because you don't know much about him, the action in the hand hasn't been that interesting, and his range is wide to begin with. Flush > wide range. EZ GAME.

This ^^^

Also why bet 4x on the button?

You should be betting for value on the flop so this can be bigger but I guess no big deal -> $1.75

Why check turn if it isn't to induce him to spaz on the river? You are ahead most times on the turn + draw and I prefer a bet but once you check you can't just call a river bet when you hit the flush.

Sicks' range is spot on imo - i.e. just about impossible to narrow it down with the information given

His range is any pair, any draw made, any draw missed. Anything. So anything but folding is an option.

I bet turn because i'm going to bluff that turn since it's a brick to a lot of draws and if i have an over pair i want them to be valuetowned. I also think i have the best hand at this point and i see no reason to check behind.

he could have lots of two pairs crazy ass bluffs and you are easily ahead of the crazy shit he could have so all in
bet turn imo also and get it in

I bet the turn as well

But as played river looks like an auto raise... Why would you want to do anything else?

Oh it's impossible to narrow down his range here.. I don't think it's a very significant question since even against a pretty narrow range you'd want to raise for value

you give us vpip/pfr and no other relevant info. how do you expect us to give you an informed post about villain likely range here?

it's obv a raise here. there's really nothing to discuss about this hand. anything we say about villain's range is pure speculation and/or generalization.

ok thanks guys. i was just asking since during the hand i felt like he couldnt have anything but a flush here, but i didnt feel like i had enough info on the villain to comfortably narrow him down to such a tiny range so i shoved. he had A4cc so i was just wondering if my initial read that he could only have a flush here was right, but its not. like you guys say, he could have lots of random two pairs here and other stuff.

On January 08 2009 15:25 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote: ok thanks guys. i was just asking since during the hand i felt like he couldnt have anything but a flush here, but i didnt feel like i had enough info on the villain to comfortably narrow him down to such a tiny range so i shoved. he had A4cc so i was just wondering if my initial read that he could only have a flush here was right, but its not. like you guys say, he could have lots of random two pairs here and other stuff.

At this stake against some villians flushes that are bigger then yours are for sure in the range. What it comes down to is players at your stake are bad and always call down with marginal hands and never raise with draws and only with the nuts... by that you should be valuetowning everyone and make them call with all sorts of bad hands so don't be too results oriented.

as for betting/checking the turn. lets say you bet the turn, the river comes an overcard and he leads 2/3 pot, are we comfortable calling? how about if the river bricks and he leads 2/3 pot, are we comfortable calling? i might be losing value in these spots i dunno but i feel like betting the turn makes most of my river decisions difficult.

Bet turn and call river.

stop fucking giving terrible advice;

sure you probably jammed and got raped by a higher flush

o fucking well

he is a fucking halfstack for christ sake quit poker

start sethunting FR or something probably be better for you

Seat 5: Kekslord $14.65 USD


poker isn't always about putting people on hands, this guy is so *****ing loose who gives a shit what he has, we have a flush we shove cause hes poor and loose. People who overthink things too much usually suck at poker and end up being too weak tight or very spewy

On January 08 2009 05:33 vlseph wrote: fold

level?

On January 08 2009 07:09 nouck wrote: Show nested quote + On January 08 2009 05:33 vlseph wrote: fold ? i would just call...

red x from micros

On January 08 2009 09:22 anotherdream wrote: call

red x from microstakes

I'm a little tilted but seriously this forum used to have good advice even at the low stakes now even 2+2 morons shit on most of the advice here

unless its a gem from one of like 10 known good posters i.e

myth tom etc

On January 08 2009 18:11 traxamillion wrote: I'm a little tilted but seriously this forum used to have good advice even at the low stakes now even 2+2 morons shit on most of the advice here

Relax, three people on the first page (myself included) explained exactly what was going on. If people want to advocate missing value that keeps games good. This forum can't be about handholding new players into an army of nl200 regs, but if people want good advice it's clearly still there.

this a joke? allin

celebrate and go all-in.

i call, the only hands that call your rr is a better flush or a set which is very unlikely with his line

Are u fucking serious ?

bet flop ,imo also bet turn , celebrate all in river

eaz

we have a flush and hes not even full stacked ....
and he will call your shove even without a flush good amount of the time

bet bet shove. As played shove.

call, as said before, only hands that call u shove are better flushes.

please stop giving shit advice when multiple good players in the thread already said the opposite.

Take offence I don't really care

But anyone who dosn't say shove, sucks at poker, and please stop giving advice to other players because you have no idea what you are talking about

That's all

The only thing that's debatable in this hand is weather or not to bet or check the turn, both are fine

On January 08 2009 18:07 TalentedTom wrote: poker isn't always about putting people on hands, this guy is so *****ing loose who gives a shit what he has, we have a flush we shove cause hes poor and loose. People who overthink things too much usually suck at poker and end up being too weak tight or very spewy

thanks. i think i do tend to overthink things.