Friend's BvB situation

Submitted by : cleepy

PokerStars Game #23555282895: Tournament #131634155, $2.00+$0.20 Holdem No Limit - Level XIII (600/1200) - 2009/01/04 4:12:57 ET
Table 131634155 2 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: pjrisin (9840 in chips)
Seat 3: ozzburger82 (11855 in chips)
Seat 4: cleepy (36409 in chips)
Seat 5: *jamrokkk* (18155 in chips)
Seat 6: simon1113 (8350 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: derangerZ (16830 in chips)
pjrisin: posts the ante 125
ozzburger82: posts the ante 125
cleepy: posts the ante 125
*jamrokkk*: posts the ante 125
simon1113: posts the ante 125
derangerZ: posts the ante 125
cleepy: posts small blind 600
*jamrokkk*: posts big blind 1200

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to cleepy
simon1113: folds
derangerZ: folds
pjrisin: folds
ozzburger82: folds
cleepy: calls 600
*jamrokkk*: checks

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $3,150.00)

   
cleepy: bets 2400
*jamrokkk*: raises 2400 to 4800
cleepy: raises 3200 to 8000
*jamrokkk*: calls 3200

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $19,150.00)

   
cleepy: bets 8400
*jamrokkk*: calls 8400

River (Pot : $35,950.00)

   
cleepy: bets 1200
*jamrokkk*: calls 430 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (770) returned to cleepy

Showdown
cleepy: shows (a pair of Jacks)
*jamrokkk*: shows (a pair of Jacks - King+Ten+Six kicker)
*jamrokkk* collected 36810 from pot

Summary
Total pot 36810 | Rake 0
Board  
Seat 1: pjrisin folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 3: ozzburger82 (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 4: cleepy (small blind) showed and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 5: *jamrokkk* (big blind) showed and won (36810) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 6: simon1113 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 9: derangerZ folded before Flop (didnt bet)

i would say fold pf and do not complete w/ J3o

raise pf/fold

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yea completing here was pretty weak. As played I guess its not the worst considering the stacks ><

going broke w/ J3o is never wrong
just a cooler
ur friend is right imo

He was getting 4-to-1 odds, dunno how can you fold anything preflop with those odds. Flop reraise is...I don't know, kind of leaves you no exit. I would call the flop and check/call turn and probably the river. Would probably still lose half of your stack, but probably you are supposed to lose a lot there.

I'm not good though

On January 04 2009 08:14 player999 wrote: going broke w/ J3o is never wrong just a cooler ur friend is right imo

this obviously

just fold preflop man. This whole hand is played pretty gross.

J3o is what-top 50%? Top 40? Why do you fold it with 4-to-1 pot odds?

if you are gonna play here, raise the other blind and make them fold pre or fold to a continuation bet on the flop. Limping here is so weak/tight and just puts you in shit spots.

j3o is nowhere near top 40% of hands, u fold it because u are spewing chips by calling.

you have some SERIOUS leaks if you think this hand was fine preflop imo

On January 04 2009 12:14 Critterer wrote: j3o is nowhere near top 40% of hands, u fold it because u are spewing chips by calling. you have some SERIOUS leaks if you think this hand was fine preflop imo

yep. Although I think raising is fine too considering the bb should be folding like everything.

after he calls a re-raise on the flop WTF do u put him on that u beat? JT5 rainbow ffs

On January 04 2009 11:45 pluzich wrote: J3o is what-top 50%? Top 40? Why do you fold it with 4-to-1 pot odds?

assuming you're not joking...

Fuck 4-1 pot odds bvb with a trash hand...

You don't want to PLAY J3o...like..ever..

Either raise this pre and hope BB has the sense to fold so you get blinds, or, as you're 30bb deep and this is a 2$ tourny, fold you're sb and proceed to rape the table from button, cut-off and even possibly hi-jack.

You really, really really don't want to play J3o limped out of position...

On January 04 2009 15:22 Hjorturkall wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2009 11:45 pluzich wrote: J3o is what-top 50%? Top 40? Why do you fold it with 4-to-1 pot odds? assuming you're not joking... Fuck 4-1 pot odds bvb with a trash hand... You don't want to PLAY J3o...like..ever.. Either raise this pre and hope BB has the sense to fold so you get blinds, or, as you're 30bb deep and this is a 2$ tourny, fold you're sb and proceed to rape the table from button, cut-off and even possibly hi-jack. You really, really really don't want to play J3o limped out of position...

I'm not joking, but I am not a good player. Harrington in his book says that if youre getting odds like that (against 1 player) you call with whatever trash you hold.
What makes this such a bad call? What is the calling range in such a situation?

Don't ever limp SB vs BB at this stage except if you are both deep (and even i'd never limp J3o wtf), either raise or fold depending on villain. If he's on the tight side raise, if he's loose your hand is weak and you're probably spewing chips away. As played fold flop also you're spewing way too many chips.

at these lvls I would fold pre unless you were on some type of bubble where he'd have more incentive to fold (in which case i'd raise this hand b/c i would be raising literally any two cards). Limping can be ok, but this hand is really bad so either just raise to win or fold pre (mostly this, bc bad players will call too much instead of restealing on you, and your hand plays bad obv.)

i mean this has to be one of the worst hands on earth lol

On January 04 2009 15:56 pluzich wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2009 15:22 Hjorturkall wrote:   On January 04 2009 11:45 pluzich wrote: J3o is what-top 50%? Top 40? Why do you fold it with 4-to-1 pot odds? assuming you're not joking... Fuck 4-1 pot odds bvb with a trash hand... You don't want to PLAY J3o...like..ever.. Either raise this pre and hope BB has the sense to fold so you get blinds, or, as you're 30bb deep and this is a 2$ tourny, fold you're sb and proceed to rape the table from button, cut-off and even possibly hi-jack. You really, really really don't want to play J3o limped out of position... I'm not joking, but I am not a good player. Harrington in his book says that if youre getting odds like that (against 1 player) you call with whatever trash you hold. What makes this such a bad call? What is the calling range in such a situation?

point is he should raise of fold. there is no calling range.

point is also you will get raised when limped in too, which means you just lost valuable chips.

anyway, j3o is trash and playing a flop with it oop will not merit any good.

On January 04 2009 15:56 pluzich wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2009 15:22 Hjorturkall wrote:   On January 04 2009 11:45 pluzich wrote: J3o is what-top 50%? Top 40? Why do you fold it with 4-to-1 pot odds? assuming you're not joking... Fuck 4-1 pot odds bvb with a trash hand... You don't want to PLAY J3o...like..ever.. Either raise this pre and hope BB has the sense to fold so you get blinds, or, as you're 30bb deep and this is a 2$ tourny, fold you're sb and proceed to rape the table from button, cut-off and even possibly hi-jack. You really, really really don't want to play J3o limped out of position... I'm not joking, but I am not a good player. Harrington in his book says that if youre getting odds like that (against 1 player) you call with whatever trash you hold. What makes this such a bad call? What is the calling range in such a situation?

you can call an all in with those odds but you cannot play a hand with garbage like this