3/6 RR pot w/ KQ

Villain play 19/16 and doesnt like to fold to 3bets. So I go ahead and 3bet KQo for value with position. What should I think about on this flop. I kind of want to bet to protect my hand, but if I get it in on this flop its usually a race or I am far behind.

How do you guys play this spot in general?

Submitted by : Zanjong

***** Hand History for Game 1354460175 *****
$600.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, January 02, 11:01:02 ET 2009
Table Frescha No DP 50 bb min Real Money
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: bidfishy1 $242.48 USD
Seat 3: hajvaninho $627.15 USD
Seat 5: IveGoneNutz $624.00 USD
Seat 6: Hero $1402.05 USD
Seat 8: KlaasGynhjalter $576.00 USD
Seat 10: stoorkebab $639.00 USD
KlaasGynhjalter posts small blind [$3.00 USD].
stoorkebab posts big blind [$6.00 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
bidfishy1 folds
hajvaninho folds
IveGoneNutz raises [$18.00 USD]
Hero raises [$60.00 USD]
KlaasGynhjalter folds
stoorkebab folds
IveGoneNutz calls [$42.00 USD]

Flop (Pot : $129.00)

   
IveGoneNutz checks
Hero

I 3bet larger preflop. As played I bet $100 and call a shove

I have no idea if my line is actually good here, but I'd check behind and look for a safe turn. Does he 4bet at all is TT+ and AQ in his range all the time?

bet 35 insta min3b when he raises, snapcall 4b shove

Sofar in not soo many hands, maybe 500, he hadnt 4bet yet, so maybe he doesnt 4bet AQ TT typish hands at least.

Babs. I dont know, I am reraising someone because he has a marginal hand and I like mine, but imo $60 is enough in position, I dont mind a call from his part. If he calls me too much its just good for me. I would accept reraising to 63 but not bigger.

I was thinking like Dusty was kind of, look for a safe turn. Beacuse it kinda sucks bet/calling.

If I bet, is he gonna call me alot or just raise for most part when he decides to play?

I would bet and be ok w/ getting it in on flop.

preflop is ok but ur kidding urself if u think ur raising for value here. You're helpless to a blind 4bet pre or a blind flop checkraise. I would only be 3betting if im expecting hands like 44 or A7s to fold pre or unimproved on flop, in which case ur effectively bluffing. Him calling with a weaker king or queen then u both flop top pair and he c/cs down or u get it on flop just doesnt happen often enough for u to be thinking "value" pre.

I feel like this. I will reraise and take it down a good amount preflop, those times he call me I will check behind flop sometimes and bet on favorable flops. and I think the times flop is Q x x or K x x I will be getting it in very good.

checking is really meh since 25% of the time we get heart or A on the turn (which dosn't have to improve his hand, but makes it really gay for your hand) If we bet/call on this flop it should be somewhat neutralish against his range, (definatley more +EV since its its impossible for him to have more tan 12 outs ever) but the profit comes from winning the pot on the flop rather than playing guessing games on later streets

against someone who calls 3-bets tighter you can use dusty's line at higher frequencies, but if villian calls too many 3-bets and often has stuff like 66+ here (but not AA, KK /AK then betting is definatley best

On January 03 2009 02:01 [vital]Myth wrote: bet 35 insta min3b when he raises, snapcall 4b shove

rofl myth, when did u become on addict of retarded lines ;p

On January 03 2009 14:22 TalentedTom wrote: checking is really meh since 25% of the time we get heart or A on the turn (which dosn't have to improve his hand, but makes it really gay for your hand) If we bet/call on this flop it should be somewhat neutralish against his range, (definatley more +EV since its its impossible for him to have more tan 12 outs ever) but the profit comes from winning the pot on the flop rather than playing guessing games on later streets

too lazy to type, but tom usually nails it on the head

On January 03 2009 14:38 Fayth wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2009 02:01 [vital]Myth wrote: bet 35 insta min3b when he raises, snapcall 4b shove rofl myth, when did u become on addict of retarded lines ;p

fayth go jump off a cliff

On January 03 2009 14:38 Fayth wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2009 02:01 [vital]Myth wrote: bet 35 insta min3b when he raises, snapcall 4b shove rofl myth, when did u become on addict of retarded lines ;p

this line is fucking brilliant i'm just not going to explain it and the fact that i make it sound funny is even more effective because stubborn robots will just overlook good advice again and again and again

but then that one hero padawan who understands the magic will become a monster

and that monster will thank me endlessly. and karma shall forever be on my side

Myth are you sleeping with Kelistaan?

I'd love myth's line but the problem is that regs calls me all the time with stupid stuff with some equity. I think their raising range should have us in semibad shape. I'd rather bet a normal amount unless I know villian is spazzy.

On January 03 2009 20:07 Baal wrote: Myth are you sleeping with Kelistaan?

kelisitaan murders midstakes for a higher winrate than anyone else for a good reason

just because good players can exploit him doesn't mean he's not a genius

myth line > all

On January 04 2009 06:42 [vital]Myth wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2009 20:07 Baal wrote: Myth are you sleeping with Kelistaan? kelisitaan murders midstakes for a higher winrate than anyone else for a good reason just because good players can exploit him doesn't mean he's not a genius

you dont have to convince me i am a Kelistaan believer

he doesnt have the highest winrate tho (maybe hourly? but not per hand, and per hour does he still beats nanonoko?)

fuck it kelisitaan does it live

who cares

fucking thing sucks

keli has an insane hourly and nanonoko could never touch him in that regard

On January 06 2009 11:26 DooMeR wrote: keli has an insane hourly and nanonoko could never touch him in that regard

Well they seem to have nearly the same bb/100 ratio but Keli plays 600nl mostly and Nano 400nl, so their profit in alike hands (500k vs 600k) its like 270k for Keli and 150 for Nano.

keli plays like 30% 5/10 and 50% 3/6 and he 24 tables

EDIT: i forgot to add "3/6" after "50%"

On January 06 2009 23:47 DooMeR wrote: keli plays like 30% 5/10 and 50% and he 24 tables

wrong -_-

http://www.pokertableratings.com/overview/kelisitaan