wrong, if everybody had the outrage and courage to raise against its government when its that corrupt it wouldnt be as easy as it is for them to rape the country.
As the fictional Mr. Beal once said: First, you got to get mad!
getting mad is a feeling,not a quality.
for example, a spoiled kid can get mad at everything and noone would say that it is justified
I figure that this fictional character obviously reacts to everyone being apathetic over what goes wrong around him.
The problem is that hooligans for example have the anger but are unable to chanel it in a constructive way or even understand it's roots.
Nothing can replace intellect,every time people react instead of acting and have the memory of goldfish, breaking things on the streets is completely pointless.
WTF why do you take the "gotta get mad" out of context compairing it to fucking hoolingans trashing the streets because their stupid sports team lost (if there is anybody more pathetic than violence because of a dumb sport?).
He is just encouraging people to stop eating the shit the government is making them swallow day after day, like the guy who threw a shoe at Bush, before throwing that shoe, first HE GOT MAD.
And breaking things on the street is retarded i agree, however setting on fire government buildings is a fucking strong message.
Hooligans appear to fight over their teams but the anger they feel originates elsewere. I only refered to them as an extreme (perhaps bad in that) example of people with no intellect but a plethora of emotions.I agree that a burnt government building is a political message however it is usually too vague as a statement by itself and it usually loses its power of symbolism even more when it piles along to damaged/looted mini markets etc. You may argue with me about that,however the point I was trying to make originally is that all these forms of protest are reactions and not actions.Creative and constructive actions require a certain goal,a plan and a decent understanding of the situation,decisions made with a cold blood.This is something not possible by mindless rioting masses. Even anarchists at their biggest chance in history with the syndicalist CNT had planning leaders and a sort of pyramidic structure.
new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man...
started after bush fucked up post 9/11 with his ridiculous move to invade iraq.
Ok, depends on what part of the world you are in. In latin america it started during the cold war when we were assassinating their leaders who didn't do what we wanted. But I think for europe it got bad after bush pushed to go to iraq, and that's when it got really bad all over.
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HeRoS)eNGagE Canada. Dec 22 2008 23:39. Posts 10896
On December 22 2008 17:42 Tien wrote:
I like Americans.
Much much much more than a lot of countries out there.
It's probably just my perception, but we seem to have an incredible standard deviation in intelligence... I feel like I run into very few "average" people, usually significantly below or above average, and there's a lot more of the below. We're the wealthiest and most powerful country. Americans tend to be less well mannered than the rest of the civilized world and maybe we put people off when we travel to other places. Finally, we're fucking fat and our resource consumption on a per person basis is absolutely outrageous compared even to other wealthy western democracies. We have a lot of religious fucktards compared to other 1st world countries, I'd hate us too if I was from another country and knew Americans were so tolerant and influenced by types of religious extremism in their own country yet so intolerant of it abroad. I think the fact that Sarah Palin was taken seriously by a huge portion of the population is evidence of this. The fact that there seems to be a worse ratio of stupid:not stupid probably accounts for how many more religitards we have compared to other nations. Our government is shockingly incompetent at times. Voters are completely disengaged and uninformed, making important decisions that have far reaching effects on the rest of the world based on stupid crap that doesn't really matter that much. Voters are incredibly susceptible to advertising and seem to be among the most impressionable in the world, I dunno about other nations, but I'd wager a large bet that the correlation between money spent on advertising for campaigns and probability of victory is much higher than the rest of the western world. Our public education system is abysmal and breeds hilarious discrepancies in opportunity which are clearly correlated with race. People had rights taken away due to things they were born with and were entirely out of their control, actually wait we still do this with gays. I guess France is the only civilized country who's racism problem is worse than ours. People like me use the word civilized to describe countries which basically simply means how much they conform to American ideals of how government should function, thought he standard of living is also considered in deciding whether a country is civilized or not. We're physically inactive and lazy, hence the fat thing. We drive too much and refuse to use public transit. Our culture invades the rest of the world and pushes everyone else's out. We support Israel and the middle east has rampant anti-semitism so they have all these crazy ideas about a shadow jew government conspiring against the muslims or some shit. We produce a lot more waste (not just of the greenhouse gas variety either, but just trash, garbage, discarded and obsolete items, etc. We're still the new kids on the block and it's only been a few hundred years. We make retarded laws prohibiting or regulating voluntary, non violent actions such as sex or online poker. We give an industry hundreds of billions of dollars with little oversight or supervision involved.
That said, I love America and I'd never want to live anywhere else except maybe Canada.
Oh yeah, on the gun nuts thing, cause I know somebody mentioned it by now. I bet if Americas loose gun laws were used in any other nation, the violence wouldn't be anywhere even near close. Like the Finland shooting recently, that was the first time since like 1989 and they have a pretty high gun ownership rate, I believe it was second to the US but I might be wrong, I know they're in the top 10 though. The problem isn't guns or gun laws, it's fucktards.
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BigRed0000 United States. Dec 22 2008 23:54. Posts 3554
GOD DAMN IDIOTS FROM NORTHERN EUROPE!!!
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Svenman87 United States. Dec 23 2008 00:14. Posts 4636
HEY GAIZ JUST GOT BACK FROM BEATING MY WIFE AFTER THE NASCAR RACE.
YEEEEEEEEEHAW
I'm tired of people 'understanding' the USA and how our country works. Vafan have you ever heard of misconceptions or fallacies? Jesus some of the stuff on this thread makes me want to go to your country and rape all the women out of spite.
(seriously fucking idiots... seriously)
ya we're so stupid and idiotic....
(seriously fucking idiots... seriously)
Why the fuck did I even open this shit storm of a thread. Enough trolling!
Can this thread get locked before Baal ends up banning someone for disagreeing with him? I really sense this one coming. Well... I'm back to the Looks or Game thread.
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seatown12 United States. Dec 23 2008 00:21. Posts 1193
On December 22 2008 17:19 Liquid`Drone wrote:
and lastly, the perceived hatred is more than anything a consequence of the fact that you are the most powerful country we can relate to, but we feel you aren't using the power ideally
There will always be resentment of the global hegemon, especially considering that Western Europe's worldwide importance severely diminished as a result of the World Wars just as the US's was skyrocketing, but it is true that the American government has made some mis-steps along the way that made it easier for people to dislike us. In one sense it's unfair to criticize the "world police" attitude when the UN overtly encourages it by asking US troops to play overwhelming roles in conflicts such as Bosnia, but on the other hand PR disasters like Iraq are entirely our own doing. I guess basically it comes down to the facts that many people are looking for excuses to hate Americans and we are often all too willing to provide them. Claims that Americans are unusually racist, generally stupid or otherwise personally flawed, though, are ridiculous and betray the bias of those who perpetuate them.
I completely agree with Baal that nationalism is pointless and also generally consider myself a citizen of the world. Ironically, people who hate Americans because "they think they are better than everyone else" would probably fit very well into American society as they imagine it.
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Svenman87 United States. Dec 23 2008 00:34. Posts 4636
On December 22 2008 22:49 ikc5 wrote:
Oh yeah, on the gun nuts thing, cause I know somebody mentioned it by now. I bet if Americas loose gun laws were used in any other nation, the violence wouldn't be anywhere even near close. Like the Finland shooting recently, that was the first time since like 1989 and they have a pretty high gun ownership rate, I believe it was second to the US but I might be wrong, I know they're in the top 10 though. The problem isn't guns or gun laws, it's fucktards.
Agreed, the problem are fucktards..... also agreed that guns dont kill people, people do.
however fucktards without guns are unlikely to shoot anybody.
I mean, nuclear weapons dont kill people, people kill people... somehow thats not a strong argument for private nuclear weapon ownership is it?
On December 22 2008 14:34 Baal wrote:
Because USA is policing the world and for their own interests, they have military bases in the middle east to pursue their own goals.
They support genocidal dictators when its in their interests to bring down democratic ones (like they did in the past in Iran), and then invade countries like Irak claiming to bring freedom (LOL) to them while raping the whole country for oil.
But you might say, well that is OUR government, well that affects your image and in a personal level as individuals the worlds just see you as retarded ignorant idiots who follow their gov decisions blindly where in many part of the world they would have already revolted, for example in Greece they just had a big revolt for something 10000 smaller than what the republicans just did for 8 years in USA.
I think that this view is still a little skewed. I mean most of the shit is probably rigged to begin with. I don't vote because I know how shitty the country is and it really doesn't matter who/what I vote for, for the most part.
On December 22 2008 14:34 Baal wrote:
Because USA is policing the world and for their own interests, they have military bases in the middle east to pursue their own goals.
They support genocidal dictators when its in their interests to bring down democratic ones (like they did in the past in Iran), and then invade countries like Irak claiming to bring freedom (LOL) to them while raping the whole country for oil.
But you might say, well that is OUR government, well that affects your image and in a personal level as individuals the worlds just see you as retarded ignorant idiots who follow their gov decisions blindly where in many part of the world they would have already revolted, for example in Greece they just had a big revolt for something 10000 smaller than what the republicans just did for 8 years in USA.
I think that this view is still a little skewed. I mean most of the shit is probably rigged to begin with. I don't vote because I know how shitty the country is and it really doesn't matter who/what I vote for, for the most part.
how is that view skewed? and congrats on not voting, thats a start
Cause most of the people I know from north America are ignorant snakes. They smile at you in your face, but when u turn your back, they stab you.
I dont have any problem with people disliking me. But at least if you do show me some level of respect and let me know your true feeling. Dont be a fucking back stabbing American.
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sirracksalot United States. Dec 23 2008 02:15. Posts 2299
they is many factors contributing to it. some are justified and some arent.
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United States. Dec 22 2008 23:54. Posts 3554
Well... I'm back to the Looks or Game thread.
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