Thoughts Please!

Submitted by : BIGlou83

PokerStars Game #22562242965: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/12/02 14:47:41 ET
Table 'Reni' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Sini05 ($25 in chips)
Seat 2: YeahMercy ($52.55 in chips)
Seat 3: PaulEire ($41.90 in chips)
Seat 4: vzoli ($25 in chips)
Seat 5: BIGlou83 ($54.75 in chips)
Seat 6: bl4cksky1 ($30.95 in chips)
vzoli: posts small blind $0.10
BIGlou83 : posts big blind $0.25

Holecards
Dealt to BIGlou83
bl4cksky1: folds
Sini05: folds
YeahMercy: calls $0.25
PaulEire: calls $0.25
vzoli: folds
BIGlou83 : raises $1 to $1.25
YeahMercy: calls $1
PaulEire: folds

Flop (Pot : $2.85)

   
BIGlou83 : bets $2
YeahMercy: raises $8.50 to $10.50
BIGlou83 : folds
Uncalled bet ($8.50) returned to YeahMercy
YeahMercy collected $6.55 from pot

Summary
Total pot $6.85 | Rake $0.30
Board  
Seat 1: Sini05 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: YeahMercy collected ($6.55)
Seat 3: PaulEire (button) folded before Flop
Seat 4: vzoli (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: BIGlou83 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: bl4cksky1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Kinda of a ruff spot OOP i don't think calling is a good line.

In NL10 this is insta shove by me since there is not much action PF it's very likely he has JJ or trying to take with air, but this is NL25 and you guys are deep so i'm not sure curious to see what other people have to say about this.

raise to @ least 1.50-1.75 maybe even 2 dollars preflop given ur deep with the two people who limped. that said being oop and the fact u handcuffed urself with ur preflop raise, i would fold this. this is a lot easier if u raise more preflop.

There's no way I fold here .....22-44 maybe 66-99 JJ highly likely FD maybe a ten not so much get it in

well stats would help to give us an idea of what kind of player these guys are. can u give anymore information OP?

i doubt 22-44 would do this deep, and 66-99 would just flatcall the flop, there is no reason for them to raise.

Vs most I fold because this is a pretty nasty spot 200bbs deep. This is very read dependent though.

no I dont have any stats, but thanks for the insight so far

This is just guessing without stats/read...

On December 02 2008 15:31 Sicks Macks wrote: This is just guessing without stats/read...

= fold imo

as plajed i think its good

good fold, unless uve seen him do this with FD on similar board or hes got aggressive donk stats

it's a fold but i would have problems folding. i hate folding here but i think you have to. a T is verrrrry likely.

wtf call r u serious

I'd prolly call and reevaluate turn, c/f any diamond and hope for a cheap showdown.
This hand is pretty gay, i think a fold is the right play, but it's the tightest fucking thing to do.

Fucking NITS

you want to get it in with QQ 200bb on this board, gg ^^
you're out of position and you have no real idea where you are in the hand. If you re-raise on the flop you'll be committed. You can play this hand several different ways and a fold isn't a bad play.

most fish are not capable of raising that large with a T here but it's still a read dependent situation and a big guessing game.

my advice is not to play deep if you don't know your opponents

bet 3$ on the flop

his range here is continuing on in the hand on the flop imo is 22-TT, Tx, and flush draws. 22-44 folds to the cbet, 66-99 flatcalls the flop, JJ flatcalls mostly. we have the Qd so that makes A9d, AJd K9d KJd, 89d 78d as the only real flush draws i would think, and he might not even call all of those preflop much less limp them so i wouldnt give much credence 4/6 of those. so hes either got Tx, one of those flush draws, which imo he wouldnt raise as much as he did if he had a FD, or 55 for a boat which i can see him raising. not all donks slowplay.

given you are oop, i just dont think u stack up against a small flush draw range, Tx, and 55 deepstacked here. just raise more preflop and this decision becomes a lot easier. also having stats and reads/notes is paramount in helping us out here.

On December 02 2008 15:08 GirlsRVicious wrote: There's no way I fold here .....22-44 maybe 66-99 JJ highly likely FD maybe a ten not so much get it in

if u shove here, he is never going to call u with a worst hand unless he has a flushdraw, and even then he probly folds. 66-99/JJ arent going to stack off here much less this deep.

Well gay spot.
Giving the limp call preflop
Id say his range is like 40% a FD 50% (QT, 9T, JT, TK,T8 etc.) and 10% 77-99

So ure

40x win ~ 32$ equity vs his flush
50x lose ~ 45$ equity vs his spiked T
10x win ~45 $ ; or more likley just a small pot vs his semi-bluffraise (77-99 might fold a good amount to a shove)

given the fact ure deep
this is a fold imo

Him being on a FD like 40% makes it probably a bit painfull to fold
However i think if u shove here vs unknown given that preflop and flop action u will lose lots of money longterm

fold