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that doesnt really test it though. 200 marines vs 20 cannons, cannons lined up 10x2, marines attacking from whatever direction leaves the cannons all firing at once will almost do the trick. the more cannons the better they perform though, as is always the rule with longer range units vs shorter range units.

that being said I think if marines dont attack from the sides, I think 20 cannons would beat 200 0/0 no range no stim rines. but its gonna be a way bigger difference if you have 1000 vs 10000. I honestly think if this was 500 cannons it would be close.

250 each wave, do you seroiusly think a 250 wave will die faster than 2 seconds? the marines will quickly reach its "peak" and then the game will reach its balance, actually this is quite easy to know who will win, it probably wont take over 30 seconds to realize who is gong to win and its easy to test.

if 250 attacked from all sides theyd die almost instantly as theyd get shot at by like 400 cannons.

if they attack from 1 side against 10 at a time then there would be a constant stream

I would assume cannons win, just get someone to make a UMS map and test it!

On December 01 2008 20:09 Tien wrote: Do 10 cannons vs 100 marines on a map and test it out.

that will come down to whether the choke is as wide as the cannon spread

if the marines can't spread around they can't win

even if the marines had the 2 nukes on their side they wouldn't win vs the cannons.

oh gosh, i hope PU didnt put to much money on this one..

errrr i think we are assuming that the 250 rines are spread out 2 per cannon.

If 250 rines came up they would all probably be as wide as like 15 cannons =[ the other 30 on each side wouldn't barely hit them.

If you consider 250 rines spread out in a width of 2 rines per cannon cannons win pretty easily.

This can be solved though with a UMS test for sure though.

stim or no stim?

On December 01 2008 21:17 Red9 wrote: stim or no stim?

no upgrades at all.

300 marines vs 30 cannons

Do you guys want me to play this out?

WHAT IS THE RESULT.

at least 50 marines left, lmk if you want me to send you map, all you do is bring the civ to the beacon.

Why did I just waste 30 minutes of my life making this map lol

cannons should win cause 2nd row of cannons will attack (i beleive) as the marines get in range to attack the first line of cannons

On December 01 2008 21:22 Subaru wrote: 300 marines vs 30 cannons Do you guys want me to play this out?

visually it looks like the marines should rape the cannons here ;0 weird maybe im just used to marines always being stimmed/ranged?

Fine, I'll make a replay lol

http://rapidshare.com/files/169387452/300marines_vs_30_cannons.rep.html

This is the replay

even though this is a good starting point in this simulation. You can not make final conclusion from the results of this.
This is not a linear problem. Simulating this can not be achieved this way. If you happen to get to a steady state from the simulation then its GG marines. But Im almost positive this wont happen. Then you have to basically do this a bunch of times and compare the result and hope that they converge.

I dont know anything about starcraft but I actually like to try this out in the christmas break. But looking at the result of this simulation will be a good start of an investigation.

300 marines.. 68 survived