Am I a sissy?

Submitted by : Sanai

PokerStars Game #22418785133: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2008/11/27 17:13:36 ET
Table 'Mireille' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: moshpdm ($18.70 in chips)
Seat 2: Bread122 ($10.90 in chips)
Seat 3: Suseel ($11.30 in chips)
Seat 4: escipion ($10.75 in chips)
Seat 5: fence_1 ($8.90 in chips)
escipion: posts small blind $0.05
fence_1: posts big blind $0.10

Holecards
Dealt to Bread122
moshpdm: folds
Bread122 : raises $0.30 to $0.40
Suseel: calls $0.40
escipion: folds
fence_1: folds

Flop (Pot : $0.95)

   
Bread122 : bets $0.70
Suseel: raises $1.40 to $2.10
Bread122 : calls $1.40

Turn (Pot : $5.15)

   
Bread122 : checks
Suseel: bets $3
Bread122 : calls $3

River (Pot : $11.15)

   
Bread122 : checks
Suseel: bets $5.80 and is all-in
Bread122 : folds
Uncalled bet ($5.80) returned to Suseel
Suseel collected $10.65 from pot

Summary
Total pot $11.15 | Rake $0.50
Board  
Seat 1: moshpdm folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Bread122 folded on the River
Seat 3: Suseel (button) collected ($10.65)
Seat 4: escipion (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: fence_1 (big blind) folded before Flop

I don't know much about 6max- just that its looser and more aggressive. But if you look at that river bet, compare it to the size of the pot. It's roughly half pot. If you called turn then you wanna call river.

If you call the turn, then you have to call that river. By his line, it looks like he had you crushed.

I would probably fold to his flop minraise in this case if he doesn't seem like the person to get out of line. Find a better spot imo.

Flop miniraise ? It's already a 3 bet raise ? You still call it miniraise ? I need explanations here T_T
I'd have played roughly the same if i had a set except maybe i'd raise harder on the turn maybe.

3bet raise? dont know what u talking about, he got flop 2bet, but yea he made it 3x the initial raise which is not big, if anything medium sized, and it really looks bad for u, i expect when u get raised like that on the flop some of the weaker hands in villains range to be AQ / AK type hands which u don't beat, if u hold AK u might be ok to stay around here but i opt to fold

pretty bad fold, now you got him, no draw hit and the board paired beautifully

calling the turn and folding the river is really bad

to raiz: a miniraise is the minimum amount you at least have to raise if you make a raise, a 3-bet in this situation would be bread1123 reraising again (thus making the 3rd bet on flop)

edzwoo only using the termininology a bit sloppy here, what he meant is that the raise is quite small on the flop.

So if you had a set how much would you reraise ? I find the 3x initial raise really optimal for sets. If i reraise harder, i'd just get many folds (at least that's what i got when i was playing nl10, exceptions were obv allins after a reraise but it's really uncommon)

First it's the pot that should in most case determine the size of your raise, not the betsizing from your opponent.

Example: The pot is 5 dollars, you have a set, and your opponent bets 0.5 dollars. Do you 3x his bet? Raise to 1,5? That's generally bad. You should valueraise bigger.

And raising less is fine if the board texture is good, cause if the board is draw heavy (like 8TJss) you need to raise it up because you don't wanna give your opponent the correct odds to draw his hand (and for other obvious reasons as well - you want to get paid when they chase)

if pot is $5, villain bets $0.5, i usually do half pot raise:

size of pot after calling bet:
5 = pot
0.5 villains bet
0.5 to call

(5 + 0.5 + 0.5) / 2 + 0.5 = 3.5 ... if you don't want to raise to say 2/3 instead of half pot then instead of / 2 just do 0.66 * (...

But raising to half pot is ok since you're denying them odds

I know it, thanks, but look what edzwoo said : suseel made a miniraise to his standard, which i don't understand because if that was the case the miniraise would be like : 0.7 to 1.4 instead of 1.4 to 2.1 which in my opinion is a pretty good sized bet. I didn't read that edzwoo would have said to the op to raise more on the flop. So I'm still pretty confused here. Get what i mean ?
Raising 3x the initial bet on flop when having a set here is by my standard pretty fine or i am missing something.

brick river gotta call

On November 27 2008 22:28 PokerDoc88 wrote: brick river gotta call

lies! what if he has a 2 that just got there!


but srsly, don't call turn if your not planning to call brick rivers

fold flop vs most opponents

On November 27 2008 21:26 RaiZ wrote: I know it, thanks, but look what edzwoo said : suseel made a miniraise to his standard, which i don't understand because if that was the case the miniraise would be like : 0.7 to 1.4 instead of 1.4 to 2.1 which in my opinion is a pretty good sized bet. I didn't read that edzwoo would have said to the op to raise more on the flop. So I'm still pretty confused here. Get what i mean ? Raising 3x the initial bet on flop when having a set here is by my standard pretty fine or i am missing something.

I apologize, that was my fault. I saw 1.40 so I assumed he minraised .70c more to make it 1.40 to go.

Given the fact that he made an actual serious raise, I would be even more inclined the fold the flop. I think the times you're crushed far outweigh the times you have him dominated.

On November 27 2008 22:45 goodguysm wrote: fold flop vs most opponents

Not sure about 6 max aggression, but that line in FR = Full House by the river a large portion of the time. I doubt AK would cold call pre-flop.

My guess is:

66 / 22 / AQ

and I feel your slaughtered here, especially with that flop re-raise on a draw heavy board followed by the sexy tripple barrel all in. AJ is just way to vulnerable here.

Your no sissy buddy.

fold flop
OR
fold turn
OR
call river

never fold river

obviously the ability to make a right choice is directly relevant to the testosterone levels of the decision maker

Fold turn. Call river as played. And don't listen to that 'if you call turn you have to call river' stuff'. That is not the reason to call the river here, it isn't really a logical reason for anything unless you want to avoid being exploited by a strong aggressive observant opponent who you play against almost daily at 10nl.

dont fire that turn!

c/f > b/f > c/c imo

on this turn, that is

wut is this c/c stuff
k/c ok

call riv u have no reason to fold after calling turn

folding river as played is pretty terribad imo.

unless you have the note "never 3 barrel bluffs. stops at 2 barrels" or something retarded.

imo c/c terribad k/c riv peel insta shovaments fyi just my 2cents

What ?

Now the relevancy of you being a sissy can not be determined just by this hand. Do you act like floofy around girls? Do you know how to assert "your male dominance?" Have you ever bought smirnoff for yourself? Have you ever wiped the grease off your pizza? Answering these questions will directly relate to you finding the answer to your own question and damn it aj sucks

sissy boy sissy boy na nana na na naaaaaaaaaaaaa

On December 02 2008 11:06 GirlsRVicious wrote: Now the relevancy of you being a sissy can not be determined just by this hand. Do you act like floofy around girls? Do you know how to assert "your male dominance?" Have you ever bought smirnoff for yourself? Have you ever wiped the grease off your pizza? Answering these questions will directly relate to you finding the answer to your own question and damn it aj sucks

:-D

Thanks for all the help guys.

On November 28 2008 11:59 Oly wrote: Fold turn. Call river as played. And don't listen to that 'if you call turn you have to call river' stuff'. That is not the reason to call the river here, it isn't really a logical reason for anything unless you want to avoid being exploited by a strong aggressive observant opponent who you play against almost daily at 10nl.

What are you talking about? That is a perfectly logical reason for calling the river if you call the turn because it is almost always a mistake to call the turn and fold the river for this kind of price. If it's not the reason to call the river then what is? I'm sure whatever you say will also be a justification for calling the turn, meaning the read didn't change while the board didn't change (actually the river was better for us as well because 22 is 1/3 as likely now).

fold flop vs nrly all opponents especially OOP

lol Oly you are 100% missing the point in the "if u call turn call river" thing.

On November 28 2008 11:59 Oly wrote: Fold turn. Call river as played. And don't listen to that 'if you call turn you have to call river' stuff'. That is not the reason to call the river here, it isn't really a logical reason for anything unless you want to avoid being exploited by a strong aggressive observant opponent who you play against almost daily at 10nl.

It is logical because once we decided to call the turn, we're assuming we have the best hand and cannot fold to that brick river. Calling the turn in hopes that he was just bluffing and would shut down on the river would be total spew.

On December 03 2008 02:00 Baal wrote: lol Oly you are 100% missing the point in the "if u call turn call river" thing.

How? Here if we call turn we have to call river because it bricked and we are facing a small bet. I was pointing out that I think the 'call turn call river' motto is overused and nonsensically so. That motto derives from each situation's logic, not vice-versa. Do you disagree?

YES YOU ARE

You may be right that its overused, but you chose a bad time to bring it up since it was being properly used here