$5.20 double or nothing, interesting spot

Had like 7 vpp till goldstar so I played a few sngs.

Submitted by : edzwoo

PokerStars Game #22366378808: Tournament #122972442, $5.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2008/11/25 20:23:05 ET
Table '122972442 1' 10-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: bruno N.A (6410 in chips)
Seat 3: marijuanaana (1840 in chips)
Seat 5: edzwoo (1580 in chips)
Seat 6: carolus_5 (1640 in chips)
Seat 8: MALANDRE (1045 in chips)
Seat 9: mustang22222 (2485 in chips)
bruno N.A: posts the ante 15
marijuanaana: posts the ante 15
edzwoo : posts the ante 15
carolus_5: posts the ante 15
MALANDRE: posts the ante 15
mustang22222: posts the ante 15
edzwoo : posts small blind 75
carolus_5: posts big blind 150

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to edzwoo
MALANDRE: folds
mustang22222: folds
bruno N.A: raises 300 to 450
marijuanaana: folds
edzwoo : raises 1115 to 1565 and is all-in
carolus_5: folds
bruno N.A: calls 1115

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $3,370.00)

   

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $3,370.00)

   

River (Pot : $3,370.00)

   

Showdown
edzwoo : shows (a pair of Kings)
bruno N.A: shows (three of a kind, Queens)
bruno N.A collected 3370 from pot

Summary
Total pot 3370 | Rake 0
Board  
Seat 2: bruno N.A showed and won (3370) with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 3: marijuanaana (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: edzwoo (small blind) showed and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 6: carolus_5 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: MALANDRE folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: mustang22222 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

yeah I believe so

what a question lol

standard

id fold

standard, theres no REALLY small short stacks

Looks like a fold to me

On November 26 2008 02:11 TwistedEcho wrote: Looks like a fold to me

really so ur plan is to just blind out hoping someone else gets eliminated first?

On November 26 2008 02:11 TwistedEcho wrote: Looks like a fold to me

On November 26 2008 03:07 asdf2000 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2008 02:11 TwistedEcho wrote: Looks like a fold to me really so ur plan is to just blind out hoping someone else gets eliminated first?

Yep

This entire forum is so bad for advice because people that troll and contradict everything.

Ya seriously i need to be in red so i can bad peple like bambolius from posting and help clean up the mtt forum from trolls.

MEAT MAKE ME MOD !

On November 26 2008 03:07 asdf2000 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2008 02:11 TwistedEcho wrote: Looks like a fold to me really so ur plan is to just blind out hoping someone else gets eliminated first?

We are somewhere between 60-65% to double up here most likely - I guess its possible he folds sometimes when we shove, and also its possible he only raises a reaaally tight range knowing he can fold in but still not wanting to fold like TT+ AK so those two can cancel each other out.

If we double, we win a seat like 95% or sth ridic, but im pretty sure by hitting the fold button lots we win a seat more than 60-65% of the time, esp in $5 sngs. Also we can shove in better spots than getting it in here.

Fwiw i assume you know, but it pays 1-5 the same, so all we need to do is cash, i haven't played any DoN's but i've played a ton of sats up to $2k buyin, and seeing how awful people play in those i can only imagine the level of play in a $5 DoN is ridic and you should just be folding a ton and waiting for someone to get impatient/get AK v 77 or just some bigstack trying to own everyone by raising every hand and eventually bad beating someone

On November 26 2008 03:37 SpoR wrote: This entire forum is so bad for advice because people that troll and contradict everything.

btw the way forums work is people get to post replies. Sadly lots of players suck and give bad advice so the best way to combat this is to ignore anyone you don't know to be a good player who posts one liners, and only bother reading replies from established posters or people that try to back up their answer.

Someone with 7 posts replying 'fold' you should probably ignore, someone good or someone posting reasoning you should read and think about it.

I did the one liner, but then backed it up w/ some reasoning at least

On November 26 2008 03:55 TwistedEcho wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2008 03:07 asdf2000 wrote:   On November 26 2008 02:11 TwistedEcho wrote: Looks like a fold to me really so ur plan is to just blind out hoping someone else gets eliminated first? We are somewhere between 60-65% to double up here most likely - I guess its possible he folds sometimes when we shove, and also its possible he only raises a reaaally tight range knowing he can fold in but still not wanting to fold like TT+ AK so those two can cancel each other out.

well I would think it's more like 65-70% but I guess ur right. this kind of shit is crazy to me lolz

i didnt think i really needed to back up fold. seems like an easy one to me. i really wouldnt even want to call if he turned his hand up and it was aq. we can just choose much better spots. it is also a 5 dollar sit and go and the players will donk around plenty. we could most likely sit out and win the money

It is a fold no doubt, Twisted said almost everything, i just want to add that the blinds are still very small and that makes it even more easier to fold

On November 26 2008 03:37 SpoR wrote: This entire forum is so bad for advice because people that troll and contradict everything.

so everyone is just suppose to agree with what the 1st guy said??

On November 26 2008 03:50 TwistedEcho wrote: Ya seriously i need to be in red so i can bad peple like bambolius from posting and help clean up the mtt forum from trolls. MEAT MAKE ME MOD !

i didn't realize the top 5 get all paid evenly so of course i was expecting this guy to be trolling?

i didn't give any bad advice did i now? well obviously not becouse i thought the guy was trolling.

don't use my mistake to whine for admin you douche

You lost coinflip in tournament

what`s your problem?

On November 26 2008 04:50 asdf2000 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 26 2008 03:55 TwistedEcho wrote:   On November 26 2008 03:07 asdf2000 wrote:   On November 26 2008 02:11 TwistedEcho wrote: Looks like a fold to me really so ur plan is to just blind out hoping someone else gets eliminated first? We are somewhere between 60-65% to double up here most likely - I guess its possible he folds sometimes when we shove, and also its possible he only raises a reaaally tight range knowing he can fold in but still not wanting to fold like TT+ AK so those two can cancel each other out. well I would think it's more like 65-70% but I guess ur right. this kind of shit is crazy to me lolz

If hes opening any2 and calling our shove we are 67%, if hes opening a more sensible range like 22+,A2s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,A9o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo we are 62% and if he has some idea how to play and realises he doesn't need to get involved, and hes playing like 88+,ATs+,KQs,ATo+ then we are 58%

Altho if he was good he would fold QQ preflop

Lol i just played 4 of these and my advice is S H O V E A L L D A Y L O N G.

i could explain why but when you play a few of these it becomes very obvious.

On November 26 2008 19:09 brambolius wrote: Lol i just played 4 of these and my advice is S H O V E A L L D A Y L O N G. i could explain why but when you play a few of these it becomes very obvious.

.....? shove this hand? or u just mean shove a lot ind iff spots. because we dont have fold equity vs a 6k stack no matter what he has

On November 26 2008 19:09 brambolius wrote: Lol i just played 4 of these and my advice is S H O V E A L L D A Y L O N G. i could explain why but when you play a few of these it becomes very obvious.

No, I really don't think it's obvious because a four SNG sample probably isn't good enough here.

My hand is obviously among the best hands in holdem, but I wasn't sure if I was supposed to shove there since I had a very small chance of making him fold, and if I just folded every single hand I had a decent chance of making it in the money anyway.

I'm more curious what my shoving range should be here, then. QQ+ only? Maybe not even QQ?

I hope brambolius comes back to explain because i cant imagine what he saw in those that make this a 'snapshove'. I have a feeling hes going to tell us how badly everyone plays, which is more of an argument for folding than shoving but who knows.

Anyway, I'd shove QQ+, possibly JJ. Fold everything else - the pressing fold patient game >>>> these esp when the other players don't know how to play

I'd shove depending on how this guy won those chips

This is imo a push becouse

1. hero is not in a "sure win" position. a few more hands could put him in a position where
it will all just come down to pure luck anyway.
2.villain might be bullying, like he should be with a stack like that.
3.If you are properly rolled for these, there is realy no reason to fold here.
4.people will not hesitate to fold down to death in these, you are better off not playing like these people.

i can understand how ppl could fold here, and it depends on the table, but my experience with these is that your generally better off being active untill ur sure ur itm

On November 27 2008 08:32 brambolius wrote: This is imo a push becouse 1. hero is not in a "sure win" position. a few more hands could put him in a position where it will all just come down to pure luck anyway. 2.villain might be bullying, like he should be with a stack like that. 3.If you are properly rolled for these, there is realy no reason to fold here. 4.people will not hesitate to fold down to death in these, you are better off not playing like these people. i can understand how ppl could fold here, and it depends on the table, but my experience with these is that your generally better off being active untill ur sure ur itm

you are wrong man. we are not planning to fold to death. we are planning to stick it in when we have fold equity. we are getting called here 99 percent of the time. look at what position we are in relation to the other stack sizes. there is a guy with 1600 and 1k or something. we will have a lot of fold equity in the upcoming hands so why call off our stack essentially on the bubble

this is a really easy fold

<3 twistedecho

I've played a few of these and this is the easiest of easy snap + Show Spoiler +

As long as someone has much less chips then you do and it's the bubble, you can just fold until he's forced to take a risk.

if that ministack doubles up ur sweating right?

On November 27 2008 08:32 brambolius wrote: 3.If you are properly rolled for these, there is realy no reason to fold here. 4.people will not hesitate to fold down to death in these, you are better off not playing like these people.

I have no idea what number 3 has anything to do with this.

The reason the big stack has 6k chips is because he won a 3way all in and took two people out, he's actually a total donk. I have to disagree with the others folding to death.

i'm just typing from my own experience, 5 games that all went EXACLTY the same.
people were literaly folding down to their last couple of blinds and they all ended in retarded shove fests when the shorties had no other choice.
cashed in 5 in a row :D these things own, but let's not draw too much attention to them as to keep the field pissweak ^^.

On November 27 2008 15:55 edzwoo wrote: The reason the big stack has 6k chips is because he won a 3way all in and took two people out, he's actually a total donk. I have to disagree with the others folding to death.

I'd shove then

On November 27 2008 22:50 gymnast wrote: Show nested quote + On November 27 2008 15:55 edzwoo wrote: The reason the big stack has 6k chips is because he won a 3way all in and took two people out, he's actually a total donk. I have to disagree with the others folding to death. I'd shove then

u dont seem to understand. the guys skill level is irrelevevant. if he shows up with 98 suited he will have 38 percent equity.; its stupid to risk our tournament life with no fold equity here. we will be able to find MUCH MUCH MUCH BETTER SPOTS to put our money in when it will be ez chips.

wait am I missing something? I only see 5+40 DoN SNGs. Where do you get the 5.+20s ?

edit- oh these are turbo format. Damnit, I've been playing the higher rake/longer ones >.<

AKs = 3bet shove, standard.

On November 26 2008 03:21 brambolius wrote:

LOL

On November 27 2008 08:32 brambolius wrote: 2.villain might be bullying, like he should be with a stack like that.

Will all the valuable advice already posted in the thread, I just thought I could point out that this has just blown my mind...