Ethical Question... - Page 5

On November 21 2008 06:25 lebowski wrote: I sense a poker analogy coming

On November 21 2008 19:06 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: Wtf arent you poker players guys?

it's getting closer...

give him the money and some cigarrettes too.

go ALL IN imo, don't fold, raise him your life, ship that shit, sick life

On November 21 2008 20:31 lachlan wrote: go ALL IN imo, don't fold, raise him your life, ship that shit, sick life

LOL

the question is "a guy you know...." not a friend so it is kind of diferent.

Ethically speaking, you can't say you don't care about what he does with the money, its like buying cloths made by slave kids on Cambodia. You can't say, man its just business cause we're seeing the ethical part of this.

What we can say is.....ok this fish is selling me really cheap crap, so hell with him its his life, hopefully no one else will result damaged.

On November 21 2008 04:05 Zorglub wrote: Floofy: Your best friends girlfriend just broke up, now do you fuck her because if not someone else will?

and change the example for him, he has a thread of 200 pages of how to get a girl, so he won't fuck anything.

On November 21 2008 20:44 gymnast wrote: Ethically speaking, you can't say you don't care about what he does with the money, its like buying cloths made by slave kids on Cambodia. You can't say, man its just business cause we're seeing the ethical part of this.

how do you not see the difference between your example and the one in question. what the fuck.

On November 21 2008 17:09 asdf2000 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2008 16:27 Jelle wrote: that's not the point though travis, they were just trying to debunk your "if you don't do it someone else will" argument and I agree with them how is that not the point? what the hell? are you trying to say that if you don't buy it, no one else will? is that what you agree with them on? if so, that's retarded. if not, what's your point then?   wether it's okay to buy it or not though is difficult to answer I think but if your answer is "yes i'd buy it" it certainly shouldn't be justified by "if i dont someone else will" it doesn't need to be justified by anything. someone is selling something. you want to buy it. pretty straightforward. what they do with the money is their business. if you want to address someone's problems with drugs then you do it by actually addressing the fucking problem, not refraining from buying something from them. how is that helping them at all? I can't believe I even have to argue with anyone about this.

So im guessing you are 100% ok with buying blood diamonds?

African rebels sell them at a very low price in order to buy AK-47, grenades etc for the slaughters they carry, you think its totally fine for anybody to buy blood diamonds?

On November 21 2008 21:14 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2008 17:09 asdf2000 wrote:   On November 21 2008 16:27 Jelle wrote: that's not the point though travis, they were just trying to debunk your "if you don't do it someone else will" argument and I agree with them how is that not the point? what the hell? are you trying to say that if you don't buy it, no one else will? is that what you agree with them on? if so, that's retarded. if not, what's your point then?   wether it's okay to buy it or not though is difficult to answer I think but if your answer is "yes i'd buy it" it certainly shouldn't be justified by "if i dont someone else will" it doesn't need to be justified by anything. someone is selling something. you want to buy it. pretty straightforward. what they do with the money is their business. if you want to address someone's problems with drugs then you do it by actually addressing the fucking problem, not refraining from buying something from them. how is that helping them at all? I can't believe I even have to argue with anyone about this. So im guessing you are 100% ok with buying blood diamonds? African rebels sell them at a very low price in order to buy AK-47, grenades etc for the slaughters they carry, you think its totally fine for anybody to buy blood diamonds?

I think it's totally fine to treat situations as individual and only address the factors that actually pertain to the specific situation.
If there was a vendor on the street next to me selling some of these cheap diamonds then fuck yes I would go buy some diamonds.

Some of you are just attaching extra shit to the action which actually doesn't pertain to the action whatsoever. It's beside the point. It's separate. It's something to be addressed separately.

not buying the blood diamond isn't going to stop the genocide, putting UN peacekeepers in place or something is, there is a huge difference between taking a proactive action to stop something (ie getting the friend into rehab) and taking a passive stance (ie not buying the g-hero)

not to mention blood diamonds are often mined using slave labor which puts them in the same category as the sweatshop clothes and I hope everyone can understand the distinction, evidence to the contrary notwithstanding

what about being an arms dealer? aren't u guys just drawing a line at different points in the same sand....

.…..is it possible to kill someone by making them live off only orange juice? Would the stomach be unable to adjust levels of acidity?

=s

maybe grapefruit.

On November 21 2008 22:38 SemPeR wrote: .…..is it possible to kill someone by making them live off only orange juice? Would the stomach be unable to adjust levels of acidity? =s

yes because they will eventually die from malnutrition

On November 21 2008 22:24 Steal City wrote: what about being an arms dealer? aren't u guys just drawing a line at different points in the same sand....

if u wanna follow the line of cause and effect you're gonna find out everything connects to everything else

your tax dollars goes towards plenty of bad stuff. how many people pay taxes and are against the war in iraq?


what about fast food places, let's say KFC. tons of people eat at KFC. did you know they literally torture hundreds of millions of birds a year? they don't even have to. but that is what the money is "supporting".
is it morally wrong for people to eat at kfc? is it morally wrong for people to pay taxes?

no, and no.


if you don't want to draw arbitrary lines in the sand then the only good solution is to address any specific event for exactly what it is, without adding a bunch of bullshit to it

If you haggle him down to $20 hes going to have to buy less crack/meth and therefore is less likely to O.D.

So thats the ethical choice.

Stick him up and take the loot free obv....

On November 22 2008 00:30 byrnesam wrote: If you haggle him down to $20 hes going to have to buy less crack/meth and therefore is less likely to O.D.

On November 21 2008 21:13 asdf2000 wrote: how do you not see the difference between your example and the one in question. what the fuck.

I'm in favor of taking the deal, but against saying "no matter what else is involved, its just business"

are you trying to say that if you don't buy it, no one else will? is that what you agree with them on? if so, that's retarded. if not, what's your point then?

On November 21 2008 04:18 auffenpuffer wrote: Show nested quote + If you dont deal heroine somebody else will... does that gives you moral immunity to dealing heroine?   is that even close to the same situation? "A is ok because if I do not do it someone else will". "A" can be "buying guitar hero from a drug addict" or it can be "selling heroin". What does it matter if these situations are close or not? The argument is imo invalid whatever you place as "A". Or if you think that one can use "A is ok because if I do not do it someone else will" as moral principle then what kind of other examples would you accept as "A" - "selling heroin" being invalid for some reason while "buying guitar hero from drug addict" is ok? ie. In what kind of situations can we accept "A is ok because if I do not do it someone else will" as justification (you suggest that it is only valid in cases determined by some sort of a rule that rules "selling heroin" out)? Perhaps you meant that "selling heroin" is not valid example because this "A is ok because if I do not do it someone else will"-reasoning only applies to situations where the action placed as "A" is legal? Then would you have sex with your best friends girlfriend? If you do not do it she will probably cheat him with someone else? "A is ok because if I do not do it someone else will" does not seem to be valid when A is "having sex with your best friends GF" so there has to be some less obvious rule to follow than that "A" has to be legal? When we hear the rule by which the cases suitable for "A is ok because if I do not do it someone else will" are determined we can start wondering if there is any point in following a moral principle only valid in so few situations and if such principle makes any sense at all (let alone being helpful).

Point is that "if I dont do it someone else probably will" does not justify anything imo.

So im guessing you are 100% ok with buying blood diamonds? African rebels sell them at a very low price in order to buy AK-47, grenades etc for the slaughters they carry, you think its totally fine for anybody to buy blood diamonds?

This is a diffrent thing because using drugs does not directly cause a couple hundred africans to die. Yes drugs dealing - if the guy he buys from does not produce it by himself which we cannot know - many problems in third world countries and supports orginized crime but imo it goes a little far to say that you cant give anyone money unless you are sure that he wont give it to someone who might give part of it some other guy who might be connected with organized crime in some way.

what about fast food places, let's say KFC. tons of people eat at KFC. did you know they literally torture hundreds of millions of birds a year? they don't even have to. but that is what the money is "supporting". is it morally wrong for people to eat at kfc? is it morally wrong for people to pay taxes?

Sure its morally wrong to eat at KFC.

And many people in USA refused to pay the portion of income tax used to support military during vietnam war (and some still do).

Obviously we cannot find out how everything is connected with every possible thing in the world and then choose what actions support things we want to have no part in. But when it is totally obvious that buying something will result dead africans we should restrain from buying blood diamonds imo

Don't buy it if its stolen. Bad Karma !