NL25 Big draw in position vs fish - Page 2

checkback and hit river yo

then again, your equity isn't that great... not sure what I like best but betting can't be bad

On November 21 2008 00:43 fakeshaver wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2008 23:32 Cooperstown wrote: He's not short stacked, it's fullring, you're clearly behind EVERYTHING even if he has something like 8's here your still roughly 30% to win why do you bet the turn? DO U PEOPLE KNOW WHAT SEMIBLUFFING IS HOLY SHIT. he should fold less then an ace, call with an ace and not check raise often. i think its a real easy turn bet of like 4.85

IT'S FR 25NL NOT 6MAX.........and it's 25NL a) you don't need to mix up your play bet if you have it check if you don't. We cont bet he called, he's going to call again so why build a pot when you have air? People will call down any pair here at 25nl so really what's the point putting more in the pot when your at BEST 30%? Obviously this changes a lot in 6max and higher limits, but this is neither of those things...........

I like the play

On November 21 2008 06:01 TallyHo wrote: I like the idea of betting the turn for full river value against a bigger part of his range. bet a little more on turn so that you can comfortably shove river if you hit. I wouldn't like it if there was the danger of him shoving the turn or raising with made hands too often.

Exactly what I was thinking. When I look back at this hand though, I think taking the free card was probably just better because I don't think the value from that part of the range outweigh the times I'll have to pay to see the river when he raises his monsters.

On November 21 2008 07:53 Cooperstown wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2008 00:43 fakeshaver wrote:   On November 20 2008 23:32 Cooperstown wrote: He's not short stacked, it's fullring, you're clearly behind EVERYTHING even if he has something like 8's here your still roughly 30% to win why do you bet the turn? DO U PEOPLE KNOW WHAT SEMIBLUFFING IS HOLY SHIT. he should fold less then an ace, call with an ace and not check raise often. i think its a real easy turn bet of like 4.85 IT'S FR 25NL NOT 6MAX.........and it's 25NL a) you don't need to mix up your play bet if you have it check if you don't. We cont bet he called, he's going to call again so why build a pot when you have air? People will call down any pair here at 25nl so really what's the point putting more in the pot when your at BEST 30%? Obviously this changes a lot in 6max and higher limits, but this is neither of those things...........

I think it's a mistake to put all the fish in the same category. Sure he's a 44/5 player who has no clue what he's doing, but he does peel the flop very light, which is why I put Qx and a bunch of pps in his range. Most fish are weak-tight and won't continue without a draw or top pair, so I have to disagree with being called down by any pair, and I think not being able to double barrel on some boards is weak play in general.

Well, I think checking behind or betting are both fine. We are very unlikely to be raised on turn, and we would have direct odds to call ~3.5 if he bet himself. So we can bet about as much to improve our implied odds when we hit and can bet more without overbetting river.

i didnt read the coment, but why bet KJ middle position full ring?! :s