non SD winnings - Page 2

omfg lol

haha n1 edzoo

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that edited graph cracked me up

Depends on site/stakes, on all the major sites infested with horrible nits who try and win hold'em by folding, absolutely. When I played prima I actually found it a lot harder and the fish were particularly more spewy and bluffy, but that just means you make a lot more at showdown.

On November 19 2008 13:19 killThemDonks wrote: like this! find good spots to take down small-medium sized pots i guess. open your range a bit more and bump up your aggression

Hi Andre :D

Oh and nice fix Edzwoo lol.

like +H1s!! ( ^ _ ^ )



or like this

haha now i got it


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Anyone that has the red line going down plays waaaay too weak.

Heck I think even those that have it breakeven play way too weak.

On September 20 2008 01:46 ToT)MidiaN( wrote: the 2 main reasons you'll have massive drops in non showdown winnings are: 1) frequently double barrelling, then c/fing rivers (if you they don't bet then it'll just end up in -showdown winnings) 2) calling down 2 barrels, folding to 3rd, or floating flop cbets in 3bet pots, folding to turn bets, floating flop raises in opened pots, folding to turns. etc basically any situation where you're putting in a large amount of $ and then folding on a later street will result in large losses in non showdown winnings. this doesn't mean that it's always BAD to do any of these things, particularly if, for example, you have a read that some guy frequently check raises dry flops with air, and gives up on the turn, then it might be right to float the flop, but fold to a turn bet. if you have a read some guy 3bets a ton, cbets 100% of the time, but c/fs the turn like 90% then floating the flop is gonna be correct with any 2 cards (extreme example but you get the idea), and obviously when he bets you have to fold your float. don't focus too much on trying to improve your non-sd winnings, just focus on making the best plays vs the specific opponents on every street and you should do ok in both sd and non-sd winnings. you're probably playing a ton of tables and simply giving up on a huge amount of small/medium sized pots, which is not bad since you're doing fine overall, but your winrate would obviously improve if you played less tables and focused more on taking down more of the medium sized pots

http://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-foru.../Money_won_lost_without_showdown.html

"i wanna be just like twisted when i grow up"

On November 19 2008 22:23 street_hooker wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2008 13:19 killThemDonks wrote: like this! find good spots to take down small-medium sized pots i guess. open your range a bit more and bump up your aggression Are you a witch?

warlock

It could also means that whenever you have a strong hands and make too strong bets you end up having your red line going up as they'll be folding. So yeah not particularly accurate but pretty decent enough i guess.

I guess at micro limits my showdown winnings would be a lot higher, but my non showdown winnings would be pretty highly positive also and overall my winrate at the micros would be pretty huge even over the long term anyway since people there are so bad

I think the tighter/smarter you play the higher your non-SD winnings will be. You'll be able to avoid unprofitable situations in advance, ie not calling down then folding the river. Of course you could be absolutely aggressive and have a high non-sd winnings and lower sd winning. Of course what do I know.

I'm really impressed that people can overcome the loss of big blinds / small blinds in the non-showdown winnings catagories. Are you just not using that in the calculation? It seems impossible. I've paid about $260k in BB/SB the past year. It seems insurmountable.

On November 20 2008 22:33 Maynard! wrote: I'm really impressed that people can overcome the loss of big blinds / small blinds in the non-showdown winnings catagories. Are you just not using that in the calculation? It seems impossible. I've paid about $260k in BB/SB the past year. It seems insurmountable.

I'm *pretty* sure its included

i suck?;d

On November 20 2008 22:33 Maynard! wrote: I think the tighter/smarter you play the higher your non-SD winnings will be. You'll be able to avoid unprofitable situations in advance, ie not calling down then folding the river. Of course you could be absolutely aggressive and have a high non-sd winnings and lower sd winning. Of course what do I know. I'm really impressed that people can overcome the loss of big blinds / small blinds in the non-showdown winnings catagories. Are you just not using that in the calculation? It seems impossible. I've paid about $260k in BB/SB the past year. It seems insurmountable.

Sounds like you don't defend your blinds well enough.

On November 21 2008 07:10 Twisted wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2008 22:33 Maynard! wrote: I think the tighter/smarter you play the higher your non-SD winnings will be. You'll be able to avoid unprofitable situations in advance, ie not calling down then folding the river. Of course you could be absolutely aggressive and have a high non-sd winnings and lower sd winning. Of course what do I know. I'm really impressed that people can overcome the loss of big blinds / small blinds in the non-showdown winnings catagories. Are you just not using that in the calculation? It seems impossible. I've paid about $260k in BB/SB the past year. It seems insurmountable. Sounds like you don't defend your blinds well enough.

Possibly. Or over defend. Or don't extract enough winnings on the other end to compensate. Obvious areas to improve at least.