KK on A-high flop in a 4-bet pot

Submitted by : Joe

** Hand # 2272109460 starting - 2008-11-17 20:56:34
** Ishaq 2 [Hold 'em] (5.00|10.00 NL - Cash Game) Real Money
JerryLee78 sitting in seat 1 with €1335.00
STREET15 sitting in seat 2 with €1120.25
caso_ sitting in seat 3 with €895.00
Joeik4 sitting in seat 4 with €1038.00
PowerFlush sitting in seat 5 with €1081.00
Yarzurf sitting in seat 6 with €2095.00[Dealer]
JerryLee78 posted the small blind - €5.00
STREET15 posted the big blind - €10.00
** Dealing cards to Joeik4 :,
caso_ folded
Joeik4 raised to €35.00
PowerFlush folded
Yarzurf folded
JerryLee78 raised to €115.00
STREET15 folded
Joeik4 raised to €250.00
JerryLee78 called - €250.00
** Dealing the flop:,,
JerryLee78 checked
Joeik4 ?

175 after a lot of thought

fold to shove anyway

hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow CAN SHE FLOP?

HOW CAN SHE FLOP ME

THE F

i check and turn a K, then stack AJ

seriously tho both checking and betting are fine given u check an ace here a lot too

obv northface but this is joe we are dealing with, he is wondering if an open fold to just avoid any reverse implied odds spots on further streets of the hand is a better option

On November 17 2008 15:05 Rekrul wrote: hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow CAN SHE FLOP?

HAHAHAHA

I am mostly wondering whether my opponent gets it in with weaker hands than KK on this flop, like QQ or fd.
And I would rarely check an ace here.

your wondering if your opponent is getting it in after flopping an fd in a 4b pot for 100bbs?

On November 18 2008 06:08 PoorUser wrote: your wondering if your opponent is getting it in after flopping an fd in a 4b pot for 100bbs?

i am more wondering if he can realistically have a fd there. Of course he is getting it in on the flop if he has it.

On November 18 2008 08:03 Joe wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2008 06:08 PoorUser wrote: your wondering if your opponent is getting it in after flopping an fd in a 4b pot for 100bbs? i am more wondering if he can realistically have a fd there. Of course he is getting it in on the flop if he has it.

from your notes he can def have a FD, but its unlikely

The only possible combos of fd that you beat is like Q10d(which I doubt he cc 4-bet OOP),89dd or 9Tdd.So you can either bet/fold(if you dont think he gets out of line too much),or just check and get a free card/evaluate

On November 18 2008 02:58 n0rthf4ce wrote: i check and turn a K, then stack AJ

knew it, you play jesus poker.

check behind.

raise turn if he doesnt spew, if he checks bet, else fooooold

4betting to 250 is better than shoving cuz he's making an obvious mistake by calling and u give him room to get silly and shove A2o and you can 4bet bluff/fold more often if ur 4b bet is smaller even tho i dont very often 4bet bluff with 100bbs.

I need grammar lessons. WTF someone's id is YOMER on lp. Manner opso

On November 22 2008 23:38 GiYoM wrote: 4betting to 250 is better than shoving cuz he's making an obvious mistake by calling and u give him room to get silly and shove A2o and you can 4bet bluff/fold more often if ur 4b bet is smaller even tho i dont very often 4bet bluff with 100bbs. I need grammar lessons. WTF someone's id is YOMER on lp. Manner opso

Manner post

On November 22 2008 23:38 GiYoM wrote: 4betting to 250 is better than shoving cuz he's making an obvious mistake by calling and u give him room to get silly and shove A2o and you can 4bet bluff/fold more often if ur 4b bet is smaller even tho i dont very often 4bet bluff with 100bbs. I need grammar lessons. WTF someone's id is YOMER on lp. Manner opso

lol dumb animal tilt

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA giyom LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

-dan