I'm pretty pumped about this event, the main event supposedly will draw the most viewers in the history of the organization.
Couture vs Lesnar......... Like most people I really hope Couture wins, but Lesnar is just so big and strong and they share the same strong trait of wrestling. It's really hard to pick a winner.
What do you guys think??!!
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Svenman87   United States. Nov 13 2008 15:54. Posts 4636
gogo Lesnar :D Minnesota PRIDEEEEE
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Python817   Canada. Nov 13 2008 16:29. Posts 2733
I think lesnar is gonna win unless couture can knock him out somehow
On November 13 2008 15:29 Python817 wrote:
I think lesnar is gonna win unless couture can knock him out somehow
o rly?
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Baalim   Mexico. Nov 13 2008 17:05. Posts 34312
the fight is amazingly even, sites are giving Lesnar around a 10% advantage but i think Coture is going to win this, mainly because Coture's main hability is intelligence, he is not particulary strong, nor a particulary effective submitter, neither an striking monster, yet he has always a very smart plan and wins with it even with superior oponents.
Classic old example was when Coture defeated the uprising Vitor Belfort when he probably had the best punching in UFC, Coture dismantelated him, and i think its going to happen the same, Randy wont do stupid shit and wrestle with Lesnar cuz he will get overpowered regardless of his superior skill, i think he will pick Lesnar apart and take a decision or a sneaky submissión.
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hkbubbletea   Canada. Nov 13 2008 17:09. Posts 1575
I have a feeling it's going to end similarly to how Fedor dispatched of Sylvia. Clinch, quick uppercuts to Lesnar's chin, end with RNC.
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Daut   United States. Nov 13 2008 17:14. Posts 8955
my picks to win:
randy
florian
hazelett
robinson
maia
gonzaga
stephens
riley
matt brown
only underdog i think will win is randy.
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SfydjkLm   Belarus. Nov 13 2008 17:23. Posts 3810
i hope couture loses hes so annoying.
*wink wink*
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Nazgul   Netherlands. Nov 13 2008 17:24. Posts 7080
bets:
stephens
robinson
riley
quarry
picks:
lesnar
florian
hazelett
robinson
maia (watch for the upset on this one!)
gonzaga
stephens
riley
brown
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Stim_Abuser   United States. Nov 13 2008 17:38. Posts 7499
On November 13 2008 16:05 Baal wrote:
the fight is amazingly even, sites are giving Lesnar around a 10% advantage but i think Coture is going to win this, mainly because Coture's main hability is intelligence, he is not particulary strong, nor a particulary effective submitter, neither an striking monster, yet he has always a very smart plan and wins with it even with superior oponents.
Classic old example was when Coture defeated the uprising Vitor Belfort when he probably had the best punching in UFC, Coture dismantelated him, and i think its going to happen the same, Randy wont do stupid shit and wrestle with Lesnar cuz he will get overpowered regardless of his superior skill, i think he will pick Lesnar apart and take a decision or a sneaky submissión.
where the hell did this randy is a master game planner shit come from? his game plan is the same in EVERY fight. clinch -> dirty box -> takedown and control against the cage.
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EXCELED   Canada. Nov 13 2008 17:47. Posts 401
this one is going to be close but i think lesnar is just to big of a man for coture and will lose in the end.
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Nazgul   Netherlands. Nov 13 2008 18:30. Posts 7080
On November 13 2008 16:05 Baal wrote:
the fight is amazingly even, sites are giving Lesnar around a 10% advantage but i think Coture is going to win this, mainly because Coture's main hability is intelligence, he is not particulary strong, nor a particulary effective submitter, neither an striking monster, yet he has always a very smart plan and wins with it even with superior oponents.
Classic old example was when Coture defeated the uprising Vitor Belfort when he probably had the best punching in UFC, Coture dismantelated him, and i think its going to happen the same, Randy wont do stupid shit and wrestle with Lesnar cuz he will get overpowered regardless of his superior skill, i think he will pick Lesnar apart and take a decision or a sneaky submissión.
where the hell did this randy is a master game planner shit come from? his game plan is the same in EVERY fight. clinch -> dirty box -> takedown and control against the cage.
He outboxed Chuck in fight 1, outwrestled Tito, threw looping rights against Sylvia, crushed Gonzaga in all aspects of the game.
The dirty boxing is definitely a specialty of his which can be seen in all of his fights, but his gameplans are much more than just that.
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Stim_Abuser   United States. Nov 13 2008 18:55. Posts 7499
On November 13 2008 16:05 Baal wrote:
the fight is amazingly even, sites are giving Lesnar around a 10% advantage but i think Coture is going to win this, mainly because Coture's main hability is intelligence, he is not particulary strong, nor a particulary effective submitter, neither an striking monster, yet he has always a very smart plan and wins with it even with superior oponents.
Classic old example was when Coture defeated the uprising Vitor Belfort when he probably had the best punching in UFC, Coture dismantelated him, and i think its going to happen the same, Randy wont do stupid shit and wrestle with Lesnar cuz he will get overpowered regardless of his superior skill, i think he will pick Lesnar apart and take a decision or a sneaky submissión.
where the hell did this randy is a master game planner shit come from? his game plan is the same in EVERY fight. clinch -> dirty box -> takedown and control against the cage.
He outboxed Chuck in fight 1, outwrestled Tito, threw looping rights against Sylvia, crushed Gonzaga in all aspects of the game.
The dirty boxing is definitely a specialty of his which can be seen in all of his fights, but his gameplans are much more than just that.
tito & sylvia & gonzaga were all the same gameplan. clinch dirty box takedown. of course he threw looping rights on sylvia. watch any fight where there is a significant height & reach difference and you will see the same thing.
dunno maybe im just bitter about everything randys done lately.
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nicksson   Sweden. Nov 13 2008 19:06. Posts 4662
Lesnar
Florian
Gonzaga
Maia
Hazelett
Riley
Dos Anjos
Robinson
Brown
On November 13 2008 16:05 Baal wrote:
the fight is amazingly even, sites are giving Lesnar around a 10% advantage but i think Coture is going to win this, mainly because Coture's main hability is intelligence, he is not particulary strong, nor a particulary effective submitter, neither an striking monster, yet he has always a very smart plan and wins with it even with superior oponents.
Classic old example was when Coture defeated the uprising Vitor Belfort when he probably had the best punching in UFC, Coture dismantelated him, and i think its going to happen the same, Randy wont do stupid shit and wrestle with Lesnar cuz he will get overpowered regardless of his superior skill, i think he will pick Lesnar apart and take a decision or a sneaky submissión.
where the hell did this randy is a master game planner shit come from? his game plan is the same in EVERY fight. clinch -> dirty box -> takedown and control against the cage.
He outboxed Chuck in fight 1, outwrestled Tito, threw looping rights against Sylvia, crushed Gonzaga in all aspects of the game.
The dirty boxing is definitely a specialty of his which can be seen in all of his fights, but his gameplans are much more than just that.
tito & sylvia & gonzaga were all the same gameplan. clinch dirty box takedown. of course he threw looping rights on sylvia. watch any fight where there is a significant height & reach difference and you will see the same thing.
dunno maybe im just bitter about everything randys done lately.
Why what has he done?
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Baalim   Mexico. Nov 13 2008 19:22. Posts 34312
I agree with Nazgul, and also dirty boxing is a sign of "smart" gameplan when u are inferior in other aspects, he never gets caught up in the action, he doesnt loose his heads and go wild, or get scared and do other stupid shit like other fights do.
again refering to the Belfrot fight when he was in his prime, he clearly was phisically weaker, he had a much inferior boxing (Belfort was the best boxer at that time by far), Belfort has better submission imo too, then how did he win, and in such a dominating fashion?, he just exchanged punches when he had to, he clinched when he had to, he took it to the ground when he had to, perfect timing, perfect attack plan, and that imo is the key to beat lesnar with such a huge strenght difference.
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Daut   United States. Nov 13 2008 19:29. Posts 8955
On November 13 2008 16:24 Nazgul wrote:
bets:
stephens
robinson
riley
quarry
picks:
lesnar
florian
hazelett
robinson
maia (watch for the upset on this one!)
gonzaga
stephens
riley
brown
fucking edit ninja. i was gonna say if you picking couture he is +105 right now :D
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Stim_Abuser   United States. Nov 13 2008 19:56. Posts 7499
On November 13 2008 16:05 Baal wrote:
the fight is amazingly even, sites are giving Lesnar around a 10% advantage but i think Coture is going to win this, mainly because Coture's main hability is intelligence, he is not particulary strong, nor a particulary effective submitter, neither an striking monster, yet he has always a very smart plan and wins with it even with superior oponents.
Classic old example was when Coture defeated the uprising Vitor Belfort when he probably had the best punching in UFC, Coture dismantelated him, and i think its going to happen the same, Randy wont do stupid shit and wrestle with Lesnar cuz he will get overpowered regardless of his superior skill, i think he will pick Lesnar apart and take a decision or a sneaky submissión.
where the hell did this randy is a master game planner shit come from? his game plan is the same in EVERY fight. clinch -> dirty box -> takedown and control against the cage.
He outboxed Chuck in fight 1, outwrestled Tito, threw looping rights against Sylvia, crushed Gonzaga in all aspects of the game.
The dirty boxing is definitely a specialty of his which can be seen in all of his fights, but his gameplans are much more than just that.
tito & sylvia & gonzaga were all the same gameplan. clinch dirty box takedown. of course he threw looping rights on sylvia. watch any fight where there is a significant height & reach difference and you will see the same thing.
dunno maybe im just bitter about everything randys done lately.
Why what has he done?
he didnt honor his contract. he signed a contract for like 250k a fight and ppv percentages or something. he beats tim & gabe and throws a bitch fit because he felt others were getting more. so he sits out for like a year trying to fight fedor or some shit.
news flash randy. you got gtfo twice by a light heavy and you come out of retirement and the ufc gives you the biggest gift title shot ever and a contract that was better than you probably deserved. finish your last two fights and get a new contract or dont sign the damn thing.
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Stim_Abuser   United States. Nov 13 2008 19:58. Posts 7499
i dislike lesnar just as much for being so disrespectful to herring and riding him the last few seconds. im hoping for a double ko!
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Svenman87   United States. Nov 13 2008 20:07. Posts 4636
On November 13 2008 18:58 Stim_Abuser wrote:
i dislike lesnar just as much for being so disrespectful to herring and riding him the last few seconds. im hoping for a double ko!
Herring deserves all the shit he gets. Herring had so much potential to become a great fighter, instead of grinding it out he has gotten lazy and is still overweight.
Lesnor works hard, and it has shown. People from Minnesota are workout machines xD
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Stim_Abuser   United States. Nov 13 2008 21:27. Posts 7499
On November 13 2008 18:58 Stim_Abuser wrote:
i dislike lesnar just as much for being so disrespectful to herring and riding him the last few seconds. im hoping for a double ko!
Herring deserves all the shit he gets. Herring had so much potential to become a great fighter, instead of grinding it out he has gotten lazy and is still overweight.
Lesnor works hard, and it has shown. People from Minnesota are workout machines xD
um muscles dont show what kinda shape you are in. ex fedor. heath works hard and fights nothing but top opponents. he deserves nothing but respect.
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Daut   United States. Nov 13 2008 21:47. Posts 8955
dont presume to know everything that went on between randy and the ufc which made him not fight for the past 14 months. im sure theres a lot more to it than what was made public.
and hating on randy for going 1-2 vs chuck liddell at 205 pounds when chuck was in his prime and is the 2nd most dominant 205 in history next to wandy is stupid. when you cut the 20-25 pounds randy had to to get there you lose some of what makes you so great at the higher weight class.
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Svenman87   United States. Nov 13 2008 21:54. Posts 4636
On November 13 2008 18:58 Stim_Abuser wrote:
i dislike lesnar just as much for being so disrespectful to herring and riding him the last few seconds. im hoping for a double ko!
Herring deserves all the shit he gets. Herring had so much potential to become a great fighter, instead of grinding it out he has gotten lazy and is still overweight.
Lesnor works hard, and it has shown. People from Minnesota are workout machines xD
um muscles dont show what kinda shape you are in. ex fedor. heath works hard and fights nothing but top opponents. he deserves nothing but respect.
He should have won the fight against Nog... but he couldn't finish it because he was fucking fat and came into the fight over, he was gassed pretty quickly and he had no desire to win that fight.
On November 13 2008 16:05 Baal wrote:
the fight is amazingly even, sites are giving Lesnar around a 10% advantage but i think Coture is going to win this, mainly because Coture's main hability is intelligence, he is not particulary strong, nor a particulary effective submitter, neither an striking monster, yet he has always a very smart plan and wins with it even with superior oponents.
Classic old example was when Coture defeated the uprising Vitor Belfort when he probably had the best punching in UFC, Coture dismantelated him, and i think its going to happen the same, Randy wont do stupid shit and wrestle with Lesnar cuz he will get overpowered regardless of his superior skill, i think he will pick Lesnar apart and take a decision or a sneaky submissión.
where the hell did this randy is a master game planner shit come from? his game plan is the same in EVERY fight. clinch -> dirty box -> takedown and control against the cage.
He outboxed Chuck in fight 1, outwrestled Tito, threw looping rights against Sylvia, crushed Gonzaga in all aspects of the game.
The dirty boxing is definitely a specialty of his which can be seen in all of his fights, but his gameplans are much more than just that.
tito & sylvia & gonzaga were all the same gameplan. clinch dirty box takedown. of course he threw looping rights on sylvia. watch any fight where there is a significant height & reach difference and you will see the same thing.
dunno maybe im just bitter about everything randys done lately.
nah tito was all him outwrestling him and dominating top position in every round. sylvia was outboxing head movement changing levels and takedown. gonzaga was pushing him against the fence and using level changing fakes to land shots and then to repush him against the fence. no offense i know you train mma/watch mma but if you didn't notice those then you probably need to rewatch the fights.
Also i train in clinch/wrestling myself so maybe it's far easier for me to notice these things.
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Stim_Abuser   United States. Nov 13 2008 22:09. Posts 7499
On November 13 2008 20:47 Daut wrote:
dont presume to know everything that went on between randy and the ufc which made him not fight for the past 14 months. im sure theres a lot more to it than what was made public.
and hating on randy for going 1-2 vs chuck liddell at 205 pounds when chuck was in his prime and is the 2nd most dominant 205 in history next to wandy is stupid. when you cut the 20-25 pounds randy had to to get there you lose some of what makes you so great at the higher weight class.
well i call it as i see it and everything randy whined about the ufc proved wrong. randy was saying he was only making like 800k total from his two fights and the ufc came out and showed bank records etc showing he made WELL over that. like 3 million.
i dont hate on randy at all for losing those fights. im just saying he has no right to complain after the fact he got a title shot after being ko'd twice into retirement from a lhw. he should be jumping for joy the ufc gave him that opportunity. he was treated extremely well imo and got greedy.
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Stim_Abuser   United States. Nov 13 2008 22:20. Posts 7499
On November 13 2008 16:05 Baal wrote:
the fight is amazingly even, sites are giving Lesnar around a 10% advantage but i think Coture is going to win this, mainly because Coture's main hability is intelligence, he is not particulary strong, nor a particulary effective submitter, neither an striking monster, yet he has always a very smart plan and wins with it even with superior oponents.
Classic old example was when Coture defeated the uprising Vitor Belfort when he probably had the best punching in UFC, Coture dismantelated him, and i think its going to happen the same, Randy wont do stupid shit and wrestle with Lesnar cuz he will get overpowered regardless of his superior skill, i think he will pick Lesnar apart and take a decision or a sneaky submissión.
where the hell did this randy is a master game planner shit come from? his game plan is the same in EVERY fight. clinch -> dirty box -> takedown and control against the cage.
He outboxed Chuck in fight 1, outwrestled Tito, threw looping rights against Sylvia, crushed Gonzaga in all aspects of the game.
The dirty boxing is definitely a specialty of his which can be seen in all of his fights, but his gameplans are much more than just that.
tito & sylvia & gonzaga were all the same gameplan. clinch dirty box takedown. of course he threw looping rights on sylvia. watch any fight where there is a significant height & reach difference and you will see the same thing.
dunno maybe im just bitter about everything randys done lately.
nah tito was all him outwrestling him and dominating top position in every round. sylvia was outboxing head movement changing levels and takedown. gonzaga was pushing him against the fence and using level changing fakes to land shots and then to repush him against the fence. no offense i know you train mma/watch mma but if you didn't notice those then you probably need to rewatch the fights.
Also i train in clinch/wrestling myself so maybe it's far easier for me to notice these things.
none of which is really master game planning imo. set up takedowns clinch and take them down and control them. some small details change but thats something you see in most professional matchups.
vs sylvia: what else is there to do? pretty standard gameplan to throw overhands to get inside of tims range then clinch up and takedown. i think everyone knew this would be randys game plan here.
vs gabe: same thing basically. just use the fence more to neutralize gabes very good jiu jitsu. all wrestlers do this vs bjj guys. nothing special there. i also think gabe wins this fight had it not been for the accidental head butt broken nose thing. he quit after that.
i mean im not saying randy isnt a good fighter but i think hes very overrated and his gameplans are pretty basic and others have used the same game plans prior to randy in the same type of matchups.
when i think of really good game planning i think of fedor vs crocop.
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Stim_Abuser   United States. Nov 13 2008 22:23. Posts 7499
i will give you this though randy executes his game plans very well which is why i think he beats people he " shouldn't "
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On November 13 2008 22:04 Fox wrote:
dude the way he boxed lidell vs how he boxed sylvia is like COMPLETELY different.
of course it is due to tim sylvias size. thats basics when fighting a much taller fighter. ;o
and against a passive outboxer like crocop you should press him?
i mean you think fedor is the god of gameplans but randy is just doing obvious stuff?
regarding fedor... minus the game plan stuff yes i do. ;]
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Stim_Abuser   United States. Nov 15 2008 01:12. Posts 7499
recent thread on sherdog about randys game planning ;]
epic bump from me tomorrow when lesnar wins. though i would like to see nog beat randy more than id like to see nog beat lesnar. oh well.
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whamm!   Albania. Nov 15 2008 09:15. Posts 11625
hmm i think lesnar would kill couture in the first round. if lesnar gets any better over time, i think lesnar vs fedor would be a whole lot better than couture vs fedor
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Python817   Canada. Nov 15 2008 14:11. Posts 2733
On November 15 2008 08:15 whamm! wrote:
hmm i think lesnar would kill couture in the first round. if lesnar gets any better over time, i think lesnar vs fedor would be a whole lot better than couture vs fedor
lets not get carried away now
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Baalim   Mexico. Nov 15 2008 14:13. Posts 34312
On November 15 2008 00:12 Stim_Abuser wrote:
recent thread on sherdog about randys game planning ;]
epic bump from me tomorrow when lesnar wins. though i would like to see nog beat randy more than id like to see nog beat lesnar. oh well.
about "brilliant planning" there isnt one, its a fight not chess, there is almost never a brilliant plan, the plans are pretty simple and straight foward, the execution is the hard part, you see fighters all the time loosing their plan in the middle of the heat, for example, last Koscheck's fight, it was very clear he was a better wrestler and he were outstriked the whole fight, he should have quickly realized that he was inferior in striking and should have gone for the takedown, he never did and he got owned by an underdog.
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Baalim   Mexico. Nov 15 2008 14:15. Posts 34312
BTW this is a win/win situation for Dana White.
The guy who wins this will be shown to the world as the only contender to beat Fedor i guarantee it. (and none of them has a chance)
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SfydjkLm   Belarus. Nov 15 2008 14:36. Posts 3810
On November 13 2008 18:58 Stim_Abuser wrote:
i dislike lesnar just as much for being so disrespectful to herring and riding him the last few seconds. im hoping for a double ko!
Herring deserves all the shit he gets. Herring had so much potential to become a great fighter, instead of grinding it out he has gotten lazy and is still overweight.
Lesnor works hard, and it has shown. People from Minnesota are workout machines xD
um muscles dont show what kinda shape you are in. ex fedor. heath works hard and fights nothing but top opponents. he deserves nothing but respect.
Yea but thats like Fedor and Fedor. You could say Barnett, but he COULD use losing a few, his cardio is not quiet there.
Thats like one guy on sherdog said "Every time I used to look in the mirror I saw a flabby middleaged man, now I see a heavyweight champion of the world."
Muscles>no muscles.
*wink wink*
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Daut   United States. Nov 15 2008 14:36. Posts 8955
fedor could tell brock how he was going to break his arm and then still do it
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SfydjkLm   Belarus. Nov 15 2008 14:41. Posts 3810
You guys argue like gameplans are rocket science. There are good and there are bad, there is nothing inbetween or above.
Randy's gameplan genius is in the fact that he always gets them right.
Consistency. Most important word. Ever.
And Fedor always claims to not have a gameplan xD
*wink wink*
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Daut   United States. Nov 15 2008 15:50. Posts 8955
brown bears that can perform armbars dont need gameplans
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nicksson   Sweden. Nov 15 2008 17:37. Posts 4662
Svenman87   United States. Nov 16 2008 00:07. Posts 4636
YAAA
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Svenman87   United States. Nov 16 2008 00:07. Posts 4636
ROFCKRECKl;xfksfdljf sdklj ROCKED!
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hkbubbletea   Canada. Nov 16 2008 00:11. Posts 1575
Man I almost thought Randy could pull it off but Brock's got so much power in even his smallest punches. What's going to happen to Randy?
Raise me and die.
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SfydjkLm   Belarus. Nov 16 2008 00:13. Posts 3810
Yet i still get this feeling if Brock was to fight Fedor he'd get Zulued. Hopefully itll happen eventually tho.
*wink wink*
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whamm!   Albania. Nov 16 2008 00:13. Posts 11625
On November 15 2008 08:15 whamm! wrote:
hmm i think lesnar would kill couture in the first round. if lesnar gets any better over time, i think lesnar vs fedor would be a whole lot better than couture vs fedor
i run like god in mma / boxing picks obv
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Stim_Abuser   United States. Nov 16 2008 00:16. Posts 7499
On November 15 2008 08:15 whamm! wrote:
hmm i think lesnar would kill couture in the first round. if lesnar gets any better over time, i think lesnar vs fedor would be a whole lot better than couture vs fedor
i run like god in mma / boxing picks obv
lesnar over handy was a pretty standard pick imo
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Svenman87   United States. Nov 16 2008 00:21. Posts 4636
I love reading sherdog forums after a fight like this
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hkbubbletea   Canada. Nov 16 2008 00:22. Posts 1575
Yeah cause usually they are down from the infinite f5s.
Raise me and die.
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Daut   United States. Nov 16 2008 01:09. Posts 8955
i went into the fight praying randy would win and having a sinking feeling in my gut that lesnar would win. during the fight i actually felt like randy would win a high %. also felt like brock's best chance of victory was in standup cause randy was winning the clinch and brock was getting tired. both looked better than i expected (liked lesnar's cautious/methodical plan and improved standup, and randy's clinch game looked like it was going to overtake the fight at some point), but lesnar doesnt have much of a chance vs nog next year
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NotSorry   United States. Nov 16 2008 01:33. Posts 2603
Lesnar is improving fast, but he still has no chance in hell vs Nog.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.
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bane   United States. Nov 16 2008 01:37. Posts 2379
so lesnar won?
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Baalim   Mexico. Nov 16 2008 01:45. Posts 34312
damn so sick, Lesnar was getting out of gas quickly but lands a lucky shot at the temple :<
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Three7MTL   Canada. Nov 16 2008 02:25. Posts 597
On November 16 2008 00:45 Baal wrote:
damn so sick, Lesnar was getting out of gas quickly but lands a lucky shot at the temple :<
pretty much sums it up. ugh, I'm so sad for Randy even though I had the feeling crawling up that Lesnar would overcome. fuckfuckfuck.
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NotSorry   United States. Nov 16 2008 03:12. Posts 2603
waiting for all the fanbois to come back with "if he was 10 years younger he would have wrecked him"
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.
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Baalim   Mexico. Nov 16 2008 03:31. Posts 34312
errrr Randy sucked 10 years ago, its when he came back older when he started destroying everyone.
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NotSorry   United States. Nov 16 2008 05:58. Posts 2603
On November 16 2008 02:31 Baal wrote:
errrr Randy sucked 10 years ago, its when he came back older when he started destroying everyone.
Hell Randy sucked 2years ago when he was getting KTFO into retirement. It's when he came back vs an injured Timmeh and unranked Gabe that people thought he was destroying everyone.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.
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Raidern   Brasil. Nov 16 2008 07:46. Posts 4248
I really liked the event, even though I was cheering so hard for Couture! It's kind of a disappointing loss, especially since the fight played out a little bit different than I expected. I thought Lesnar would go out in full force, something like in his fight against Herring. Couture was actually controlling it pretty well. But, in my opinion, what rocked him out wasn't only just that punch, but more like a knee to the face that 'happened' just a few seconds prior to that punch.
I liked the other fights of the event as well. The Gonzaga fight means nothing because the other guy looked really crappy in my opinion. Gonzaga is strong as a beast, but I still have the feeling he gasses too quickly. Ouch my memory is failing me here, I cant really remember all the fights that happened that well, but the event was nice.
[edit]I just saw the 'awards' of the night, and they were all very deserved. That knock out by Jeremy Stephens against Dos Anjos was just unreal. It was one of the most beautiful KOs I've seen! Also that submission by Hazelett. How quickly was that, huh? He made he movement so fast, it looked so easy on TV. Just great.
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nicksson   Sweden. Nov 16 2008 08:03. Posts 4662
On November 16 2008 00:09 Daut wrote:
i went into the fight praying randy would win and having a sinking feeling in my gut that lesnar would win. during the fight i actually felt like randy would win a high %. also felt like brock's best chance of victory was in standup cause randy was winning the clinch and brock was getting tired. both looked better than i expected (liked lesnar's cautious/methodical plan and improved standup, and randy's clinch game looked like it was going to overtake the fight at some point), but lesnar doesnt have much of a chance vs nog next year
exactly how I was feeling, tho I think Lesnar will have a chance against Nog, but I hope Nog breaks his arm
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nicksson   Sweden. Nov 16 2008 08:04. Posts 4662
or rip his head of
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nicksson   Sweden. Nov 16 2008 08:05. Posts 4662
Oh, and Maia is a beast, give him Bisping next, Hazelett against Mcrory was great, would like to see that fight go to the 3rd round
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Breeze   Bulgaria. Nov 16 2008 09:12. Posts 802
Apparently Fedor lost to a bulgarian combat sambo fighter today by points, haven't found a video yet
Edit: At least an old match between the two
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Couture was owning him badly. He took a huge shot to the brain what can you say?
Florian when he fought sherk was like 150 supply of zealots/goons/temps/obs which is solid
Florian when he fought joe was like 200 supply reaver/archon/zealot/temp/dark archon/goon/obs
HE IS UPGRADED. VERY impressed. in fact bj is probably HAPPY the way he won cuz now he can take it as a challenge if he were to lose to gsp.
Maia what can i say, i told naz i think all maia has to do is take it to the ground once. I thought if quarry could drag it into the later rounds and his power shots could wear down maia, but maia had none of it and man.... look out 185 cuz if he gets anderson down anderson is seriously done for.
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Stim_Abuser   United States. Nov 16 2008 17:28. Posts 7499
On November 16 2008 12:01 Fox wrote:
Couture was owning him badly. He took a huge shot to the brain what can you say?
Florian when he fought sherk was like 150 supply of zealots/goons/temps/obs which is solid
Florian when he fought joe was like 200 supply reaver/archon/zealot/temp/dark archon/goon/obs
HE IS UPGRADED. VERY impressed. in fact bj is probably HAPPY the way he won cuz now he can take it as a challenge if he were to lose to gsp.
Maia what can i say, i told naz i think all maia has to do is take it to the ground once. I thought if quarry could drag it into the later rounds and his power shots could wear down maia, but maia had none of it and man.... look out 185 cuz if he gets anderson down anderson is seriously done for.
uhhh? brock won the first round. and he wobbled handy in the second round and was winning it until the ko. and i wouldnt say getting ko'd by brocks basically only combination the 1-2 isa lucky punch. handy did look better than i expected though and i was extremely surprised to see brock getting gassed. he goes through a very similar strength and conditioning as sherk.
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Stim_Abuser   United States. Nov 16 2008 17:36. Posts 7499
oh and holy shit kenflo has balls.
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Daut   United States. Nov 16 2008 17:45. Posts 8955
On November 16 2008 02:12 NotSorry wrote:
waiting for all the fanbois to come back with "if he was 10 years younger he would have wrecked him"
i honestly dont think age has much to do with it. maybe he would bob and weave and have better reflexes 10 years ago, but if randy didnt lose the standup i think he wins the fight. not saying i think randy wins if he avoids that punch because more punches are coming that can do the same thing, but randy was definitely winning the clinch at that point and it was only going to get harder for brock
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acob   United States. Nov 16 2008 20:41. Posts 123
looked more like brock was conserving energy than he was tired.. he was just slow overall
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Baalim   Mexico. Nov 16 2008 20:50. Posts 34312
i foudn hillarious when Coture was slowly taking brock down pulling his leg and then Brock stood up in like a second like Randy was a child pulling his leg.
And yeah Brock was winning so far but he was getting gassed quickly in the middle of the 2nd round, as said earlier, cotoure's plan was working and tiring this big man, he got caught on a punch.
Also does anybody else think those hammers to finish Randy were fucking weak? i mean see the size of Brock and he hit him like 20 times and he couldnt knock him out... Randleman needed 3 shots to knock Mirko out cold.
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Daut   United States. Nov 16 2008 20:52. Posts 8955
On November 16 2008 19:50 Baal wrote:
i foudn hillarious when Coture was slowly taking brock down pulling his leg and then Brock stood up in like a second like Randy was a child pulling his leg.
And yeah Brock was winning so far but he was getting gassed quickly in the middle of the 2nd round, as said earlier, cotoure's plan was working and tiring this big man, he got caught on a punch.
Also does anybody else think those hammers to finish Randy were fucking weak? i mean see the size of Brock and he hit him like 20 times and he couldnt knock him out... Randleman needed 3 shots to knock Mirko out cold.
it looked like he was jerking off his chest cock
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Svenman87   United States. Nov 16 2008 21:34. Posts 4636
On November 16 2008 19:50 Baal wrote:
i foudn hillarious when Coture was slowly taking brock down pulling his leg and then Brock stood up in like a second like Randy was a child pulling his leg.
And yeah Brock was winning so far but he was getting gassed quickly in the middle of the 2nd round, as said earlier, cotoure's plan was working and tiring this big man, he got caught on a punch.
Also does anybody else think those hammers to finish Randy were fucking weak? i mean see the size of Brock and he hit him like 20 times and he couldnt knock him out... Randleman needed 3 shots to knock Mirko out cold.
ofc they were 'fucking weak' Randy was deflecting most of them pretty well, that's why it wasn't insta-stopped because he was still defending himself. But you could see the ref jump in as soon as Brock started 'tossing dem bowz'
The biggest strength I think Brock has is his knees. It doesn't matter how good your defense is, it seems like if he winds up a knee, it's gonna do damage. the knees he laid into heath... :'(
I want to see Zaga vs Brock :D or Zulu vs Brock for the freakshow factor.
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Stim_Abuser   United States. Nov 17 2008 00:33. Posts 7499
anyone notice randy was sponsored by fulltilt?
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SfydjkLm   Belarus. Nov 17 2008 01:00. Posts 3810
yea i did. And McCrory was sponsored by Affliction but they timely cut away from his banner as it was unrolling to f
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Breeze   Bulgaria. Nov 18 2008 10:44. Posts 802
Fedor's loss (edit: first 30 seconds are some other match)
red - blagoy ivanov (bulgaria); blue - fedor
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casinocasino   Canada. Nov 18 2008 10:57. Posts 3347
I have no idea what happaned in that video above.
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Baalim   Mexico. Nov 18 2008 11:09. Posts 34312
On November 18 2008 09:44 Breeze wrote:
Fedor's loss (edit: first 30 seconds are some other match)
red - blagoy ivanov (bulgaria); blue - fedor
ROFL @sambo competitions
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Daut   United States. Nov 18 2008 14:23. Posts 8955
On November 18 2008 09:57 casinocasino wrote:
I have no idea what happaned in that video above.
basically sambo is like a judo competition where they allow strikes. if it gets to the ground you get a few points for holding a position for a certain amount of time and unless you advance position immediately they stand you up after like 5-10 seconds (same as judo). fedor lost 9-5 on points. he has lost in sambo before but i think hes been world champion like 5 years running before this and now he is fighting for 3rd place
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Raidern   Brasil. Nov 18 2008 22:05. Posts 4248
i was talking about it with naz
if fedor plays chess and loses it feels weird
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Stim_Abuser   United States. Nov 18 2008 22:15. Posts 7499
fedor competed against the same guy earlier this year and won. wonder if fedor was out of shape or anything.
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Baalim   Mexico. Nov 18 2008 22:16. Posts 34312
On November 18 2008 21:05 Raidern wrote:
i was talking about it with naz
On November 18 2008 21:15 Stim_Abuser wrote:
fedor competed against the same guy earlier this year and won. wonder if fedor was out of shape or anything.
he's beaten him twice. but his opponent is very good and probably focuses far more on combat sambo then fedor and probably a reason he's been able to take him down finally.
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Baalim   Mexico. Nov 18 2008 22:20. Posts 34312
On November 18 2008 21:15 Stim_Abuser wrote:
fedor competed against the same guy earlier this year and won. wonder if fedor was out of shape or anything.
5 minute fights and with a point system, it just seems really high variance.
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Python817   Canada. Nov 18 2008 22:32. Posts 2733
On November 18 2008 21:15 Stim_Abuser wrote:
fedor competed against the same guy earlier this year and won. wonder if fedor was out of shape or anything.
5 minute fights and with a point system, it just seems really high variance.
I also blame the variance for fedor losing
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Breeze   Bulgaria. Nov 19 2008 04:21. Posts 802
Award ceremony with Fedor on the lowest step of the podium seemed wrong too
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Daut   United States. Nov 19 2008 04:25. Posts 8955
It's too bad it will never happen in a million years. LOL at trying to get it co-promoted between M1, ufc and affliction FJDRDD LOL SERIOUSLY? better chance of me fucking jessica alba in the next month than that ever happening. besides that copromotion problem, i seriously doubt dana would want to let the world see what fedor would do to brock, theres no chance he allows this fight to happen unless fedor signs a multifight deal in the ufc
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Fraser   Canada. Nov 19 2008 05:32. Posts 4605
Poll: What would LP rather see ?
(Vote): Fedor beating down Lesnar
(Vote): Daut layin the the pipe to Alba
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Breeze   Bulgaria. Nov 19 2008 07:37. Posts 802
Fedor beating down Alba
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Baalim   Mexico. Nov 19 2008 08:41. Posts 34312
Lesnar will have pretty much the same plan as Daut... just Lay and pray
Fedor getting top position and molesting lesnar or Alba getting top position and molesting Daut.
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Svenman87   United States. Nov 19 2008 12:41. Posts 4636
Alba laying the pipe down in daut.
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Baalim   Mexico. Nov 19 2008 12:43. Posts 34312
Alba will fist Daut relentlessly
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Daut   United States. Nov 19 2008 13:32. Posts 8955
On November 19 2008 07:41 Baal wrote:
Lesnar will have pretty much the same plan as Daut... just Lay and pray
lesnar would last about as long as i would.....12 seconds
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traxamillion   United States. Nov 19 2008 13:51. Posts 10468
Lesnar is unbelievably beast and out of 10 fights with Fedor i doubt he loses them all
1 Brock haymaker could knock out any human
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nicksson   Sweden. Nov 19 2008 14:17. Posts 4662
Fedor is a beast and would kill everyone, but how sick is penn against gsp gonna be, I wan't bj to win but at the same time I wanna see gsp fight silva, so I guess it's a win/win
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YoMeR   United States. Nov 19 2008 14:36. Posts 12438
my mind cannot comprehend the thought of fedor losing.
the fuck
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traxamillion   United States. Nov 19 2008 15:34. Posts 10468
Have u seen fedor's younger brother Aleksander Emelianenko fight? He is top10 ranked and Fedor even says he has more natural talent but he doesn't train that hard, is a gangster and did years in the pen.
Just watched some youtube vids of this crazy russian with a mullet knockin people out
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Daut   United States. Nov 19 2008 16:53. Posts 8955
aleks is bigger/stronger than fedor, but his ground game is nowhere near fedor level. he has good takedowns, standup, gnp, but his back skills and subs are not super high level like his brothers. but keep in mind, he has 3 losses and they are to crocop, werdum and barnett, and has a couple nice wins, most notably sergei
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traxamillion   United States. Nov 19 2008 17:52. Posts 10468
yea some people are considering his stand up the best in MMA but looks like he might have been banned from fighting in the US
I wanna see Fedor fight again though that fight vs tim sylvia was :/