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On November 13 2008 01:51 vegable wrote: The whole point of advancing technological weaponry is to create a large disparity between the killing effectiveness of 'us' and 'them'. So whether it be guns, daggers or rocks it doesn't matter. The purpose(s) for owning a gun or any weapon will vary but ultimately what matters is the individual's motives. The reasons you listed above: self defence hunting are perfectly valid and obviously practical. But you will have to elaborate on the militia part. If your instructor just asked you guys to write a 4 page paper on "is gunz guud???" then thats hardly worthy of an ethics paper assignment, much less a 5th grade journal entry. Paper should be easier than NL2 yo you can beat NL2 without help can't you?

i hate writing and 2nl is sketchy..

I don't think it was funny, I just felt like it had to happen. Sorry.

Back to creating a military... An extreme majority of military personnel is conservative and would be pissed if guns were taken away from citizens/themselves when they are citizens again. If something were to happen, most of the military would leave and create a militia...and probably bring supplies they would need along. Also, shit you think it would be hard to get automatic weapons?? go anywhere... like i dunno, mexico, venezula, columbia...they would be happy to deal with anyone involving the black market.

Murders... Chicago has a law that you CANNOT have a weapon within city boundries.
15.6 people are murdered per year for every 100,000 people living in chicago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Chicago

3 murders since 1980 in Kennesaw, Georgia, a town of 21,000 people. 1980 they had a law passed mandating that the head of the household MUST have a firearm in the house. They have seen an 89% decrease in ALL CRIMES since this law in 1980.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennesaw...of_resulting_burglary-rate_statistics


PLEASE READ
http://www.mcsm.org/kennesaw.html

no disrespect 84o... but personally i think gun control is good to prevent shit like this happening:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)

Bryant passed by at least two people. Ahead of him were Nanette Mikac (Née Moulton) and her two young children, Madeline, 3, and Alannah, 6 years old. Nanette was carrying Madeline and Alannah was running slightly ahead. By now they had run approximately 600 metres from the car park. Nanette told Alannah, "We're safe now, pumpkin." Bryant opened his door and slowed down. Mrs Mikac moved towards the car, apparently thinking he was offering them help in escaping. Several more people witnessed this from further down the road. Someone then recognised him as the gunman and yelled out "It's him!". Calmly, Bryant told Mrs Mikac to get on her knees. She did so, saying, "Please don't hurt my babies". Bryant then shot her in the temple, killing her, before firing a shot at Madeleine, which hit her in the shoulder, before shooting her fatally through the chest. Alannah ran off and hid behind a tree. Bryant shot twice at Alannah, as she ran behind the tree, missing. He then walked up, pressed the barrel of the gun into her neck and fired, killing her instantly.

probably different here though since there are a lot less gangs, crime and weapons dealing + Show Spoiler +

so the "bad" guys probly cant get guns as easily as in the USA.

i always thought the days of swords and shields were much better than this day an age where a stray bullet can kill you in combat.

then it was much more skillful in times of war

i think guns are +ev for all countries, although who receives them should be much more limited than it is now.

swords > guns > random bullets < life

GL
Ryan

lachlan, you cannot prevent people from being crazy. The determined individual will always be able to get a gun. The world is corrupt and most definitely an ugly place.

If guns were outlawed, the law abiding would have no guns while the gangs and criminals would get them from other countries and out the backdoor if they didn't already have them. So I can see really no point to outlawing them.

On November 13 2008 02:27 lachlan wrote: no disrespect 84o... but personally i think gun control is good to prevent shit like this happening: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia) Show nested quote + Bryant passed by at least two people. Ahead of him were Nanette Mikac (Née Moulton) and her two young children, Madeline, 3, and Alannah, 6 years old. Nanette was carrying Madeline and Alannah was running slightly ahead. By now they had run approximately 600 metres from the car park. Nanette told Alannah, "We're safe now, pumpkin." Bryant opened his door and slowed down. Mrs Mikac moved towards the car, apparently thinking he was offering them help in escaping. Several more people witnessed this from further down the road. Someone then recognised him as the gunman and yelled out "It's him!". Calmly, Bryant told Mrs Mikac to get on her knees. She did so, saying, "Please don't hurt my babies". Bryant then shot her in the temple, killing her, before firing a shot at Madeleine, which hit her in the shoulder, before shooting her fatally through the chest. Alannah ran off and hid behind a tree. Bryant shot twice at Alannah, as she ran behind the tree, missing. He then walked up, pressed the barrel of the gun into her neck and fired, killing her instantly. probably different here though since there are a lot less gangs, crime and weapons dealing + Show Spoiler + (except maybe sydney and melbourne). so the "bad" guys probly cant get guns as easily as in the USA.

It's a terrible incident, and i wish these things never would never happen. Obviously i don't want 35 innocent people including woman and children murdered. I hope this scumbag gets the worst day of his life everyday in prison, if he didn't get the death penalty. However lachlan, i see your point, and it is very valid, makes sense. The thing is, this is always going to happen. I don't know if he obtained the gun legally or not, but thats besides the point. If this nutcase has already made it up in his mind that he is going to take innocent lives, then hes going to do it no matter what. If you make every gun in the world illegal, the only people that are going to obey the law are the people that are not crazy, and won't kill innocent people. Only the good guys obey the law, so only the good guys won't have guns. The bad guys are then left to go do whatever they want, they have all the power to do whatever they want. I don't know the laws of Australia, but we had a similair situation at a University...


Virginia Tech University...
33 students were murdered by a crazy man who killed himself when policed arrived minutes after the initial phone call for help was made. This happened at VT and so many people were killed because it was a "Gun Free Zone". All the people that obey the law didn't have firearms, obv. It's against the law to have one on campus. So now you have a madman that has already made the decision he is going to go through a dormatory and kill as many people as possible until police arrive, and then kill himself. It took them 2 minutes to get there lachlan. thats 2 minutes of free time to kill as many people as possible for him.
Take this and turn it into australia and that situation: The dorm will represent Australia where i am guessing they have very tight gun control and not many people (if any) have a gun. If someone was in that dorm with a hand gun, who was licensed and proven to be sane, he could have saved 30 lives. *BANG BANG* realize what has happened, get the gun, figure out a plan of action and execute that plan. It's extremely possible that 30 lives could have been saved. This is evident when there was a man with a sniper rifle back in the 1950's in a tower at the University of Texas. He was in a tower, 300+feet in the air sniping people as they were going to class. No one could get in the tower, and a pistol isn't going to shoot 100 yards up in the air, and if you miss, who knows where the bullet is going, and if by chance you do get a bullet in the small window with a pistol 100 yards in the air, it's very unlikely you will hit him as he is hiding back in the shadows of the tower. Luckily, this was back when you COULD have weapons at UT, and the hunters with their rifles in their dormatory sniped the sniper, and saved who knows how many lives.


Please read this Lachlan...
http://www.mcsm.org/kennesaw.html

and visit Kennesaw, Georgia's WIKI site that i linked in a previous post.
89% reduced crime rate OF ALL CRIMES since 1980 when it was mandatory that you had to have a firearm.

you annoy me so fcking much eightfago

what stakes do you play so i can sit at your tables and take your money and disuade you from ever visiting this site again since you no longer play poker

On November 13 2008 02:56 CrownRoyal wrote: you annoy me so fcking much eightfago what stakes do you play so i can sit at your tables and take your money and disuade you from ever visiting this site again since you no longer play poker

Grade A post jackwad. Everyone's been mature and we've been having a great discussion and learning a lot from each other until this. W2G. No seriously. We're learning from each other's experiences and whats important to them, and you want to take all my poker money bc you disagree with me. Real mature. Quit asking for stakes from me, go back to playing WoW, and live in your bubble loser. "eightfago" wow. thank God i have a life.

I am sure milkman is next.

rofl jackwad

hahahaha

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You aren't doing this to learn anything you are doing it for attention and to show everyone how fucking retarded you are or something

You don't post anything constructive, you just post incoherent shit that i can't even read because it's so terribly constructed and laid out. Your views on everything are wrong and you aren't interesting.

I pretty much just fucking loathe everything about you. just thought i'd fill you in on my opinion of you, you jerkwad.

it's a fact that people who own guns are less likely to commit crimes than someone who doesn't and I don't even disagree with liberal gun control, who gives a fuck if you're going to kill someone you're going to do it.

i'm not against any of 8fagos ideas i just can't even read more than a sentence of anything he writes because it's sooooooo horribly written. I could write better in swahili than 8fago can in his native tongue.

Yes sir, guns are great.

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lol devon is here, ya'll come in groups then??

Anyway

You aren't doing this to learn anything you are doing it for attention and to show everyone how fucking retarded you are or something

already said i'm doing this to write a paper, so obv you can't read/interpret what you've read.


Devon -
Already said i hate writing, i'm not good at it, i am not done with my paper, and i haven't revised it. So yes, it's of poor quality.

Yes, if someone is attacking me with a gun, i'm going to kill them. Already made that decision. So i am a law abiding citizen who accidently sees a drug deal. They have to kill me now. Because of twats like you who take my gun away, i'm dead. But hey i have a gun for self defense, i can kill these two people and continue to live. Sounds right to me. Oh wait we got rid of guns!!! wtf are these drug dealers doing w/ them if we got rid of them?? Ahhh they deal drugs and kill people b/c they're in a gang. Assholes are breaking the law. makes no sense. I'm not going to give someone power and be someones bitch. You can.

"Cave Men"
Yeah well i take pride in being able to hunt and provide for myself and not having to be reliant on someone else. Obv you are the governments bitch and do w/e they say and take all these free handouts and suck their cock. Thats cool. If you don't want to man up and provide for yourself, and be dependent your whole life, it's your choice. I'm what we call "independent". It's nice.


And hey we both agree on one thing
GO USA

On November 13 2008 03:15 Guillaume wrote: Yes sir, guns are great. + Show Spoiler +

OK well i've already said this A MILLION TIMES but i'll do it again. I'm not for pointless murder and destruction. I am for protecting one'self from situations where he was innocently put into a scenario that he could be killed, I am for the 2nd amendment protecting my rights as a US Citizen to be free and continue to be free. And i'm for hunting.

Well this thread has been taken over by left winged cock sucker devon and his gang of protesters, so i'm going to go to bed.

Good Night LP and happy hunting =)

if you're writing this paper for a class i think you will have better luck with plagiarizing and hoping to get away with it rather than turning this shit in and getting an automatic F.

(I'm really being serious)