Live 1/2 FR advice plz

what sort hole cards would you initially limp/raise with in early-mid pos, if you just sat down for 100bbs and expect the games to be generally loose-passive pre and postflop?

specifically, how would you play:

small pairs
mid pairs
suited connectors
AT+
Axs
broadways

by the way, if i raise in ep pre, seeing a flop +5way is expected 95% of the time (lol prolly not 95% but VERY FREQUENTLY). ppl call 7-8bb raises pre with random shit soooo often. so the more or less standard pfr is 5bb+. you're playing against a variety of stack sizes, 50bbs to 500bbs, so if being deep changes your ranges, then let's talk about that too.

college doesn't suck

you must not attend a pathetic land grant university then

Not an expert but based on your info, set mine any PP from any position, and raise your premiums to some ridiculous 8xbb+ pre, limp along all sorts of suited aces, connectors, and gappers. Although I guess that's already assumed.

this isn't 2nl FR

On October 16 2008 00:05 goodguysm wrote: this isn't 2nl FR

You're right. It's probably softer.

On October 16 2008 00:18 Pulda wrote: Show nested quote + On October 16 2008 00:05 goodguysm wrote: this isn't 2nl FR You're right. It's probably softer.

+1

play tight imo. that's all

wtf play loose as fuck in position and bully everyone cause live players are nits.

anything suited in CO+1, CO, and BT=raise; even if someone has already limped

yeah position play is obv pretty simple

i was actually asking about hand selection in ep+mp play though

I play this frequently and really believe in making any pp or axs $7 even suited connectors and playing your big hands ridiculous like $20 its painfully obvious but players at this level cant lay down top pair even if it is K3. They instantly assume you are wild raising this large of range and you are almost always getting paid off with your monsters. I find that no one really pays attention to position in the games I play in.

just open speculative hands for the smallest amount that will deter people from reraising and see multiway flops with hands like A3s or 22

continuation bet less often than online even if theres just 3way action

put less effort into being deceptive (just make big bets when u want to make big pots and small bets when u want to keep the street cheap)

make your small bluffs less often but actually make you massive allin river bluffs slightly more common

value bet more aggressively especially when you have some kind of top pair and much of your opponents range are draws - they will pay ridic prices to see the next card with a weak flush draw

check more often to induce bluffs from missed draws

call down more often with your bluffcatchers when people rep huge hands

On October 16 2008 01:04 collegesucks wrote: yeah position play is obv pretty simple i was actually asking about hand selection in ep+mp play though

theres really no right answer you have to use your own judgement at the table and try to do the best you can

sometimes there are live games where people play so crazily that you should open fold 97s in late position because its guaranteed to be a reraise and allin back to you

sometimes people are hella passive pre and play so poorly postflop that you should open loosely from early position

limp/minraise AA utg, shove any flop = profit.

limp AA/KK utg ALL The time.

Bluff ppl who play scare money, and valuetown/slowplay vs the monkeys

this isnt like online poker where players are going to be mathematicly cute raising 3x bb 4x bb where hed get 1 or 2 callers, even when i play live 3x 4x bb raise is like seeing a free flop for the other players or a limp call, if you have a hand you really want to protect without too many callers u need to jack it up, also try playing a positional game while limping into alot of pots as cheap as you can regardless of your hand, avoid being too agressive preflop (like 3betting with ak but obviosuly this is player dependant, but against ur casual fish), really have a TIGHT oop range, but loosen up considerably ip, i personally try to not play Ax junk in fr live because those are the hands where u start getting the hard decisions popping up and burn your cash up, try making your life as easy as possible

the most important part is try to not be too predictable and to know your opponents(start loosing up as the game progresses and as you start getting an understanding of how your table is shaped up start picking the pots you want to get involve into more), mix up your game but maintain your table image(this is where you can really know if your on your game or not), try to not get involved too much with the sharks, your main goal is to make money not trying to be the best player at the table, come in with the mentality of your going to get paid off its just a question of when

i really dont think its wise to discuss about how youd play specific hands because each game varies so much and as i said the worse thing you could possibly do is to be predictable, the discussion should be more towards the style of game your going to be playing depending on how your table is shaped up, anyways thats just my 2cents, the only way youll learn is by playing alot and losing a few bi's is part of the learning process, theory talk is fun online but obviously you need to play your own game in cashgames, if you dont feel lossed in hands then you know your doing something right

p.s: i havnt read what the other posters have said so i dont know if im repeating anything, playing loose ip is pretty basic poker in cashgames but you obviously need to know when you need to tighten up

On October 16 2008 00:34 JizzleSmitts wrote: wtf play loose as fuck in position and bully everyone cause live players are nits.

WHAT? Then why do I have to raise to at least 20 bb preflop to get to only 3-handed on the flop?

cuz they are stations, but yea they are pretty nitty mostly

live ppl are nits? rofl what in the hell.

damn those nitty stations

On October 15 2008 23:55 edzwoo wrote: Not an expert but based on your info, set mine any PP from any position, and raise your premiums to some ridiculous 8xbb+ pre, limp along all sorts of suited aces, connectors, and gappers. Although I guess that's already assumed.

nail, head

basically just raise huge with your big hands and limp everything else. you'll be limping like 80% of the hands you play. obv if the game turns out to have a lot of ultra-tight raise-or-fold nitfags then adjust and play more like a stnd online game with a ton of open raising and triple barreling and very little limping but in the loose/passive game described, play exactly like edzwoo said

On October 16 2008 16:54 [vital]Myth wrote: basically just raise huge with your big hands and limp everything else. you'll be limping like 80% of the hands you play. obv if the game turns out to have a lot of ultra-tight raise-or-fold nitfags then adjust and play more like a stnd online game with a ton of open raising and triple barreling and very little limping but in the loose/passive game described, play exactly like edzwoo said

What do you tink o huge raises with hands like A7s (or even off) in position really big ones when everybody limps, i used that in live super loose games and it turned out to be great, everobyd folds most of the itme or u get it HU and HU in position against fish = cha ching

On October 16 2008 19:35 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On October 16 2008 16:54 [vital]Myth wrote: basically just raise huge with your big hands and limp everything else. you'll be limping like 80% of the hands you play. obv if the game turns out to have a lot of ultra-tight raise-or-fold nitfags then adjust and play more like a stnd online game with a ton of open raising and triple barreling and very little limping but in the loose/passive game described, play exactly like edzwoo said What do you tink o huge raises with hands like A7s (or even off) in position really big ones when everybody limps, i used that in live super loose games and it turned out to be great, everobyd folds most of the itme or u get it HU and HU in position against fish = cha ching

i think it's clearly +EV and solid but i am pretty sure that the chance of flopping 2pair or better and having several people prepared to donate is better

but withouth the advantage of having the ZOMG MANIAC image that in live is really useful.

On October 16 2008 21:26 Baal wrote: but withouth the advantage of having the ZOMG MANIAC image that in live is really useful.

I agree with that, show the donks one or two bluffs and they think you are bluffing all the time, it can really be effective in a live game versus donks

ep mp...

limp hands like KJo ATo, ie hands that flop decent tp?

hands like 87o as well?

On October 16 2008 21:26 Baal wrote: but withouth the advantage of having the ZOMG MANIAC image that in live is really useful.

not true, people don't think nearly enough about your hand or the way you play, they just randomly tilt and do retarded shit that makes no sense. one of the most important things i have learned in all my time playing live is that...it doesn't matter how you play, almost every live fish is gonna donate to you. i see fish spew massively against the sickest nits, people who are literally just waiting for a set or better and then fish call down with like 66 on QJ743 and say "man, dang! i put him on ace king!"

On October 16 2008 21:53 collegesucks wrote: ep mp... limp hands like KJo ATo, ie hands that flop decent tp? hands like 87o as well?

i would just raise top pair type hands the same way i raise big pairs. 87o limp, ATo bomb

how low would you let ur buyin go before u reload, 60bb, 70bb, 80bb?

On October 17 2008 00:38 derdodadae wrote: how low would you let ur buyin go before u reload, 60bb, 70bb, 80bb?

just buyin 20kbb and no problem

On October 17 2008 06:41 [vital]Myth wrote: Show nested quote + On October 17 2008 00:38 derdodadae wrote: how low would you let ur buyin go before u reload, 60bb, 70bb, 80bb? just buyin 20kbb and no problem

but then people are going to complain about how you want to be the "chiplead" and bully around the table =(

rofl wat do u mean bully? this aint a tournament anyone can rebuy at any time, your chipstake might be intamidating to some players but 80% of the table wont give a shit, especially at these stakes

On October 17 2008 11:26 TT1 wrote: rofl wat do u mean bully? this aint a tournament anyone can rebuy at any time, your chipstake might be intamidating to some players but 80% of the table wont give a shit, especially at these stakes

omfg fo realz???

On October 17 2008 09:25 collegesucks wrote: Show nested quote + On October 17 2008 06:41 [vital]Myth wrote:   On October 17 2008 00:38 derdodadae wrote: how low would you let ur buyin go before u reload, 60bb, 70bb, 80bb? just buyin 20kbb and no problem but then people are going to complain about how you want to be the "chiplead" and bully around the table =(

tell them you're gonna play tight until the antes kick in

lol peachy thats a really good line

My observation is that the maniac style is the most profitable in very loose live games. But its definately not easy to play that style profitably.

Live fags love to say all in

I didn't see anyone mention this so I will, I play at the CT casino 1/2s for reference.


People's betsizing is ridiculous. It's basically LHE a lot of the time because people tend to think of bets in absolute terms rather than relative to the pot. I can't count the number of times I see someone open for 10 pre, then bet 10 into 23, then 10 into 43, then 10 more into 63. Needless to say, you almost always get chances to draw at FDs and OESDs and such. No one seems to have any sense of what they're trying to accomplish with their betsizing, nor do they take any interest in what you are trying to accomplish with yours.

Personally, I'm not a great soulreader, sick LAG, or anything like that, but I am extremely profitable live because I understand pot odds/equity/ranges/betsizing and most of the players at my table don't. I really can't emphasize enough that betsizing alone can be a significant enough edge.

ROFL i took all the great advice and played some tonight

needless to say, i dumped two buyins

by the end of the night i wanted to shoot myself because i was playing scared money

really bad bluffshove on the river

limp Ad5s pre, raised on KT4ddd board, turn paired the T, thought for a bit, checked it behind, Qc on the river, guy bet out 3/4 pot, i pushed and he snapped with T4o fml

rofl