alcohol shrinks your brain

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"The researchers believe that the findings, published in the Archives of Neurology journal, could be a result of women's smaller size and their greater susceptibility to the effects of alcohol."


At last we have scientific prooves !

Oh and fuck the researchers and their findings, it changes every year anyway

That's Hilarious being that I don't drink.

Life is all about brain volume obv.

If i dont drink a single drop i will have better memory when i shit in my diapers at 85? fucking awesome i wot drink anymore......

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On October 14 2008 10:42 devon06atX wrote: i'd rather die by 45 than live a boring 70 yrs

say that shit when ur 44

i would.. and i pity anybody who wouldnt.

I'm planning on being like Hugh Hefner tho, having 3 playboy class wives at the age of 70+, still going strong with viagra. E-z shipping.

alcohol is overrated imo

pity anybody who wouldnt?.. what makes your lifestyle so amazing that you feel sorry for people who dont have the same ideals as you?

wheres the scientific proof that links brain size with intelligence? --;

oh wait its right there in the article

fk my brain must be shrinking, too many triple shot rums w/ diet coke.

mythtrolled~

elephants rule the world obv

On October 14 2008 11:46 lebowski wrote: elephants rule the world obv

Whales will own the elephants big time. At least all the youth all over the world are drinking shitloads nowadays so we'll all get stupid, nothing too worry about, just stay ahead of the competition...

On October 14 2008 11:46 n0rthf4ce wrote: fk my brain must be shrinking, too many triple shot rums w/ diet coke.

You deserve it for mixing with diet coke.

On October 14 2008 11:37 handbanana21 wrote: pity anybody who wouldnt?.. what makes your lifestyle so amazing that you feel sorry for people who dont have the same ideals as you?

i pity anybody who chooses a boring long life than a brief fun one

I know I have hella fun with out it ...... Overrated For sure

That why I like pot way more than alcohol, gives some lung problem but it doesn't shrink the brain (well, I've read somewhere their could be some memory problem, but once you stop it comes back). Alcohol is really overrated to my eyes, but whatever float your boat, I'd much rather smoke opium or do LSD for a fun time personally. I say if you like it just gives your brain some time between heavy drinking (same goes with most drugs) .... well you know that, I hope.

On October 14 2008 12:20 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On October 14 2008 11:37 handbanana21 wrote: pity anybody who wouldnt?.. what makes your lifestyle so amazing that you feel sorry for people who dont have the same ideals as you? i pity anybody who chooses a boring long life than a brief fun one

that idea is pretty much universal dude...plus not everyone thinks alcohol = fun

then again I don't drink and my life is boring as shit :

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On October 14 2008 10:51 handbanana21 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 14 2008 10:42 devon06atX wrote: i'd rather die by 45 than live a boring 70 yrs say that shit when ur 44

LOL

On October 14 2008 12:25 GirlsRVicious wrote: I know I have hella fun with out it ...... Overrated For sure

lies, everybody know that fun without alcohol is impossible.

its possible ... but its rare ... very very very very very rare

Alcohol is one of the key things that makes life tolerable, if they told me it can shrink your penis permanently Id might give it a second though but who gives a shit about the brain lol

This suits me fine, I've decided not to get really drunk for 2 or 3 weeks.

I know I have hella fun with out it ...... Overrated For sure

Can you imagine how amazingly fun you would be having if you drank a little?

Alcohol is one of the key things that makes life tolerable, if they told me it can shrink your penis permanently Id might give it a second though but who gives a shit about the brain lol

Yes its not like world would be such a fucking great place we could stand it without booze!


btw I don't really grasp how its any intresting to observe how alcoholz effects the size of the brains? Wouldn't its effect on IQ/memory/motorical abilities (well thats a bitch to measure compared to others) be more relevant? I mean having smaller brains matters only if it is shown to weaken other abilities so why bother measuring brain size in the first place when one could measure the relevant things directly?

On October 14 2008 13:53 Spitfiree wrote: its possible ... but its rare ... very very very very very rare

yeah i were forgetting about other drugs.

On October 14 2008 09:08 asparagus wrote: lol 2 glasses a day causes shrinkage. not so funny, actually. "... the brains of people who drank more than two drinks a day shrunk by a quarter more than non-drinkers" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newst...inking-alcohol-shrinks-the-brain.html and http://www.theage.com.au/national/eve...warns-new-research-20081014-50o5.html

so no one's brain grew?

losers.

On October 14 2008 12:20 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On October 14 2008 11:37 handbanana21 wrote: pity anybody who wouldnt?.. what makes your lifestyle so amazing that you feel sorry for people who dont have the same ideals as you? i pity anybody who chooses a boring long life than a brief fun one

jesus how is it possible we disagree so vehemently on such a wide range of issues


How about this, I pity YOU because you must use chemicals or drugs to enjoy life. Rather than growing old and seeing your great grandkids and how beautiful that is you need instant gratification from poisons misfiring your brain. How pitiful

and yea, obv now you'll say at 44 you wouldnt mind dying at 45, but then when you have a life and hopefully a family and shit lets see if you wouldnt mind putting your family/friends through the horrendous pain of losing a spouse/father/brother/son/etc because he wanted "a 'more fun' short life than a long one"

Let me put you an example son, an old teacher of mine in the university was a heavy smoker and drinker, he enjoyed those vices a lot and he was cherished by most of his students, one day his habits catch up with him and he is in very poor health, so the doctors tell him to quit drinking and smoking so he can prolong his life.

He was like 68 at the time, and well in a conversation pretty much everyone said that he should take care of his health etc etc so then i say "WTF are you morons talking about... this guy has 68 years old, he has lived like a champ every second of it, this man enjoys his drink and a nice smoke after, he has lived with no regrets, let him leave this world in his terms, holding to his precious pleasures, he doesnt need to stretch his life so he can live a couple of gray and tasteless extra years".

why do people focus on putting more years into their lives rather than more life into their years?

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trust me when i say i dont quite adhere to my above post, but im well aware that a day will come that ill have to pack all this shit in and hunker down for the long haul. Im not deluding myself into thinking I can be a heavy drinker and drug user on a weekday for the rest of my life

lol so ur a heavy drinker and a drug user... hypocrisy ftw?

i dont remember saying, do drugs till you die in a dark alley, all i said is that i better have a happy fast fullfilling short life than a log gray boring one.

idunno, id call a life like stu ungar's truly and utterly worthless and pitiful. i agree with skot, living hedonistically for the present is fine for a while but at some point in your twenties you have to grow up and start living for the future instead of the present.

god baal all you do these days is spew empty cliches all over these forums.

haha yeah i wasnt going to bother to call that out but the BOLDing made it extra lame and hilarious

ecstasy is suppose to be the healthiest drug. Research shows that it rebuilds serotonin receptors in your brain.

On October 14 2008 15:39 Ket wrote: idunno, id call a life like stu ungar's truly and utterly worthless and pitiful. i agree with skot, living hedonistically for the present is fine for a while but at some point in your twenties you have to grow up and start living for the future instead of the present.

Im not talking about hedonism, im not advocating getting consumed in drug addiction.

The vast majority of people live gray lifes, they work all their lifes, they start by studing what they dont want to, then they get a mediocre job they are not very happy about, live there the rest of their lifes, have kids, grow old and die, what in the fuck, that is not a life, i rather die than live such a life.

so again, its not hedonism, its about living the moment, pursuing dream, taking chances and having fun, enjoying life at its fullest, how long you live its absolutely secondary to this, actually its so far behind, it looks almost meaningless, so when you have any age you can say ive had a full life, and seriously not many people can.

On October 14 2008 15:51 Ket wrote: haha yeah i wasnt going to bother to call that out but the BOLDing made it extra lame and hilarious

what is wrong with repeating something that is true?

On October 14 2008 15:54 Shakedown88 wrote: ecstasy is suppose to be the healthiest drug. Research shows that it rebuilds serotonin receptors in your brain.

wat? proof?

Are you serious baal or is this some sick subtle irony?

You sound like the goth kids on southpark

you mean sarcasm, not irony. And no its im not being sarcastic.

Whats living for the future exactly? massing money, building houses and spewing a couple kids ? It really depresses me to think of life in that way...
I guess its just different views, if you can get fulfillment anyway I envy you.

Btw why did this forum get so philosophical lately ? Bring back the rofl thread !

On October 14 2008 16:00 RiKD wrote: Show nested quote + On October 14 2008 15:54 Shakedown88 wrote: ecstasy is suppose to be the healthiest drug. Research shows that it rebuilds serotonin receptors in your brain. wat? proof?

it's bullcrap parrotspeak

On October 14 2008 15:54 Shakedown88 wrote: ecstasy is suppose to be the healthiest drug. Research shows that it rebuilds serotonin receptors in your brain.

lol god please dont believe this

the only nerve receptors it has to rebuild is the parts it kills, and your brain never really fixes anything to 100% perfection


you do the math

baal would this person be pathetic to you?

let's say the guy's name is joe. joe works at a job he doesn't really like at all. has it's ups and downs but in general a negative experience. he has a wife and 3 kids that he loves adoringly. his job allows him to more or less comfortably support his family. his 2nd love behind his family is golf. he is absolutely terrible at golf but loves every second of it. he also enjoys competing in triathlons. he likes going to bed by 9pm b/c less than 8 hours of sleep makes him feel terrible. he also doesn't drink b/c he doesn't like how it effects him or his goals. he's never been out of his state b/c he absolutely despises traveling. his co-workers like to go out to bw3s and watch the game and get smashed after work and hit on waitresses but joe just likes to relax w/ his family or read a book. etc etc etc.

im literally falling asleep on my desk reply later

smoke weed everday

this dosnt explain why women have smaller brains

Lol tom's right

i'd rather live a happy/exciting 70 years than a happy/exciting 45 years or a boring 70 years
imo

On October 14 2008 17:20 TalentedTom wrote: this dosnt explain why women have smaller brains

LOL because they're women YOU IDIOT LOL

getting wasted all the time is usually the symptom of someone not living a fullfilling life and not of someone living his every moment,continuous pursuit of hedonism suggests a very one dimensional character or a character that can't escape from a troubling reality

On October 14 2008 20:13 lebowski wrote: getting wasted all the time is usually the symptom of someone not living a fullfilling life and not of someone living his every moment,continuous pursuit of hedonism suggests a very one dimensional character or a character that can't escape from a troubling reality

unless it works, which it often does; in that case they do escape their troubling reality.

On October 14 2008 20:21 asdf2000 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 14 2008 20:13 lebowski wrote: getting wasted all the time is usually the symptom of someone not living a fullfilling life and not of someone living his every moment,continuous pursuit of hedonism suggests a very one dimensional character or a character that can't escape from a troubling reality unless it works, which it often does; in that case they do escape their troubling reality.

Addiction as a side effect for looking away from the problem is a heavy price to pay though

does an interesting life have to be short?

DRINK UNTIL YOU DIE

that's my saying

so far so good... You can pretend to enjoy your life as an old man but it'll never be as good as it is now, so fucking live it up while you still can live it. I'd be happy to die at the age of 50. I can honestly say losing a loved one isn't as hard as Skot states. People move on like they always do, blah blah blah I'm so cynical etc. but people will move on with or without you.

Do whatever you want and if someone ever tries to impede their will... then fuck them.

On October 14 2008 20:41 lebowski wrote: Show nested quote + On October 14 2008 20:21 asdf2000 wrote:   On October 14 2008 20:13 lebowski wrote: getting wasted all the time is usually the symptom of someone not living a fullfilling life and not of someone living his every moment,continuous pursuit of hedonism suggests a very one dimensional character or a character that can't escape from a troubling reality unless it works, which it often does; in that case they do escape their troubling reality. Addiction as a side effect for looking away from the problem is a heavy price to pay though

I agree, living each day sober IS a price to pay... fucking addicts to being sober is a sin!

alcohol also gives you boobies!

On October 14 2008 23:31 Yugless wrote: does an interesting life have to be short?

I agree with this sentiment....

Make up your own minds about what you want from life and go ahead, enjoy it...

why do people focus on putting more years into their lives rather than more life into their years?

QFFT


wow, this should be at main page quoted somewhere

On October 14 2008 16:30 RiKD wrote: baal would this person be pathetic to you? let's say the guy's name is joe. joe works at a job he doesn't really like at all. has it's ups and downs but in general a negative experience. he has a wife and 3 kids that he loves adoringly. his job allows him to more or less comfortably support his family. his 2nd love behind his family is golf. he is absolutely terrible at golf but loves every second of it. he also enjoys competing in triathlons. he likes going to bed by 9pm b/c less than 8 hours of sleep makes him feel terrible. he also doesn't drink b/c he doesn't like how it effects him or his goals. he's never been out of his state b/c he absolutely despises traveling. his co-workers like to go out to bw3s and watch the game and get smashed after work and hit on waitresses but joe just likes to relax w/ his family or read a book. etc etc etc.

Basically yes, because the Joe you are trying to describe is more complex of what you are explaining for example, he doesnt like drinking because he doesnt like how it affects him or his goals, that would be what Joe would tell you why he doesnt drink yet the true reasons might be even subconscious for him, like he fears when his consciousness is altered and he feels out of control which would mean this person doesnt drink because he fears himself (just a common example of why some people dont drink)., the motives of this person are not as simple as likes or dislikes, he is a fearful self restrained person.

So yes i pity this monodimentional fearful Joe who only is able to experience a very small part of life.

On October 14 2008 23:31 Yugless wrote: does an interesting life have to be short?

nope, but a good short one is better than a gray long one.

On October 15 2008 05:57 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On October 14 2008 16:30 RiKD wrote: baal would this person be pathetic to you? let's say the guy's name is joe. joe works at a job he doesn't really like at all. has it's ups and downs but in general a negative experience. he has a wife and 3 kids that he loves adoringly. his job allows him to more or less comfortably support his family. his 2nd love behind his family is golf. he is absolutely terrible at golf but loves every second of it. he also enjoys competing in triathlons. he likes going to bed by 9pm b/c less than 8 hours of sleep makes him feel terrible. he also doesn't drink b/c he doesn't like how it effects him or his goals. he's never been out of his state b/c he absolutely despises traveling. his co-workers like to go out to bw3s and watch the game and get smashed after work and hit on waitresses but joe just likes to relax w/ his family or read a book. etc etc etc. Basically yes, because the Joe you are trying to describe is more complex of what you are explaining for example, he doesnt like drinking because he doesnt like how it affects him or his goals, that would be what Joe would tell you why he doesnt drink yet the true reasons might be even subconscious for him, like he fears when his consciousness is altered and he feels out of control which would mean this person doesnt drink because he fears himself (just a common example of why some people dont drink)., the motives of this person are not as simple as likes or dislikes, he is a fearful self restrained person. So yes i pity this monodimentional fearful Joe who only is able to experience a very small part of life.

So basicly if anyone has diffrent prioreties or a diffrent idea of what a good life is than you do, you will use your awesome amature psychoanalysis skills to conclude that they are infact unhappy even though they wont admit it themselves.

what about someone who devotes himself to the "revolution"?
what about him Baal?

On October 15 2008 06:46 SakiSaki wrote: Show nested quote + On October 15 2008 05:57 Baal wrote:   On October 14 2008 16:30 RiKD wrote: baal would this person be pathetic to you? let's say the guy's name is joe. joe works at a job he doesn't really like at all. has it's ups and downs but in general a negative experience. he has a wife and 3 kids that he loves adoringly. his job allows him to more or less comfortably support his family. his 2nd love behind his family is golf. he is absolutely terrible at golf but loves every second of it. he also enjoys competing in triathlons. he likes going to bed by 9pm b/c less than 8 hours of sleep makes him feel terrible. he also doesn't drink b/c he doesn't like how it effects him or his goals. he's never been out of his state b/c he absolutely despises traveling. his co-workers like to go out to bw3s and watch the game and get smashed after work and hit on waitresses but joe just likes to relax w/ his family or read a book. etc etc etc. Basically yes, because the Joe you are trying to describe is more complex of what you are explaining for example, he doesnt like drinking because he doesnt like how it affects him or his goals, that would be what Joe would tell you why he doesnt drink yet the true reasons might be even subconscious for him, like he fears when his consciousness is altered and he feels out of control which would mean this person doesnt drink because he fears himself (just a common example of why some people dont drink)., the motives of this person are not as simple as likes or dislikes, he is a fearful self restrained person. So yes i pity this monodimentional fearful Joe who only is able to experience a very small part of life. So basicly if anyone has diffrent prioreties or a diffrent idea of what a good life is than you do, you will use your awesome amature psychoanalysis skills to conclude that they are infact unhappy even though they wont admit it themselves.

Wrong, there are many many different priorities than mine that i consider a real full life, let me put an example, a guy i know that doesnt drink, and goes to sleep at 9pm, travels around the world in his bike to pretty much cross the world in his bike, he crossed africa from egipt to southafrica, he crossed asia and he has some amazing stories, now that is a person with absolutely different priorities in life than mine yet i believe is living a full life. ( i dont even like traveling ).

Ok will you pity this guy?

He has 35, he is a virgin because he doesnt care about women and has very low sex drive, he live with his parents, he doesnt feel the need for independence nor is one of his goals, what he most enjoys in life is playing MMORPG, he devotes most of his life playing Wold of Warcraft, he has never gone out of state, he hates traveling and never go out with friends because he choose not to, he is simply not interested in it, he justs wants to go home and enjoy his games.

So please tell me this guy just has different life priorities and he has a full amazing life...

On October 15 2008 06:52 lebowski wrote: what about someone who devotes himself to the "revolution"? what about him Baal?

wha revolution? wtf are u talking about lol.

On October 15 2008 07:08 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On October 15 2008 06:52 lebowski wrote: what about someone who devotes himself to the "revolution"? what about him Baal? wha revolution? wtf are u talking about lol.

let's say an anarchist's idea of a revolution
Would you pity him for devoting his life on his goal and missing on all the other stuff?

especify, i can reply to that silly question, however somebody with passion enough to devote his life to revolution rarely lives a gray life.

On October 15 2008 07:08 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On October 15 2008 06:46 SakiSaki wrote:   On October 15 2008 05:57 Baal wrote:   On October 14 2008 16:30 RiKD wrote: baal would this person be pathetic to you? let's say the guy's name is joe. joe works at a job he doesn't really like at all. has it's ups and downs but in general a negative experience. he has a wife and 3 kids that he loves adoringly. his job allows him to more or less comfortably support his family. his 2nd love behind his family is golf. he is absolutely terrible at golf but loves every second of it. he also enjoys competing in triathlons. he likes going to bed by 9pm b/c less than 8 hours of sleep makes him feel terrible. he also doesn't drink b/c he doesn't like how it effects him or his goals. he's never been out of his state b/c he absolutely despises traveling. his co-workers like to go out to bw3s and watch the game and get smashed after work and hit on waitresses but joe just likes to relax w/ his family or read a book. etc etc etc. Basically yes, because the Joe you are trying to describe is more complex of what you are explaining for example, he doesnt like drinking because he doesnt like how it affects him or his goals, that would be what Joe would tell you why he doesnt drink yet the true reasons might be even subconscious for him, like he fears when his consciousness is altered and he feels out of control which would mean this person doesnt drink because he fears himself (just a common example of why some people dont drink)., the motives of this person are not as simple as likes or dislikes, he is a fearful self restrained person. So yes i pity this monodimentional fearful Joe who only is able to experience a very small part of life. So basicly if anyone has diffrent prioreties or a diffrent idea of what a good life is than you do, you will use your awesome amature psychoanalysis skills to conclude that they are infact unhappy even though they wont admit it themselves. Wrong, there are many many different priorities than mine that i consider a real full life, let me put an example, a guy i know that doesnt drink, and goes to sleep at 9pm, travels around the world in his bike to pretty much cross the world in his bike, he crossed africa from egipt to southafrica, he crossed asia and he has some amazing stories, now that is a person with absolutely different priorities in life than mine yet i believe is living a full life. ( i dont even like traveling ). Ok will you pity this guy? He has 35, he is a virgin because he doesnt care about women and has very low sex drive, he live with his parents, he doesnt feel the need for independence nor is one of his goals, what he most enjoys in life is playing MMORPG, he devotes most of his life playing Wold of Warcraft, he has never gone out of state, he hates traveling and never go out with friends because he choose not to, he is simply not interested in it, he justs wants to go home and enjoy his games. So please tell me this guy just has different life priorities and he has a full amazing life...

No, that guy definitely should get high, fuck 2000 women and bungyjump his way through siberia while blindfolded.

On October 15 2008 07:22 Baal wrote: especify, i can reply to that silly question, however somebody with passion enough to devote his life to revolution rarely lives a gray life.

The revolutionary's life is missing on a ton of things so if you don't pity it like you did for the other guy it's obvious that it's because you're sympathetic to the meaning that he's given to his life.
Of course I'm sure you wouldn't feel that a guy striving for a communistic or a fascist revolution lives a life worth living

Do you see the contradiction yet?

On October 15 2008 07:42 SakiSaki wrote: Show nested quote + On October 15 2008 07:08 Baal wrote:   On October 15 2008 06:46 SakiSaki wrote:   On October 15 2008 05:57 Baal wrote:   On October 14 2008 16:30 RiKD wrote: baal would this person be pathetic to you? let's say the guy's name is joe. joe works at a job he doesn't really like at all. has it's ups and downs but in general a negative experience. he has a wife and 3 kids that he loves adoringly. his job allows him to more or less comfortably support his family. his 2nd love behind his family is golf. he is absolutely terrible at golf but loves every second of it. he also enjoys competing in triathlons. he likes going to bed by 9pm b/c less than 8 hours of sleep makes him feel terrible. he also doesn't drink b/c he doesn't like how it effects him or his goals. he's never been out of his state b/c he absolutely despises traveling. his co-workers like to go out to bw3s and watch the game and get smashed after work and hit on waitresses but joe just likes to relax w/ his family or read a book. etc etc etc. Basically yes, because the Joe you are trying to describe is more complex of what you are explaining for example, he doesnt like drinking because he doesnt like how it affects him or his goals, that would be what Joe would tell you why he doesnt drink yet the true reasons might be even subconscious for him, like he fears when his consciousness is altered and he feels out of control which would mean this person doesnt drink because he fears himself (just a common example of why some people dont drink)., the motives of this person are not as simple as likes or dislikes, he is a fearful self restrained person. So yes i pity this monodimentional fearful Joe who only is able to experience a very small part of life. So basicly if anyone has diffrent prioreties or a diffrent idea of what a good life is than you do, you will use your awesome amature psychoanalysis skills to conclude that they are infact unhappy even though they wont admit it themselves. Wrong, there are many many different priorities than mine that i consider a real full life, let me put an example, a guy i know that doesnt drink, and goes to sleep at 9pm, travels around the world in his bike to pretty much cross the world in his bike, he crossed africa from egipt to southafrica, he crossed asia and he has some amazing stories, now that is a person with absolutely different priorities in life than mine yet i believe is living a full life. ( i dont even like traveling ). Ok will you pity this guy? He has 35, he is a virgin because he doesnt care about women and has very low sex drive, he live with his parents, he doesnt feel the need for independence nor is one of his goals, what he most enjoys in life is playing MMORPG, he devotes most of his life playing Wold of Warcraft, he has never gone out of state, he hates traveling and never go out with friends because he choose not to, he is simply not interested in it, he justs wants to go home and enjoy his games. So please tell me this guy just has different life priorities and he has a full amazing life... No, that guy definitely should get high, fuck 2000 women and bungyjump his way through siberia while blindfolded.

Is a sarcastic response all you have when you were totally destroyed in a discussion?

On October 15 2008 07:46 lebowski wrote: Show nested quote + On October 15 2008 07:22 Baal wrote: especify, i can reply to that silly question, however somebody with passion enough to devote his life to revolution rarely lives a gray life. The revolutionary's life is missing on a ton of things so if you don't pity it like you did for the other guy it's obvious that it's because you're sympathetic to the meaning that he's given to his life. Of course I'm sure you wouldn't feel that a guy striving for a communistic or a fascist revolution lives a life worth living Do you see the contradiction yet?

Nice assumptiong there buddy ROFL you are an idiot... but good thing you are sure i think a life devoted to communist revolution is not worth living LOL.

Its not about missing some things, if you dont get married you dont experience having your own family, but i never claimed its required to life a full life, if you dont drink you miss other part too, and i never claimed that u must drink in order to live a full life god dammnit why do you even bother dignifying your idiotic post, since you started with the "revolutionary life" thing i knew something really stupid was coming.

Sacrasm is a great way to argue a point but since you seem to be at a 14 year olds level ill try to keep it simple.

Its funny how you phrase it "full and amazing life" because that is the kind of value judgement I was trying to avoid. Many people lead lives that I find inspiring and cool but I know it is not for me. To take an example, I have always admired concert pianists enormously. The way they have dedicated their lives to create pure fucking beauty with just their hands and an instrument just blows my mind. At the same time, I know that I could never give up that much time on one single thing, I am not prepared to make the sacrefices of their lifestyle. So I admire them, but I dont want to be them.

It works the other way aswell, some people lead lives and have prioreties that dont appeal to me at all, like your wow geek example. They key point though, is that its not my opinion on what a good life is that matters it is theirs. We are all unique individuals, with unique priorieties and values and judging a completely diffrent persons lifestyle with the basis of your own values is just arrogant and stupid. If the wow geek is happy and feels he is leading a full life, then hey kudos to him. He has achieved something that I think many are still aspiring to achieve. Im not one to tell him that his life is unfullfilling just cause it would be to me.

And your whole rant about how "most people" live gray lives working shit jobs just to get some kids and die is just such an arrogant and uneducated opinion it hurts my head. Seriously.

On October 15 2008 08:23 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On October 15 2008 07:46 lebowski wrote:   On October 15 2008 07:22 Baal wrote: especify, i can reply to that silly question, however somebody with passion enough to devote his life to revolution rarely lives a gray life. The revolutionary's life is missing on a ton of things so if you don't pity it like you did for the other guy it's obvious that it's because you're sympathetic to the meaning that he's given to his life. Of course I'm sure you wouldn't feel that a guy striving for a communistic or a fascist revolution lives a life worth living Do you see the contradiction yet? Nice assumptiong there buddy ROFL you are an idiot... but good thing you are sure i think a life devoted to communist revolution is not worth living LOL. Its not about missing some things, if you dont get married you dont experience having your own family, but i never claimed its required to life a full life, if you dont drink you miss other part too, and i never claimed that u must drink in order to live a full life god dammnit why do you even bother dignifying your idiotic post, since you started with the "revolutionary life" thing i knew something really stupid was coming.

I wonder if you'll ever manage to reply to something without the "rofl lol idiot" etc insults.
I was trying to point out that evaluating a lifestyle as fullfilling could not possibly be based on whether it is passionate or not,fondamentalists are the most passionate people around.
If I made a wrong assumption about the way you see the life of a devoted communist it's because
a) you claim to be an anarchist and at least where I come from anarchists are enemies with the communists
b) you are judgemental of different lifestyles than yours in general,I wouldn't assume that you'd suddenly stop being like that towards people that you think have stupid goals in life.

In any case don't even bother to reply if you can't communicate like a calm rational person.
If you think this is also very stupid for you to answer in such a manner keep your genious answer to yourself and let me bathe in my ignorance non irritated

On October 15 2008 08:35 SakiSaki wrote: Sacrasm is a great way to argue a point but since you seem to be at a 14 year olds level ill try to keep it simple. Its funny how you phrase it "full and amazing life" because that is the kind of value judgement I was trying to avoid. Many people lead lives that I find inspiring and cool but I know it is not for me. To take an example, I have always admired concert pianists enormously. The way they have dedicated their lives to create pure fucking beauty with just their hands and an instrument just blows my mind. At the same time, I know that I could never give up that much time on one single thing, I am not prepared to make the sacrefices of their lifestyle. So I admire them, but I dont want to be them. It works the other way aswell, some people lead lives and have prioreties that dont appeal to me at all, like your wow geek example. They key point though, is that its not my opinion on what a good life is that matters it is theirs. We are all unique individuals, with unique priorieties and values and judging a completely diffrent persons lifestyle with the basis of your own values is just arrogant and stupid. If the wow geek is happy and feels he is leading a full life, then hey kudos to him. He has achieved something that I think many are still aspiring to achieve. Im not one to tell him that his life is unfullfilling just cause it would be to me. And your whole rant about how "most people" live gray lives working shit jobs just to get some kids and die is just such an arrogant and uneducated opinion it hurts my head. Seriously.

Sarcasm CAN be a great way to argue a point, you sarcasm didnt imply anythint good to argue, it was just stupid.

Well its hard to not use a vague judgement on life, since its obviuosly a subjective subject.

You can find many inspiring lives too difficult to live and that you are not willing to sacrifice so much to follow their steps, however you cannot say they lived gray boring unpassionate lifes, and that is the point.

What you fail to see is that the WoW kid not happy, no matter if he says so, you would be a naive idiot if you think he is living a fulfilling life, and you know it but you will keep claiming this only because aknowledging that he is not living a fullfilling life would make you do exactly what im doing, and its judging others people's lifes.

I really dont see any relation at all with the gothkids video wtf are you saying -_-?, when did i fucking state life is pain and misery or something among their lives? what the fuck?

Oh and what the fuck is up with you randomly throwing the "uneduated" thing, i am not educated in what way Saki? please enlighten me.

On October 15 2008 08:47 lebowski wrote: Show nested quote + On October 15 2008 08:23 Baal wrote:   On October 15 2008 07:46 lebowski wrote:   On October 15 2008 07:22 Baal wrote: especify, i can reply to that silly question, however somebody with passion enough to devote his life to revolution rarely lives a gray life. The revolutionary's life is missing on a ton of things so if you don't pity it like you did for the other guy it's obvious that it's because you're sympathetic to the meaning that he's given to his life. Of course I'm sure you wouldn't feel that a guy striving for a communistic or a fascist revolution lives a life worth living Do you see the contradiction yet? Nice assumptiong there buddy ROFL you are an idiot... but good thing you are sure i think a life devoted to communist revolution is not worth living LOL. Its not about missing some things, if you dont get married you dont experience having your own family, but i never claimed its required to life a full life, if you dont drink you miss other part too, and i never claimed that u must drink in order to live a full life god dammnit why do you even bother dignifying your idiotic post, since you started with the "revolutionary life" thing i knew something really stupid was coming. I wonder if you'll ever manage to reply to something without the "rofl lol idiot" etc insults. I was trying to point out that evaluating a lifestyle as fullfilling could not possibly be based on whether it is passionate or not,fondamentalists are the most passionate people around. If I made a wrong assumption about the way you see the life of a devoted communist it's because a) you claim to be an anarchist and at least where I come from anarchists are enemies with the communists b) you are judgemental of different lifestyles than yours in general,I wouldn't assume that you'd suddenly stop being like that towards people that you think have stupid goals in life. In any case don't even bother to reply if you can't communicate like a calm rational person. If you think this is also very stupid for you to answer in such a manner keep your genious answer to yourself and let me bathe in my ignorance non irritated

I already put an example of a person who has very different goals and views in life and yet i consider him somebody with a fulfilling life... and no your assumption is absolutely wrong, i am not judgemental of different lifestyles than my own, again it clarified that to saki in previous posts i dont see why would u post about that again.

PS: no i dont think i can have a discussion with a "lol idiot" insult when i read a really dumb post i gotta say it.

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On October 15 2008 09:04 Baal wrote: and no your assumption is absolutely wrong, i am not judgemental of different lifestyles than my own, again it clarified that to saki in previous posts i dont see why would u post about that again.

then what is this?

On October 15 2008 08:58 Baal wrote: you would be a naive idiot if you think he is living a fulfilling life, and you know it but you will keep claiming this only because aknowledging that he is not living a fullfilling life would make you do exactly what im doing, and its judging others people's lifes. .

you also never answered to this

On October 15 2008 08:47 lebowski wrote: evaluating a lifestyle as fullfilling could not possibly be based on whether it is passionate or not,fondamentalists are the most passionate people around.

Also now that you can write insult free enlighten me about the retardedness of my previous post because I really can't see it.When someone makes a wrong assumption people usually point it out instead of acting like they're on coke

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On October 15 2008 09:18 lebowski wrote: Show nested quote + On October 15 2008 09:04 Baal wrote: and no your assumption is absolutely wrong, i am not judgemental of different lifestyles than my own, again it clarified that to saki in previous posts i dont see why would u post about that again. then what is this?   On October 15 2008 08:58 Baal wrote: you would be a naive idiot if you think he is living a fulfilling life, and you know it but you will keep claiming this only because aknowledging that he is not living a fullfilling life would make you do exactly what im doing, and its judging others people's lifes. . you also never answered to this   On October 15 2008 08:47 lebowski wrote: evaluating a lifestyle as fullfilling could not possibly be based on whether it is passionate or not,fondamentalists are the most passionate people around. Also now that you can write insult free enlighten me about the retardedness of my previous post because I really can't see it.When someone makes a wrong assumption people usually point it out instead of acting like they're on coke

did you quote correctly? because i dont understand the first two parts, what do you mean with "what is this", and what didnt i answer?

on the third part, i thought your post was really dumb cuz you were trying to "trap" me into the revolutionary thing because you thought i were going to say the lifes of others who didnt share my views on life are wrong (communism?), but why would i, im talking here about fullfilling or passionate lives against boring gray ones.

On October 15 2008 08:58 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On October 15 2008 08:35 SakiSaki wrote: Sacrasm is a great way to argue a point but since you seem to be at a 14 year olds level ill try to keep it simple. Its funny how you phrase it "full and amazing life" because that is the kind of value judgement I was trying to avoid. Many people lead lives that I find inspiring and cool but I know it is not for me. To take an example, I have always admired concert pianists enormously. The way they have dedicated their lives to create pure fucking beauty with just their hands and an instrument just blows my mind. At the same time, I know that I could never give up that much time on one single thing, I am not prepared to make the sacrefices of their lifestyle. So I admire them, but I dont want to be them. It works the other way aswell, some people lead lives and have prioreties that dont appeal to me at all, like your wow geek example. They key point though, is that its not my opinion on what a good life is that matters it is theirs. We are all unique individuals, with unique priorieties and values and judging a completely diffrent persons lifestyle with the basis of your own values is just arrogant and stupid. If the wow geek is happy and feels he is leading a full life, then hey kudos to him. He has achieved something that I think many are still aspiring to achieve. Im not one to tell him that his life is unfullfilling just cause it would be to me. And your whole rant about how "most people" live gray lives working shit jobs just to get some kids and die is just such an arrogant and uneducated opinion it hurts my head. Seriously. Sarcasm CAN be a great way to argue a point, you sarcasm didnt imply anythint good to argue, it was just stupid. Well its hard to not use a vague judgement on life, since its obviuosly a subjective subject. You can find many inspiring lives too difficult to live and that you are not willing to sacrifice so much to follow their steps, however you cannot say they lived gray boring unpassionate lifes, and that is the point. What you fail to see is that the WoW kid not happy, no matter if he says so, you would be a naive idiot if you think he is living a fulfilling life, and you know it but you will keep claiming this only because aknowledging that he is not living a fullfilling life would make you do exactly what im doing, and its judging others people's lifes. I really dont see any relation at all with the gothkids video wtf are you saying -_-?, when did i fucking state life is pain and misery or something among their lives? what the fuck? Oh and what the fuck is up with you randomly throwing the "uneduated" thing, i am not educated in what way Saki? please enlighten me.

First of all, passionate =/= happy. Other than that, it is pretty hard to argue with you since you dont even seem to read my posts. I say you shouldnt impose your own values of what a good life is on others because they have diffrent views and prioreties. And you retort with "you would be a naive idiot if you think he is living fulfilling life"

We are kinda at a standstill when you give an argument, I tell you why I disagree, and then you proceed to tell me that I dont really disagree Im just saying so.

Im gonna try the same aproach. You agree with everything I say baal, even though you might say otherwise. GG.

And yeah, I think you give the impression of being uneducated in the sense that you throw around cliches that you obviously havent thought through and you keep making stupid generilazations about random stuff.

On October 15 2008 09:28 Baal wrote: im talking here about fullfilling or passionate lives against boring gray ones.

before this I understood what you were saying as passionate life = fullfillment,I proposed that passion can't be a way of evaluating/passing judgement on a lifestyle and I couldn't find your answer,quote it if you will.Now you seem to separate the two by saying fullfilling OR passionate lives.
I wouldn't attempt to make an assumption about what you mean exactly but I might as well add that what's boring is subjective and since you separate the two terms (fullfillment/passion) maybe some people find fullfillment in doing things that you find as grey and boring.

About my first two quotes I don't get what you don't get T_T .First you say you're not judgemental then you say you are, I'm confused
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On October 15 2008 09:28 Baal wrote: did you quote correctly? because i dont understand the first two parts, what do you mean with "what is this", and what didnt i answer?

'what is this' and 'you didn't answer to this' were referring to the quotes below them not above them in case this is the reason for misunderstanding

On October 15 2008 09:52 SakiSaki wrote: Show nested quote + On October 15 2008 08:58 Baal wrote:   On October 15 2008 08:35 SakiSaki wrote: Sacrasm is a great way to argue a point but since you seem to be at a 14 year olds level ill try to keep it simple. Its funny how you phrase it "full and amazing life" because that is the kind of value judgement I was trying to avoid. Many people lead lives that I find inspiring and cool but I know it is not for me. To take an example, I have always admired concert pianists enormously. The way they have dedicated their lives to create pure fucking beauty with just their hands and an instrument just blows my mind. At the same time, I know that I could never give up that much time on one single thing, I am not prepared to make the sacrefices of their lifestyle. So I admire them, but I dont want to be them. It works the other way aswell, some people lead lives and have prioreties that dont appeal to me at all, like your wow geek example. They key point though, is that its not my opinion on what a good life is that matters it is theirs. We are all unique individuals, with unique priorieties and values and judging a completely diffrent persons lifestyle with the basis of your own values is just arrogant and stupid. If the wow geek is happy and feels he is leading a full life, then hey kudos to him. He has achieved something that I think many are still aspiring to achieve. Im not one to tell him that his life is unfullfilling just cause it would be to me. And your whole rant about how "most people" live gray lives working shit jobs just to get some kids and die is just such an arrogant and uneducated opinion it hurts my head. Seriously. Sarcasm CAN be a great way to argue a point, you sarcasm didnt imply anythint good to argue, it was just stupid. Well its hard to not use a vague judgement on life, since its obviuosly a subjective subject. You can find many inspiring lives too difficult to live and that you are not willing to sacrifice so much to follow their steps, however you cannot say they lived gray boring unpassionate lifes, and that is the point. What you fail to see is that the WoW kid not happy, no matter if he says so, you would be a naive idiot if you think he is living a fulfilling life, and you know it but you will keep claiming this only because aknowledging that he is not living a fullfilling life would make you do exactly what im doing, and its judging others people's lifes. I really dont see any relation at all with the gothkids video wtf are you saying -_-?, when did i fucking state life is pain and misery or something among their lives? what the fuck? Oh and what the fuck is up with you randomly throwing the "uneduated" thing, i am not educated in what way Saki? please enlighten me. First of all, passionate =/= happy. Other than that, it is pretty hard to argue with you since you dont even seem to read my posts. I say you shouldnt impose your own values of what a good life is on others because they have diffrent views and prioreties. And you retort with "you would be a naive idiot if you think he is living fulfilling life" We are kinda at a standstill when you give an argument, I tell you why I disagree, and then you proceed to tell me that I dont really disagree Im just saying so. Im gonna try the same aproach. You agree with everything I say baal, even though you might say otherwise. GG. And yeah, I think you give the impression of being uneducated in the sense that you throw around cliches that you obviously havent thought through and you keep making stupid generilazations about random stuff.

Well i mean you reach a point where i simply see this cannot get any futher i mean, if you insist than 35 WoW virgin geek with no friends is happy and not decieving himself then what can i possibly argue with you, i mean... when you say that you are either saying it to not being proven wrong or you truly believe it, and in both cases its obvious there is no point in arguing about this anymore with you dont you agree?.

I hope you are really using the wrong word here with uneducated, because i am quite educated when it comes to human psyche and ill asume much more than you, just because you disagree with the "cliches" and i dont doesnt mean i havent thought them through.

On October 15 2008 10:02 lebowski wrote: Show nested quote + On October 15 2008 09:28 Baal wrote: im talking here about fullfilling or passionate lives against boring gray ones. before this I understood what you were saying as passionate life = fullfillment,I proposed that passion can't be a way of evaluating/passing judgement on a lifestyle and I couldn't find your answer,quote it if you will.Now you seem to separate the two by saying fullfilling OR passionate lives. I wouldn't attempt to make an assumption about what you mean exactly but I might as well add that what's boring is subjective and since you separate the two terms (fullfillment/passion) maybe some people find fullfillment in doing things that you find as grey and boring. About my first two quotes I don't get what you don't get T_T .First you say you're not judgemental then you say you are, I'm confused EDIT:   On October 15 2008 09:28 Baal wrote: did you quote correctly? because i dont understand the first two parts, what do you mean with "what is this", and what didnt i answer? 'what is this' and 'you didn't answer to this' were referring to the quotes below them not above them in case this is the reason for misunderstanding

it may be true that passionate =/= fullfilling or happy but an unpationate mild live leads to unhappiness imo, i mean true hapiness not the random "im happy" people spill.

Again man why do you insist that i want them to have the same interests i do? again i dont like traveling, but i see people who love traveling and pretty much dedicate their lives to know the globe and i think that is really good, i could put you hundreds of other examples, stop insiting on that, its not about different tastes, its just that certain patters are not fulfilling lives.

As Saki says it pretty much anyone who claims hapiness is truly an deeply happy, and that is really naive.

On October 15 2008 08:35 SakiSaki wrote: And your whole rant about how "most people" live gray lives working shit jobs just to get some kids and die is just such an arrogant and uneducated opinion it hurts my head. Seriously.

QFT so hard, its pretty pathetic to see someone be so condescending and assume they're 'better'

On October 15 2008 01:03 Svenman87 wrote: I can honestly say losing a loved one isn't as hard as Skot states

Because everyone experiences loss the same? You're saying losing a spouse of x decades isnt that bad?

On October 15 2008 11:10 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On October 15 2008 09:52 SakiSaki wrote:   On October 15 2008 08:58 Baal wrote:   On October 15 2008 08:35 SakiSaki wrote: Sacrasm is a great way to argue a point but since you seem to be at a 14 year olds level ill try to keep it simple. Its funny how you phrase it "full and amazing life" because that is the kind of value judgement I was trying to avoid. Many people lead lives that I find inspiring and cool but I know it is not for me. To take an example, I have always admired concert pianists enormously. The way they have dedicated their lives to create pure fucking beauty with just their hands and an instrument just blows my mind. At the same time, I know that I could never give up that much time on one single thing, I am not prepared to make the sacrefices of their lifestyle. So I admire them, but I dont want to be them. It works the other way aswell, some people lead lives and have prioreties that dont appeal to me at all, like your wow geek example. They key point though, is that its not my opinion on what a good life is that matters it is theirs. We are all unique individuals, with unique priorieties and values and judging a completely diffrent persons lifestyle with the basis of your own values is just arrogant and stupid. If the wow geek is happy and feels he is leading a full life, then hey kudos to him. He has achieved something that I think many are still aspiring to achieve. Im not one to tell him that his life is unfullfilling just cause it would be to me. And your whole rant about how "most people" live gray lives working shit jobs just to get some kids and die is just such an arrogant and uneducated opinion it hurts my head. Seriously. Sarcasm CAN be a great way to argue a point, you sarcasm didnt imply anythint good to argue, it was just stupid. Well its hard to not use a vague judgement on life, since its obviuosly a subjective subject. You can find many inspiring lives too difficult to live and that you are not willing to sacrifice so much to follow their steps, however you cannot say they lived gray boring unpassionate lifes, and that is the point. What you fail to see is that the WoW kid not happy, no matter if he says so, you would be a naive idiot if you think he is living a fulfilling life, and you know it but you will keep claiming this only because aknowledging that he is not living a fullfilling life would make you do exactly what im doing, and its judging others people's lifes. I really dont see any relation at all with the gothkids video wtf are you saying -_-?, when did i fucking state life is pain and misery or something among their lives? what the fuck? Oh and what the fuck is up with you randomly throwing the "uneduated" thing, i am not educated in what way Saki? please enlighten me. First of all, passionate =/= happy. Other than that, it is pretty hard to argue with you since you dont even seem to read my posts. I say you shouldnt impose your own values of what a good life is on others because they have diffrent views and prioreties. And you retort with "you would be a naive idiot if you think he is living fulfilling life" We are kinda at a standstill when you give an argument, I tell you why I disagree, and then you proceed to tell me that I dont really disagree Im just saying so. Im gonna try the same aproach. You agree with everything I say baal, even though you might say otherwise. GG. And yeah, I think you give the impression of being uneducated in the sense that you throw around cliches that you obviously havent thought through and you keep making stupid generilazations about random stuff. Well i mean you reach a point where i simply see this cannot get any futher i mean, if you insist than 35 WoW virgin geek with no friends is happy and not decieving himself then what can i possibly argue with you, i mean... when you say that you are either saying it to not being proven wrong or you truly believe it, and in both cases its obvious there is no point in arguing about this anymore with you dont you agree?. I hope you are really using the wrong word here with uneducated, because i am quite educated when it comes to human psyche and ill asume much more than you, just because you disagree with the "cliches" and i dont doesnt mean i havent thought them through.

If you argue that the wow geek can never be truely happy, then who can? the toilet cleaning woman, the street sweeping man, the carpenter, the butcher, the teacher, the CEO, the president? what does it take? and who are you to decide thats what it takes?

After all happiness, sadness, joy, love etc. are chemicals and currents flowing in our brain and they decide if you are happy or not, if you are contempt etc. and you can not tell if the other guy has less or more of those chemicals in his brain than you have, he might need less stimuli to produce them than you, he might produce more geneticly and even if he had less than you he might be far more susceptible to them than you are. We are all drug addicts.

Do you think the kid who died at age 10 in Africa seeing nothing but misery his whole life would say the wow nerd had a happy and fullfilling life?

Baal?

On October 15 2008 15:57 Zorglub wrote: Show nested quote + On October 15 2008 11:10 Baal wrote:   On October 15 2008 09:52 SakiSaki wrote:   On October 15 2008 08:58 Baal wrote:   On October 15 2008 08:35 SakiSaki wrote: Sacrasm is a great way to argue a point but since you seem to be at a 14 year olds level ill try to keep it simple. Its funny how you phrase it "full and amazing life" because that is the kind of value judgement I was trying to avoid. Many people lead lives that I find inspiring and cool but I know it is not for me. To take an example, I have always admired concert pianists enormously. The way they have dedicated their lives to create pure fucking beauty with just their hands and an instrument just blows my mind. At the same time, I know that I could never give up that much time on one single thing, I am not prepared to make the sacrefices of their lifestyle. So I admire them, but I dont want to be them. It works the other way aswell, some people lead lives and have prioreties that dont appeal to me at all, like your wow geek example. They key point though, is that its not my opinion on what a good life is that matters it is theirs. We are all unique individuals, with unique priorieties and values and judging a completely diffrent persons lifestyle with the basis of your own values is just arrogant and stupid. If the wow geek is happy and feels he is leading a full life, then hey kudos to him. He has achieved something that I think many are still aspiring to achieve. Im not one to tell him that his life is unfullfilling just cause it would be to me. And your whole rant about how "most people" live gray lives working shit jobs just to get some kids and die is just such an arrogant and uneducated opinion it hurts my head. Seriously. Sarcasm CAN be a great way to argue a point, you sarcasm didnt imply anythint good to argue, it was just stupid. Well its hard to not use a vague judgement on life, since its obviuosly a subjective subject. You can find many inspiring lives too difficult to live and that you are not willing to sacrifice so much to follow their steps, however you cannot say they lived gray boring unpassionate lifes, and that is the point. What you fail to see is that the WoW kid not happy, no matter if he says so, you would be a naive idiot if you think he is living a fulfilling life, and you know it but you will keep claiming this only because aknowledging that he is not living a fullfilling life would make you do exactly what im doing, and its judging others people's lifes. I really dont see any relation at all with the gothkids video wtf are you saying -_-?, when did i fucking state life is pain and misery or something among their lives? what the fuck? Oh and what the fuck is up with you randomly throwing the "uneduated" thing, i am not educated in what way Saki? please enlighten me. First of all, passionate =/= happy. Other than that, it is pretty hard to argue with you since you dont even seem to read my posts. I say you shouldnt impose your own values of what a good life is on others because they have diffrent views and prioreties. And you retort with "you would be a naive idiot if you think he is living fulfilling life" We are kinda at a standstill when you give an argument, I tell you why I disagree, and then you proceed to tell me that I dont really disagree Im just saying so. Im gonna try the same aproach. You agree with everything I say baal, even though you might say otherwise. GG. And yeah, I think you give the impression of being uneducated in the sense that you throw around cliches that you obviously havent thought through and you keep making stupid generilazations about random stuff. Well i mean you reach a point where i simply see this cannot get any futher i mean, if you insist than 35 WoW virgin geek with no friends is happy and not decieving himself then what can i possibly argue with you, i mean... when you say that you are either saying it to not being proven wrong or you truly believe it, and in both cases its obvious there is no point in arguing about this anymore with you dont you agree?. I hope you are really using the wrong word here with uneducated, because i am quite educated when it comes to human psyche and ill asume much more than you, just because you disagree with the "cliches" and i dont doesnt mean i havent thought them through. If you argue that the wow geek can never be truely happy, then who can? the toilet cleaning woman, the street sweeping man, the carpenter, the butcher, the teacher, the CEO, the president? what does it take? and who are you to decide thats what it takes?

im not saying a WoW geek cant be happy, you are not getting it, i am not saying that its related to money or job, its about living ur live passionately regardless of what you do, settling for a shitty office job you dont like its not a good indication, unless your life true passion is something absolutely non-related, however there are signs like that ugly office job, or being antisocial, like fearing alcohol etc.

On October 15 2008 16:11 Zorglub wrote: After all happiness, sadness, joy, love etc. are chemicals and currents flowing in our brain and they decide if you are happy or not, if you are contempt etc. and you can not tell if the other guy has less or more of those chemicals in his brain than you have, he might need less stimuli to produce them than you, he might produce more geneticly and even if he had less than you he might be far more susceptible to them than you are. We are all drug addicts. Do you think the kid who died at age 10 in Africa seeing nothing but misery his whole life would say the wow nerd had a happy and fullfilling life?

well brain chemistry is a good point, and yeah it might variate how easy people are happy and not, however i really dont think there is a big difference in humans in that.

On October 16 2008 13:06 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On October 15 2008 16:11 Zorglub wrote: After all happiness, sadness, joy, love etc. are chemicals and currents flowing in our brain and they decide if you are happy or not, if you are contempt etc. and you can not tell if the other guy has less or more of those chemicals in his brain than you have, he might need less stimuli to produce them than you, he might produce more geneticly and even if he had less than you he might be far more susceptible to them than you are. We are all drug addicts. Do you think the kid who died at age 10 in Africa seeing nothing but misery his whole life would say the wow nerd had a happy and fullfilling life? well brain chemistry is a good point, and yeah it might variate how easy people are happy and not, however i really dont think there is a big difference in humans in that.

Well I studied the subject for a while and there are big differences, many people have reduced or are missing some of the production hormones to synthesise the different neurotransmitters, some people have many receptors, others not so many, some are very susceptible to neurotransmitters other not, while the basic priciples are the same there are thousands of variables individual to the single human

Do you think the kid who died at age 10 in Africa seeing nothing but misery his whole life would say the wow nerd had a happy and fullfilling life?

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