NL400 facing river check-raise

Villain is a fairly solid reg. While my hand is pretty weak, to me this is a call because his line is retarded and makes no sense for any hand. Only plausible thing is that he has a monster that he slowplayed and now wants to check-raise me on river. But he is simply not trappy enough, and we don't have enough history for a move like that. Also, it's hard for him to put me on an Ace because I did not cbet flop.

My river bet was intentionally small to induce a crying call from some weak holding such as Kx or middle PP. It has a head explosion factor, which another reason for a call.

Does anyone ever fold here?

Submitted by : phexac

PokerStars Game #21171894743: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2008/10/13 18:47:52 ET
Table 'Kunigunde' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ($378 in chips)
Seat 2: adsanman12 ($616.30 in chips)
Seat 3: kapie123 ($430 in chips)
Seat 4: smnrgg81 ($80 in chips)
Seat 5: omellberg ($312 in chips)
adsanman12: posts small blind $2
kapie123: posts big blind $4
GAZELLE4: sits out

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
smnrgg81: folds
omellberg: folds
Hero : raises $8 to $12
adsanman12: folds
omellberg leaves the table
kapie123: calls $8

Flop (Pot : $26.00)

   
kapie123: checks
Hero : checks

Turn (Pot : $26.00)

   
kapie123: bets $16
Hero : calls $16

River (Pot : $58.00)

   
kapie123: checks
Hero : bets $20
kapie123: raises $68 to $88
Hero :

hi 87

he could also have a set very well. there is no danger whatsover in slowplaying the flop for him. your riverbet does look really weak like you have KQ or Arag. if you have any info he likes c/r bluffs on river you can happily call.

for now i would just fold. i think your better off vbetting the river somewhat stronger. when he checks he will feel weak and if you bet 48 or something i think you are just as likely to be called by K10plus or 99 as you are now. also now you don't look like you want him to fold.

i can't fold here. your small bet may induce crying calls from Kx- hands and even 8x, but it will also induce some spazzing w/ missed draws (not many out there tough: clubs, gutshot)), and weaker showdown hands.

i actually like your play, but now you gotta call because you kind of induced this.

if this is someone you play with a lot you need to call to see what he has, to show him you're going to call in these situations, and it's only $68. in a bubble im sure it's -ev though.

I dont like the small bet here. Your hand his completely face up for one thing the way this hand is played. Theres just nothing he can make a dumb call with except maybe KQ but even that is iffy. I'd rather just do a normal river bet, but i think most of the time you should just bet the flop. As played i think you should call though, because theres no reason to make this bet here if you dont think theres a good chance of a spaz raise (since on this particular board he cant really call with worse too often).

Jam cause you dont want to show a solid reg that you potcontrol top pair in this spot(lol)

if he was a solid reg, which hes not . this dude is such a level 1 thinker, that you can manipulate him into thinking he can bluff you off a weak hand here. Have to call

Call and puke when you see 87

On October 14 2008 10:06 SakiSaki wrote: Jam cause you dont want to show a solid reg that you potcontrol top pair in this spot(lol)

I don't do it every time obv.

Don't be surprised when he shows you AT

Snap and dont play this hand so transparently in the future against a reg.

really curious about the results now

ez fold

bet bigger on river though

Line doesn't make sense at all.

Looks to me like an overaggressive idiot who turns a pair into a bluff. Then again a very bad bluff perceived by hero could be a great bluff as well.

On October 14 2008 14:18 lebowski wrote: really curious about the results now

I'll post results after a little while, in case some more people want to post.

K, looks like this thread is done. I called. He had KT, which he turned into a bluff.

bet 30-45 fold to a raise

On October 14 2008 13:29 JonnyCosMo wrote: Don't be surprised when he shows you AT

by far the best post in this thread

he knows his line looks FOS, everyone knows that

and it looks like you have a king

so...

On October 15 2008 04:14 [vital]Myth wrote: Show nested quote + On October 14 2008 13:29 JonnyCosMo wrote: Don't be surprised when he shows you AT by far the best post in this thread he knows his line looks FOS, everyone knows that and it looks like you have a king so...

At NL400, players who would dare to check-raise river with AT, make reads like that and have the guts to follow them, and think on so many levels, are few and far between...at least in my experience. You guys must be playing much better people that I am

i immagine as a general rule of thumb if hes aggresive enough to check raise AT/AJ for value here hes aggresive enough to just 2 barrel them here more often than not

As for your river bet, you look like a fish blockbetting (in position?) and he may be getting ahead of himself, I think to be safe you can just 3-bet him here and fold out like 90%+ of his range since you look like a big fish the way you played + bet it // you can easily be slowplaiyng a big hand, but flatting is standard

On October 15 2008 15:50 TalentedTom wrote: i immagine as a general rule of thumb if hes aggresive enough to check raise AT/AJ for value here hes aggresive enough to just 2 barrel them here more often than not As for your river bet, you look like a fish blockbetting (in position?) and he may be getting ahead of himself, I think to be safe you can just 3-bet him here and fold out like 90%+ of his range since you look like a big fish the way you played + bet it // you can easily be slowplaiyng a big hand, but flatting is standard

Hmm I actually really like the 3bet line idea versus certain opponents.

i fold, think raising is better than calling