Do you believe in God? - Page 9

all this ever comes down to is a debate as to whether or not there is "free will"

im pretty secure in my knowledge that everything is pre-determined


every action has a calculated outcome, no matter that we cant calculate it ourselves with our primitive technology. Even down to the neurons firing in my brain, with an advanced enough system it could know what my choice will be before I do

On October 10 2008 15:55 devon06atX wrote: "Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel." - Ambrose Bierce

how do you know if one has knowledge or not?

asdf2000 are you arguing a specific viewpoint?

about free will - you are born into a setting that you have no control over, as well as having no control over your genetic makeup. past experiences and genetic makeup are the only things that effect your decisions, neither of which you ever had any choice over from the beginning, since after birth you learn from what you have no control over and make decisions based on that, then making more decisions based on past experiences that you've never had any choice over etc.
i dont see the free will tbh

On October 10 2008 15:59 asdf2000 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 10 2008 15:30 Gawuss wrote: "Because god loves us all" I just hate when someone says that. I'm an atheist btw. why do u hate that?

God loves us all. So what? It reminds me of this american (no offence, it's just a stereotype) "deep faith" in God, and saying that he loves us all, that Jesus is our friend and so on. It's like a book for children with a lot of pictures with cute and lovely animals, beautiful nature, some happy magic creatures etc. that in reality is a made up bullshit.

It ONLY sounds/looks nice, cute or whatever.

God loves us all people, let's pray to him and be his friends ! Praise the Lord folks and you will meet him and all those little angels in heaven ! THIS IS SOOOO CUTE - WE ARE SOO RELIGIOUS AND WE LOVE OUR GOD BECAUSE WE ARE TOLD TO DO SO

P.S. I still don't know if you believe in all this stuff but seriously wtf..."God loves us all" ?!

On October 10 2008 15:59 asdf2000 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 10 2008 15:46 Baal wrote:   On October 10 2008 15:11 asdf2000 wrote:   On October 10 2008 14:57 Baal wrote: If you believe in hell (as in afterlife), then it wouldnt make sense to live if god already knows ur actions, he knows u will kill, so whats the god damn point for you to be born so u can only go to hell and that was decided even before u were born.... it would turn god in to a sadistic being. this assumes that each person is not a part of a greater scheme - that there is nothing going on other than individual experience. it also assumes that we don't affect each other. so im guessing u stopped defending the traditional God now and ur talking about your own beliefs am i righ? ok atleast that would be a bit more reasonable and slightly less stupid, so a bigger scheme like what? No, I didn't stop.

Well then you totally dodged what i said... i said should we be born then, if god knows if we will go to heaven or hell why bother giving us life, its meaningless it wont change anything.

On October 10 2008 16:20 MezmerizePLZ wrote: about free will - you are born into a setting that you have no control over, as well as having no control over your genetic makeup. past experiences and genetic makeup are the only things that effect your decisions, neither of which you ever had any choice over from the beginning, since after birth you learn from what you have no control over and make decisions based on that, then making more decisions based on past experiences that you've never had any choice over etc. i dont see the free will tbh

of course there is the illusion of free will, and you should still act as if there is free will just incase obv

yeah i believe in god
i also believe that belief in god is a matter of faith, not logic
which im sure a lot of people hate but, coincidence or not, a lot of the difficult times i've had growing up were helped through prayer and faith. whether it be being sent to a foster home then to my grandmothers care or me spending a lot of my young life homeless or even saving the house through a (relatively) big tourney score a week before foreclosure. i understand all the arguments for and against a creator and without faith im sure i'd be agnostic.

i also think people severly overestimate our own scientific understanding. i'd love to see where the scientific community stands on a lot of these issues 500 years from now.

PA obv. Why there are any other votes? wtf?

On October 10 2008 16:20 MezmerizePLZ wrote: about free will - you are born into a setting that you have no control over, as well as having no control over your genetic makeup. past experiences and genetic makeup are the only things that effect your decisions, neither of which you ever had any choice over from the beginning, since after birth you learn from what you have no control over and make decisions based on that, then making more decisions based on past experiences that you've never had any choice over etc. i dont see the free will tbh

This is how I used to see things. Now I see them differently. It is so hard to explain. I would try anyways but I almost never come out making sense to people. But anyways.

I don't see free will as in the ability to directly make free choice - I see it as the ability to change your future by using your mind to be aware in the present moment. It's hard to elaborate on it, since I doubt we have the same view regarding the nature of existence. I do not believe consciousness arises solely as a result of interactions of matter.

On October 10 2008 16:16 MezmerizePLZ wrote: asdf2000 are you arguing a specific viewpoint?

I was not, I really was just interested in maybe opening up some alternate viewpoints for people.

I will take a buddhist standpoint from here out though.

On October 10 2008 16:24 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On October 10 2008 15:59 asdf2000 wrote:   On October 10 2008 15:46 Baal wrote:   On October 10 2008 15:11 asdf2000 wrote:   On October 10 2008 14:57 Baal wrote: If you believe in hell (as in afterlife), then it wouldnt make sense to live if god already knows ur actions, he knows u will kill, so whats the god damn point for you to be born so u can only go to hell and that was decided even before u were born.... it would turn god in to a sadistic being. this assumes that each person is not a part of a greater scheme - that there is nothing going on other than individual experience. it also assumes that we don't affect each other. so im guessing u stopped defending the traditional God now and ur talking about your own beliefs am i righ? ok atleast that would be a bit more reasonable and slightly less stupid, so a bigger scheme like what? No, I didn't stop. Well then you totally dodged what i said... i said should we be born then, if god knows if we will go to heaven or hell why bother giving us life, its meaningless it wont change anything.

I didn't dodge it I directly replied to it. There is really no point to us going any further regarding that, I guess.

On October 10 2008 16:21 Gawuss wrote: Show nested quote + On October 10 2008 15:59 asdf2000 wrote:   On October 10 2008 15:30 Gawuss wrote: "Because god loves us all" I just hate when someone says that. I'm an atheist btw. why do u hate that? God loves us all. So what? It reminds me of this american (no offence, it's just a stereotype) "deep faith" in God, and saying that he loves us all, that Jesus is our friend and so on. It's like a book for children with a lot of pictures with cute and lovely animals, beautiful nature, some happy magic creatures etc. that in reality is a made up bullshit. It ONLY sounds/looks nice, cute or whatever. God loves us all people, let's pray to him and be his friends ! Praise the Lord folks and you will meet him and all those little angels in heaven ! THIS IS SOOOO CUTE - WE ARE SOO RELIGIOUS AND WE LOVE OUR GOD BECAUSE WE ARE TOLD TO DO SO P.S. I still don't know if you believe in all this stuff but seriously wtf..."God loves us all" ?!

The point is that god loves you. That's why the religions emphasize it. So that people understand that god loves you.

faith is ridiculous, believing something with no justification.

if you applied that concept to other parts of life you would be fucked up (believing something w/ no justification)

I'm assuming you apply logic to all other parts of life but for some reason when the afterlife is concerned logic randomly goes out the window?
there is as much a reason to have faith in heaven or whatever as to have faith that if you walk off a cliff you will float

On October 10 2008 03:13 pinbaLL wrote: PA can suck himself

Pics and vids please so I can fap nonstop for three days and then die a happy man.

To mez:

who are you talking to?

you realize that most of what people are taught in school they take on faith?

So you think faith is a good thing then?

wasn't talking to anyone in particular just saw something about faith

And I don't think the school faith thing your talking about is even close to the same argument. The religious faith is choosing to believe and totally discount logical thought. What I am taught in school is that some guy conquered whatever in 1502 and I can choose to believe it or not to believe it, but either way I am not discounting logical thought