Do you believe in God? - Page 5

On October 09 2008 19:08 Muhweli wrote: Gamblin' is a sin, would be -EV to believe in God.

haha that was stylish

People keep believing in god just because their were forced to through society,education etc.Imagine you were born in a society that atheism was the common sense,would you still believe in an 'outside' authority?

i believe in karma what u give is what u get returned

fuck no

and PA can suck himself

On October 10 2008 00:31 Ket wrote: Show nested quote + On October 09 2008 21:47 Baal wrote: If a person does good only because he is afraid of punishment that person is not a good person, its just a fearful one. So religion doesnt make people good, just fearful. if it works it works. religion has probably played a positive part overall in human history

I strongly disagree, inquisition, repression of free thought for almost 2k years

hmm...

On October 10 2008 00:05 Jelle wrote: Show nested quote + On October 09 2008 20:29 lebowski wrote: the Big Bang, a generally accepted theory on the creation of the universe by most scientists today, involves both time and space to be created with it. I know this is kind of a lot to ask, but do you happen to have a source for this claim? I skimmed through this book by hawking long ago and if I remember correctly he said something along the lines of "it wouldn't be useful to record history before there was anything around, so we can just say that time started when the big bang occured" That's different from what you're saying imo also about what you said of "the space is getting larger as galaxies move farther apart" is confusing to me.. I imagine an infinite space that already was infinite from the start but just the objects in it are moving farther apart - is this wrong?

Bing Bang theory has confirmed as fas as i am concerned in the time after zero.We dont have any information about the exact zero time except that there was a necessity of some certain conditions.I think that scientists trying to confirm zero time by measuring the gravitational waves.
The universe expands and the first one that observed this was Hubble (Hubble's law is a law that was confirmed in addition to the observations if i remember correct)

when I 1 outer a fish that 2 outered me on the turn yea I believe

but srsly i have no clue, and i do believe that absolutely no1 has any clue as well, but its good to question

On October 09 2008 18:46 CrownRoyal wrote: god as a thing yes not an individual agnostic

nah i don't believe in god, as far as i can tell god always creates the instant regression of how was that god created

I don't believe in any "higher power". I blame karma for stuff all the time though, but not seriously. However, I do respect a lot of christian values (not all) and it's my firm belief that it's the "best" of the big religions due simply to the fact that it has evolved the most thanks to the influence from western society.

No.

If God is willing to prevent evil, but is not able to, Then He is not omnipotent. If He is able, but not willing, Then He is malevolent. If He is both able and willing, Then whence cometh evil? If He is neither able nor willing, Then why call Him God? -Epicurus

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. -Galileo Galilei

A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death. -Albert Einstein

I am an atheist, out and out. It took me a long time to say it. I've been an atheist for years and years, but somehow I felt it was intellectually unrespectable to say that one is an atheist, because it assumed knowledge that one didn't have. Somehow it was better to say one was a humanist or agnostic. I don't have the evidence to prove that God doesn't exist, but I so strongly suspect that he doesn't that I don't want to waste my time. -Isaac Asimov

Truth in matters of religion is simply the opinion that has survived. -Oscar Wilde

On October 10 2008 00:31 Ket wrote: Show nested quote + On October 09 2008 21:47 Baal wrote: If a person does good only because he is afraid of punishment that person is not a good person, its just a fearful one. So religion doesnt make people good, just fearful. if it works it works. religion has probably played a positive part overall in human history

I disagree. I don't think religion has played a positive role in any way in the history of humanity, if anything it has hindered the progress of humanity. I could write on forever about how religion has plagued the progression of society, but I am le tired

On October 10 2008 00:05 Jelle wrote: Show nested quote + On October 09 2008 20:29 lebowski wrote: the Big Bang, a generally accepted theory on the creation of the universe by most scientists today, involves both time and space to be created with it. I know this is kind of a lot to ask, but do you happen to have a source for this claim? I skimmed through this book by hawking long ago and if I remember correctly he said something along the lines of "it wouldn't be useful to record history before there was anything around, so we can just say that time started when the big bang occured" That's different from what you're saying imo also about what you said of "the space is getting larger as galaxies move farther apart" is confusing to me.. I imagine an infinite space that already was infinite from the start but just the objects in it are moving farther apart - is this wrong?

after a very small search I believe that this page sums it up well:
http://www.big-bang-theory.com/

see where it sais "common misconceptions", the universe is like an expanding ballon,space is not infinite
also : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

On October 09 2008 21:47 Baal wrote: If a person does good only because he is afraid of punishment that person is not a good person, its just a fearful one. So religion doesnt make people good, just fearful.

Depends on how you define good. One could argue that your "goodness" or "badness" is determined by the consequences of your actions and not the motivations behind them.

well the most important thing of all is that a strictly defined "good" or "evil" doesn't exist
society and experience forge every person's moral code

so even if the motivations where left aside,who can ever be the judge of the "goodness" of a cosequence?
only the person who did it,
but every person's action is deep down what he understands as the action that serves his best interest.

In other words,everything that people have ever done is what they considered "good" for them at the time they did it.
Sometimes they think they are doing something "evil" because what they do contradicts their usual morals.
What actually is happening is that deep down they reject their moral code's current usefullness on the specific matter and then feel guilty about it.

Other times people feel like they made a sin,because the choice they made at the time proved to be wrong/short sighted/clouded by emotion.That doesn't change the fact that when they did it, they thought it was good for them.

The religion was always an unknown part of our world where science didnt get yet. There where lightning gods, sun gods, and poker gods all the time, but now we all know what is electricity, light, probability, equity and mixed strategies theory ie things fish call gods. Unfortunately science developed by mankind, the only creature with intellegence in the whole universe is not yet good enough to explain alot of things happen. Technically IQ is counted as bits per amount of ez boolean functions 'AND', 'NOT', min iq=1. An inverter, conjunctor, disjunctor has iq=1. Compare with human IQ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient#IQ_and_the_brain.....
As the individual with higher iq then the other one is obv able to process more data using his own brain and will more likely try find out reasons of unexplainable then rely it to some godlike forces and stay away. Again, the children mostly got higher iq then their parents, most of the old people do believe in god.

On October 10 2008 00:31 Ket wrote: Show nested quote + On October 09 2008 21:47 Baal wrote: If a person does good only because he is afraid of punishment that person is not a good person, its just a fearful one. So religion doesnt make people good, just fearful. if it works it works. religion has probably played a positive part overall in human history

uhhh wow how much history have you studied? religion has created far more evil and murder than anything else and it isn't even close

religion is a key factor in ancient civilization because it makes people obey.

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i believe in valis lol

On October 10 2008 07:28 [vital]Myth wrote: Show nested quote + On October 10 2008 00:31 Ket wrote:   On October 09 2008 21:47 Baal wrote: If a person does good only because he is afraid of punishment that person is not a good person, its just a fearful one. So religion doesnt make people good, just fearful. if it works it works. religion has probably played a positive part overall in human history uhhh wow how much history have you studied? religion has created far more evil and murder than anything else and it isn't even close

LOL what? history is more than the documented factual recorded literature we have on it today. history books record the facts: the crusades and the conflicts and the bloodshed. but do they speculate on the obvious benefits of religion when it had massive influence on the human psyche, fabric of society and bringing communities together, family relationships and even government? when it dictated a moral code for people to live by in a time long before the effective enforcing of law and order we have today, and at the same time took away peoples despair and anxiety when life sucked and there was no medicine or technology only disease and hardship. to say religion sucks because of whats in history books is like sorting your pt database by biggest won and lost pots, only looking at the biggest lost pots and concluding you must be the most terrible player ever because all youre doing is losing huge pots