200 6max plo

Submitted by : asdf2000

PokerStars Game #21009025513: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/10/07 17:37:50 ET
Table 'Umtata IV' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: stevens4life ($193.20 in chips)
Seat 2: minez2 ($317.50 in chips)
Seat 3: asdf2000 ($203.70 in chips)
Seat 4: Schnulli$100 ($176.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Annette ($200 in chips)
asdf2000 : posts small blind $1
Schnulli$100: posts big blind $2
ArbyG: sits out

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to asdf2000
Annette: calls $2
stevens4life: calls $2
minez2 has timed out
minez2: folds
minez2 is sitting out
asdf2000 : calls $1
minez2 has returned
Schnulli$100: checks

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $8.00)

   
asdf2000 : bets $7.60
Schnulli$100: folds
Annette: raises $20.40 to $28
stevens4life: calls $28
asdf2000 : calls $20.40

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $92.00)

   
asdf2000 : checks
Annette: bets $90
stevens4life: folds
asdf2000 : raises $83.70 to $173.70 and is all-in
Annette: calls $80 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($3.70) returned to asdf2000

River (Pot : $432.00)

   

Showdown
asdf2000 : shows (three of a kind, Fives)
Annette: shows (three of a kind, Kings)
Annette collected $430 from pot

Summary
Total pot $432 | Rake $2
Board  
Seat 1: stevens4life folded on the Turn
Seat 2: minez2 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: asdf2000 (small blind) showed and lost with three of a kind, Fives
Seat 4: Schnulli$100 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Annette showed and won ($430) with three of a kind, Kings

Getting it in on flop to me seems standard assuming you don't have any reads.

Almost exactly half of the deck will be a scare card to you on the turn (flush cards, 2,3,7,8) and when you do boat up you will be in an awkard spot (no value against hands that were drawing and you only get action from better).

Best case scenario the turn is a non-spade A,9,T,J,Q, but even then it's a bit awkward, because if you check they probably check behind their monster draws now.

So raisy daisy the flop.

I would fold preflop.

Postflop i'd get it in on the flop if you have no reads on annette. Dead money from stevens who pretty much never has you beat and can get it in horribly vs you (444/2p) makes it a much better spot than if it was just hu vs annette

turn play is impossible if you flat, you got one of the few good turn cards for your hand - i think getting it in on flop is thin but the best play

getting it in with mid set and an open ender is thin?? daaaaaaaamn

iunno chkc and donk and release if it's possible

but it wouldn't be, iunno wuts better overall this or that

both approaches have merits

100x effective

ya aggflop/get it in on good turn

On October 08 2008 08:09 Fraser wrote: getting it in with mid set and an open ender is thin?? daaaaaaaamn

Yeah, especially facing this action and with a flush draw on the board. If it were only middle set, or only the draw, or full ring, iI don't think it would be a very tough fold to the raise on the flop. Twisted Echo's suggestion of folding preflop is not bad at all because this hand just does not flop very well.

On October 08 2008 13:11 vltava wrote: Show nested quote + On October 08 2008 08:09 Fraser wrote: getting it in with mid set and an open ender is thin?? daaaaaaaamn Yeah, especially facing this action and with a flush draw on the board. If it were only middle set, or only the draw, or full ring, iI don't think it would be a very tough fold to the raise on the flop. Twisted Echo's suggestion of folding preflop is not bad at all because this hand just does not flop very well.

vs tough opponents i def fold pflop

normally i wouldnt hesitate to play this hand fast

but annette's range raising from that position and potting like this makes KK fairly likely for his hand

or her hand. dunno

I'm not saying you were wrong. I'm a big PLO nit and just play full ring and pot pot pot the big combo draws and the nuts with redraws, else mostly C/C and C/F, and it wins the money from the retards, so I'm hesitant to comment on 6-max and a player I don't know.

I'd take note of the fact that she limped preflop short-handed with a premium starting hand, for future hands, btw, and try to figure out if she's just mixing up her play or just doesn't know starting hand values.

On October 08 2008 13:11 vltava wrote: Show nested quote + On October 08 2008 08:09 Fraser wrote: getting it in with mid set and an open ender is thin?? daaaaaaaamn Yeah, especially facing this action and with a flush draw on the board. If it were only middle set, or only the draw, or full ring, iI don't think it would be a very tough fold to the raise on the flop. Twisted Echo's suggestion of folding preflop is not bad at all because this hand just does not flop very well.

doesn't the flush draw put more combodraws in her range that you're beating? and move her range away from just KK?

The big combo draws are actually ahead of naked sets in Omaha, and while this set has a little something to go with it, a mere open-ended straight draw is not that much, and devalued by the presence of a flush draw.

I think this is kinda overplaying the hand for a limped pot, no?

On October 09 2008 19:10 vltava wrote: The big combo draws are actually ahead of naked sets in Omaha, and while this set has a little something to go with it, a mere open-ended straight draw is not that much, and devalued by the presence of a flush draw.

I look at the straight draw as a counter to top set, and is surely the only reason I pushed allin on the turn against the PSB.

middle set open ender one hand that beats you allin

neilly if you think only one hand beats asdf here you shouldn't be in an omaha topic.

I think I try to get it in on the flop and kEep my fingers crossed .....but definately I fold pre normally

on the flop
definitely fold ..you have bottom set , no redraw to the nuts (wrap 678 and flush) you wanna drive to the nuts in omaha !!
on the turn
worst case , flat call the flop but def fold turn.the 9 open to a new range..

you gonna have only prob with bottom set and tiny draw in omaha ,
when opponent don t have a set , how many time you saw top 2 making a boat on the river..So now if the board can t paired you are going for what with bottom ? quads..even K9 is scarry on the turn..

definitely get it in on the flop
you're beating a ton of hands that people stack off with: 2pair + FD, bottom set, naked wrap, overpair and FD, OESD and FD, and you'll see people overplaying random garbage even weaker than what i've already listed often enough for this to be +ev

100% fold preflop

not only do you lose $1 but with a hand that can only flop bottom set and suckerstraights you are on average losing shittons of money post-flop. that said.. get it in on flop.

On October 20 2008 18:51 frenchylucky wrote: on the flop definitely fold ..you have bottom set , no redraw to the nuts (wrap 678 and flush) you wanna drive to the nuts in omaha !! on the turn worst case , flat call the flop but def fold turn.the 9 open to a new range.. you gonna have only prob with bottom set and tiny draw in omaha , when opponent don t have a set , how many time you saw top 2 making a boat on the river..So now if the board can t paired you are going for what with bottom ? quads..even K9 is scarry on the turn..

he has middle set, bottom set is a fold