Zeitgeist addendum - Page 8

On October 08 2008 06:36 Breeze wrote: I think there might be conspiracy behind 9/11 because it was really so good for Bush and his administration that they would almost do it themselves, yet I feel if they have a part it is not an active part, they just probably had clues what was about to happen but didn't do much against it and let it be. Maybe helped somehow, but in very subtle ways. I don't think they needed to take HUGE risks by doing stupid and obvious things like sending missiles instead of planes and planting huge quantities of explosives into buildings that are full of witnesses

this is a remotely reasonable idea imo

anyway i think this is important enough so that the people who are claiming that there was no conspiracy whatsoever should remove all possible doubt.. arguments like "why did they destroy two towers then when 1 woulda done the trick" just don't cut it

arguments like "your suspicion is an insult to the family of every person who died at 9/11" or "your conspiracy theory isn't conclusive" are lame as well imo.. why can't we just get black&white 100% proof that nothing about this was fishy? I think a huge % of people still feel suspicious that something was up with this and that cry should be answered

I am with you Breeze, the thing is about thinking critically, you can disagree with points or not but people like capaneo or yugless arent aproaching this in a reasonable manner.

The most important things u must keep in mind about 9/11 are, this is not new thing, they have been doing it over and over and over, so its not shocking or rare at all, its naive to think Bush cares about the couple of thousands who died, much more have died in irak because of his war for oil.

Also about obvious explosives in the WTC, the thing is, you NEED those obvious explosives because a tower of such dimention will not go down from the impact of a plane, it simply wont collapse

@Jelle. We CANT get black and white cause as you can see baals post he is so ignorant about technical facts that he doesnt know a missle doing that kind of damage would take sooo much time and resources to build. which would ring millions alarms in diffrent organizations and people. He probably thinks probably and RPG hitting the building will make it look like that.



Baal I know you CANT answer the questions im posting(cause your answers will make you look as stupid as your arguments) and thats why you are ditching %80 of them. So please dont give me that "i was going to dignify your retarded post with a reply but then..:" bullshit.

Just answer me these VERY simple questions.

How big The missile should be to creat that kind of damage?
How do you lunch this missile?

Just answer this two.








And as you can see Breeze someone who had some REAL knowledge about the so called "facts" you are posting basically destroyed your theories.
And I realy LOVE the fact that Baal knows all about top secret conversations and orders early in 1900s. Do you mind share where you getting all these? Another youtube video?

On October 08 2008 08:31 brambolius wrote: wow, just wow. CAPANEO USE YOUR COMMON SENSE AND LOOK AROUND YOU LOOK WHAT HAPPENED SEE WHAT IS GOING ON IT DOESNT MATTER IF PEOPLE MAKE UP BULLSHIT EVIDENCE FUCK THEM FOR DOING SO BUT FOR GOD SAKE L O O K A R O U N D Y O U A N D T R Y T O U S E Y O U R B R A I N F O R W H A T I T S T H E R E F O R

You dont build buildings and machines on your common sense. You dont make decisions in the academic world because you have a hunch!
Get some real education guys. Doesnt have to be school it just have to be real education. EVEN you can watch some discovery channel or History channel. Get off the youtube shit and get some real information. ENTERTAINMENT is not education

On October 08 2008 12:48 capaneo wrote: @Jelle. We CANT get black and white cause as you can see baals post he is so ignorant

wait what? it's baal's fault that we can't get clarity?

by the way enough of this "ignorant" and "unschooled" stuff, i didn't finish high school and i'm ignorant of almost all subjects u mention but that doesn't matter.. clarity about this isn't just owed to people who are knowledgable in all these different fields it should be available to everyone

if it was really that easy to see and certain that nothing about this was fishy and someone tried his best to explain it to me I would understand but apparantly it isn't or no one cares enough to enlighten me and everyone else like me (lots of people)

I understand that people are innocent until proven guilty and that the onus is on us to deliver proof that the US is guilty about this but somehow i still feel like clarity is owed if not to a foreigner like me then at least to all US citizens who still have their doubts

On October 08 2008 11:04 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On October 08 2008 08:39 brambolius wrote:   On October 07 2008 23:48 r3v wrote: WHY IS THE 9/11 PART EVEN A DISCUSSION? The main thing you guys should be discussing is the communist ideology wich is clearly imbedded in the movie... The conspiracy theory crap is clearly foolish and just silly. I mean you REALLY gotta be a real clown to believe the pentagon destroyed the WTC. There is nothing wrong with communism besides the fact that humans are mostly just too fucked up for it to work. Also, if you can't smell anything fishy about this whole 9/11 thing, you should get your ability to smell checked. becouse it would seem that your nose has gone byebye the problem with communism actually isnt the lack of estimulus to work harder as some think, the real problem is that the government is too powerful (and obv corrupt).

a government made up of good, true human beings can never be too powerful.

EDIT: in other words the system isnt the problem, the people running it are.

anyway lets not get off track lol

can you cut that out please its really annoying

Im done with the 9/11 thing capaneo, your too much of a retard to discuss this, and let this be testament that i never ban people because they disagree with me, i dont think i disagree with anybody more than with capaneo, and i dont think anybody is more stupid on this site, yet he remains free to roam.



Can we now discuss the 2nd movie please?

i wanna join the zeitgeist movements/venus project, seems like fun!

I actually dont think capaneo is stupid, he is just sick annoying.

capaneo isn't annoying,what's annoying is people watching a movie like the first Zeitgeist and auto assuming that hey have found the truth. Seriously,all capaneo really does in his posts is asking for actual proof... statements that tilt me instead:

On October 08 2008 08:31 brambolius wrote: wow, just wow. CAPANEO USE YOUR COMMON SENSE AND LOOK AROUND YOU LOOK WHAT HAPPENED SEE WHAT IS GOING ON IT DOESNT MATTER IF PEOPLE MAKE UP BULLSHIT EVIDENCE FUCK THEM FOR DOING SO BUT FOR GOD SAKE L O O K A R O U N D Y O U A N D T R Y T O U S E Y O U R B R A I N F O R W H A T I T S T H E R E F O R

ffs COMMON SENSE!!! like relativity or quantum physics or even that the earth is not flat
stop searching for facts everyone! all you ever need is in your little common sense!

also Baal, about 9/11 "controlled demolition or not" :
All the technicalities and grey areas make this a subject that can create great controversy and give birth to many conspiracy theories.Instead of being sceptical about such a matter and discussing it in a calm "cold blooded" way, you talk about it in a fashion that seems to be too emotionally involved,almost appearing that you wish the scenario you are supporting was true.(which is the no 1 condition for every distortion of the truth,especially in politics).So even if this is not the case with you,you are not helping your own arguments in that manner.

Zeitgeist lacks credibility not only because of the false first part religion stuff, but because of it's overall epidermic(at times even naive) presentation of all the issues it approaches. This reduces it's quality so much that it's hard to know if you actually gained anything by watching it,even if many parts of it were actually
accurate.It seems like it was made to provoke rather than to inform about troubling facts.

On October 08 2008 12:59 Jelle wrote: Show nested quote + On October 08 2008 12:48 capaneo wrote: @Jelle. We CANT get black and white cause as you can see baals post he is so ignorant wait what? it's baal's fault that we can't get clarity? by the way enough of this "ignorant" and "unschooled" stuff, i didn't finish high school and i'm ignorant of almost all subjects u mention but that doesn't matter.. clarity about this isn't just owed to people who are knowledgable in all these different fields it should be available to everyone if it was really that easy to see and certain that nothing about this was fishy and someone tried his best to explain it to me I would understand but apparantly it isn't or no one cares enough to enlighten me and everyone else like me (lots of people) I understand that people are innocent until proven guilty and that the onus is on us to deliver proof that the US is guilty about this but somehow i still feel like clarity is owed if not to a foreigner like me then at least to all US citizens who still have their doubts

Let me be clear. I actually think that Americans ARE behind this. Dont get me wrong. Whoever think this was a surprise to CIA and many others is a little naive.
I said that in the first thread and even in the first few pages of this thread many times.
I belive that people it is VERY likly that the Hijackers were motivated/supported by people inside the US government.
Thats NOT AT ALL what im talking about.
Im talking about the technicality of the issue here. And for that YES you dont use your common sense. Actually many people die because of poor designs cause morons with degrees used their "common sense" insted of logic and Math like they were supposed to.
And baal is very very wrong along side many others trying to talk about the technicality of this issues while using his "common sense." And he messes up badly and he is too ignorant to realize it.
Whenever I ask him critical questions looking for specific answers that needs some kind of educational guesses he tries to just repeat what he saw in some youtube clip or read on some Internet forum site or some Hollywood movie or something. If the answer isnt there then he either ignores the questions or tries to answer them in a non-reletive way again from the same non-academic and mostly WRONG stuff.

In every post he makes some REALLY REALLY bad comments and I point them out and insted of just trying to argue on one subject he talks about the ships in 1900s and the conversations between secret CIA agents.

On October 08 2008 12:32 Baal wrote: I am with you Breeze, the thing is about thinking critically, you can disagree with points or not but people like capaneo or yugless arent aproaching this in a reasonable manner. The most important things u must keep in mind about 9/11 are, this is not new thing, they have been doing it over and over and over, so its not shocking or rare at all, its naive to think Bush cares about the couple of thousands who died, much more have died in irak because of his war for oil. Also about obvious explosives in the WTC, the thing is, you NEED those obvious explosives because a tower of such dimention will not go down from the impact of a plane, it simply wont collapse

Again to demonstrate baal lets look at his last post:
"... about obvious explosives in the WTC, the thing is, you NEED those obvious explosives because a tower of such dimension will not go down from the impact of a plane, it simply wont collapse."
This is his educational PROOF that explosives were USED in wtc case on 911.


1)He doesn't say why the buildings wouldn't collapse. (thats too technical for him) he uses his "common sense" to figure out that since there was a fire in some building in Madrid and Brasil with fire with totally different structures and loads and they didn't collapse the WTC wouldn't collapse in case of an airplane impact.
In really world you DONT make these type of conclusions. When people make these conclusions based on their "common sense" people end up dying because of poor design (look at Kansas city skywalk)

2)He first needs to explain WHY the wtc HAD TO collapse anyway. it was obvious that even if the buildings were to survive they would be demolished. But he doesn't even address that

I can go on and on and probably point out 3-4 MAJOR academic flaws in just that one sentence of him.

Btw Baal did you come up with answers of
how big that missile hitting Pentagon had to be?
Did you figure out how to lunch that missile?

Or you are searching youtube to see if you can come up with something on that?

This movie makes you think and question your world and actually try to look for better solutions and not just be content with our reality,and that was mainly what the movie is about.What do you expect from a movie? the blueprints on how to create a perfect society? does it mean you can dismiss the message on some technicalities? It does give some good ideas and the general notion that we are fucked up and we need to be trying to change and not just be conformed with it, as it points out major flaws in the system we have today.

cliffs notes of this thread:

- Baal is not a scholar
- Capaneo REALLY hates it when people dont cite their sources

Has anyone watched that Bilderberg stuff Baal recommended? I've just finished watching the second part and so far it was a huge waste of time. Is the rest gonna be better?

On October 08 2008 18:18 Jelle wrote: cliffs notes of this thread: - Baal is not a scholar - Capaneo REALLY hates it when people dont cite their sources - U can't say anything to capaneo unless u have a Phd no matter how obvious it is.

I can see a world where every human being on earth has the right to food, health-care, education, fresh water, shelter, energy, and transportation. I can see all of these things being done with zero ecological footprint in a completely renewable way and at no cost to the individual. These are what you might basic quality of life rights that as a world we believe every human being should have. After these rights I think the monetary system is an acceptable one. I think that after you socialize those processes most important to quality of life then everything else is just gravy. With those things taken care of we have a large amount of choice in terms of how we live out our lives. Fundamentally most people want to explore, discover, create, and contribute. If we didn't have this fundamental desire we'd just lay down in bed until we died.

finished the second Zeitgeist,it's indeed better than the first one.
Economy experts are welcome to comment the first 45 min,I'm really curious of what they have to say and I'm totally clueless on the matter(I've seen the "money as debt" vid but that's about it)

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now kill yourself

p.s. I really did try to avoid this entire thread.