Zeitgeist addendum - Page 7

On October 07 2008 11:04 brambolius wrote: Capaneo, why don't YOU provide some solid proof of how we are oh so wrong? you are not discussing, you are trolling. the sad thing is you are probably not even doing it on purpose...

Yug is the ONLY one so far who understands what Im talking about.. Im AM not prooving anything. I AM only disputing the retarded evidence baal is providing. Are you guys really retarded? Cant you see the so called "evidence" Baal and others are representing has ZERO credentials?
Ive made a little claim in my first post about how the first movie was TOTAL bullshit. And I gave 3 examples and all of them has supported evidence. FROM academic sources with academic credentials.

On October 07 2008 08:57 Baal wrote: 1.- Its a Boeing 757 2.- yes the collapsed part is a very well known picture of the pentagon attack Why do you fucking question ridiculous stuff Capaneo... seriously... "is that a picture of the pentagon" oh fucking god, you imbecile, ofcourse it is you idiot... fucking common sense, if not just google it dammnit and see 29387492384 pictures of that collapsed pentagon part.

By saying is that really Pentagon pic. Im trying to say that you can not post a picture of pentagon pic and a plane and try to pass that as a PROOF and EVIDENCE to build arguments on.

OMG YOU ARE REALLY RETARDED!!

How DO YOU know these???? Do you have a degree in ANY thing thats remotly mater to this subject? That picture doesnt even have a scale! Are you kidding me! Do you even know how things are done in the real world outside of the Internet forum world?

1: Next time you SAY its a Boeing 757 in that pic. Either refer to some article with credentials or shut up. Like I said before that picture doesnt even have an scale. And NO I don't trust an Internet Poker Forum Moderator words on confirming that its a 757-200 in that picture!


2: Again. I know you THINK you know a thing or two about common sense but you have no idea. SHOW YOUR SOURCES. Either post the pentagon picture with the right scale from a reliable website. Or atleast refer to some article with academic credentials that talks about the dimentions of the plane and the collapsed wall. A picture hosted by liquidpoker.net does NOT have academic credentials(sorry for destroying your world). A mod in a POKER website agreeing that the pic is from Pentagon is at the right scale and angle does NOT give it credentials.




In the real world out there you CAN NOT even refer to news website like CNN and BBC as your sources. But im going to let you guys get away with that. Cause I know most of you have not even read a journal in your life.




If you havent gone to a university or have never done a credential research in your life here is a quick guide:
Use ONLY this search engine when providing evidence http://scholar.google.com/
After finding something READ the WHOLE thing.
Write down what you found here and ANYTIME you are saying something you HAVE to give the source with the page number.
Conclude with your conclusion.

LMAO baal you are really something.
Thanks for backing up your arguments with videos from YouTUBE!!!

If you cant really know whats wrong with that video you are beyond stuipd.
The videos are not even sopposed to be in sync. Look at the car passing and realize if those videos are in Sync you MUST see the first camera in the 2nd video.

So some looser puts two videos. Put them in the same frame. Put a timer underneath. Post it on Youtube.
And you use these evidence to figure out the most secret and evil plan of the biggest and strongest goverment on the entire planet.

On October 07 2008 16:50 Guillaume wrote: Show nested quote + On October 07 2008 00:14 capaneo wrote: Is that building really Pentagon? Are u serious? are u THAT dumb? Is this pic REAL enough for u stupid ass? I cant believe ur that retard.

LOL its funny how naive you are. But i guess its ok since my explnation came after you posted this new pic.
Ok so lets argue this in a civilized way.

You have a picture of Pentagon.(I guess its ok that this is hosted by LP cause I dont see you forging pics for this argument)

What are you exactly trying to prove with that picture and some lines on it??

3 questions

1: What hit Pentagon? (Please no dumb ass conspiracy sources)

2: What happened to the flight 77? (again please use only legitimate materials as evidence)

3: Why The "Evil" goverment just didn't use the lost plane of flight 77 into the side of pentagon? (I just want to hear your opinion)

1.- Nobody can know for certain... how in the fuck can we know the Pentagon deleted all evidence, what is sure is it wasnt a boeing 757, it could have been a big missile or a fighter jet.

2.- Again, how in the fuck can we know you idiot... do you also want me to tell you the maiden name of the daughter of the guy who pulled this off?

3.- Well i can think of a few reasons, 1 the manuverabilty of a 757 makes it real though for a NOVICE suicidal extremist to hit the target (you dont get many expert pilots volunteering for suicide do you?), Plus a missile is a more reliable way, and more importantly IMO the government never expected such an amount of "disbelief", imo they simply thought everybody would insta-buy it with not even thinking for a second it was an inside job... after all, they have done it multiple times in the past and nobody ever said anything about it.

On October 07 2008 11:32 Yugless wrote: the people who pulled off the biggest conspiracy in the history of the world can't edit a video correctly? if they crashed two planes in to the WTC why would they lie about crashing a plane in to the pentagon?

First of all Yugless, this isnt the biggest conspiracy in the history.

in 1915 a British ship called the Luisitana, were crossing the atlantic waters, dissobeying orders of going at full speed and giong in a zigzag (they were worried about ships being sunken by submarines), the Lusitana slowed down and traveled straight, a supposed german submarine launched a torpedo sinking the Lusitana, (1 torpedo causing several explosions, according to them because of the coal dust in the engine room -_-), roughly 1200 from 1900 died, the outraged americans for the 128 civilians killed launched them to join the allied forces in the first world war.

If we take in consideration the population of early 1900s, and we compare the deaths (1200), it was much bigger than 9/11.


Also i really want you to think critically about this, the pentagon one of the bulidings with tightest security in the world, and most video suveillance only had 2 angles of a fucking huge plane crashing into them, and none of these 2 videos shows remotely any plane, do you seriously think they only have these 2 videos? dont be naive.

for capaneo: http://www.journalof911studies.com/
and the other side: http://www.jod911.com/

On October 07 2008 19:35 Baal wrote: 1.- Nobody can know for certain... how in the fuck can we know the Pentagon deleted all evidence, what is sure is it wasnt a boeing 757, it could have been a big missile or a fighter jet. 2.- Again, how in the fuck can we know you idiot... do you also want me to tell you the maiden name of the daughter of the guy who pulled this off? 3.- Well i can think of a few reasons, 1 the manuverabilty of a 757 makes it real though for a NOVICE suicidal extremist to hit the target (you dont get many expert pilots volunteering for suicide do you?), Plus a missile is a more reliable way, and more importantly IMO the government never expected such an amount of "disbelief", imo they simply thought everybody would insta-buy it with not even thinking for a second it was an inside job... after all, they have done it multiple times in the past and nobody ever said anything about it.

Ok so this is what you are saying:

0)You dont know what happened to the flight.
1)What you know is that the plane took off from the Airport.
2)You know it was hijacked. (CIA planned this cause they are just really bad guys and they badly needed a 757!)
3)You know it flew over Pentagon.(Or you think the flight control people who were at the radar and all the people in NORAD control room are all CIA?)
4)The flight magically disapeared and all the evidence has been wiped out by the Pentagon.
5)At the same time a missile was fired at the Pentagon.
6)NO ONE has seen this so called missile.
7) This missile came from a magic box. It was so advanced that it was able to lunch from what? It didnt need a lunch system!
7)This missile has been magically disapeared from the manufactorer. (All the evidence again has been wiped out by the goverment)
8)The pentagon had to do all this to get rid of some "EVIDENCE" about some really really secret and bad stuff. And they couldnt do it any other way.
9)The Pentagon "people" and those EVIL BILLIONARE BANKERS then came to the site of the burning building. And decided cover up.

The master minds of this MASSIVE PLAN. Came together, Billionars and bankers and the most powerfull and evil people in this world. This is the cover up plan they came up with.

10) We are gonna tell public that 757 that we badly needed and we disapeared hit the building
But there are some minor issues:
11) There is no remain of the plane visible in the pictures (They said FUCK THAT)
12) There is no video camera showing the plane (WHO NEEDS A VIDEO CAMERA TO SHOW STUFF TO THE PUBLIC)
13) There is no eye witness (they didnt care about that)
14) They realized the hole is too small and the damage isnt big enough but (they said fuck that too)

15)So what if someone looks at the pic of the collapsed building and asks: Where is the plane? (they had no answer or "cover up" for this plan. They covered up the whole plan and all the witnesses. They planned this thing for YEARS and got rid of all the evidece carefully that NO solid evidence CAN be found. But this question REALLY got them. So they decided to say it just disapread!)


I can go on and on saying how stupid this sound.
This theory falls on itself so bad its grossly funny.
Lets do this in a more organized way. Lets come up with a list of stuff that this evil group CAN and CAN'T do. And you yourself tell me if it makes any sense what so ever.





And let me educate you a little. As you may know they can move rovers on MARS. They can put electronic circuit in howitzer that would survive the lunch impact and direct the artillery shell to a 10m distance of its target over the distance of 50KM(around 40miles)
They have surface to surface missles that can hit litterally within few feets of the target over the distance of 100Km.
But they couldnt come up with a way to hit a hijacked plane into a building cause they pilot just werent skilled enough. They just couldnt do that.


And btw I really wanna thank you for this "they simply thought everybody would insta-buy it with not even thinking for a second it was an inside job" it just made my day! This sentece is just PURE gold.

On October 07 2008 20:19 ATTACCA wrote: for capaneo: http://www.journalof911studies.com/ and the other side: http://www.jod911.com/

Finally someone who has some common sense.
If you guys wanna argue about this here is where you point out to the articles (I havent obv read any of these) to support your points. I browsed through them and they looked like they actually have some sort of acceptable sources for their claims.

WHY IS THE 9/11 PART EVEN A DISCUSSION? The main thing you guys should be discussing is the communist ideology wich is clearly imbedded in the movie...
The conspiracy theory crap is clearly foolish and just silly. I mean you REALLY gotta be a real clown to believe the pentagon destroyed the WTC.

On October 07 2008 23:48 r3v wrote: I mean you REALLY gotta be a real clown to believe the pentagon destroyed the WTC.

Yea, that one would be pretty hard to believe

r3v do u know what structural adjustment is?

On October 07 2008 23:48 r3v wrote: WHY IS THE 9/11 PART EVEN A DISCUSSION? The main thing you guys should be discussing is the communist ideology wich is clearly imbedded in the movie... The conspiracy theory crap is clearly foolish and just silly. I mean you REALLY gotta be a real clown to believe the pentagon destroyed the WTC.

huh but i thought the pentagon fell onto the WTC and flattened them?! I WAS WRONG?

On October 07 2008 16:50 Guillaume wrote: Show nested quote + On October 07 2008 00:14 capaneo wrote: Is that building really Pentagon? Are u serious? are u THAT dumb? Is this pic REAL enough for u stupid ass? I cant believe ur that retard.

Why are you using such language, where do you think you are? Baal posted some crappy 3d render with part of a real picture used as a texture on the wall. I can make such a render in an hour or two if I cared but I don't, and I could make the plane as big or small as I wanted. But that's not even the point, as someone already asked, why are you so sure that the wings are so strong as to remain intact and cut through concrete columns and walls, that's not just glasses and frames like the towers. capaneo is right about something - you need at least some basic education (and common sense) before starting to insult people left and right for their opinion and throwing random statements at them as if they are divine truth

On October 07 2008 19:48 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On October 07 2008 11:32 Yugless wrote: the people who pulled off the biggest conspiracy in the history of the world can't edit a video correctly? if they crashed two planes in to the WTC why would they lie about crashing a plane in to the pentagon? First of all Yugless, this isnt the biggest conspiracy in the history. in 1915 a British ship called the Luisitana, were crossing the atlantic waters, dissobeying orders of going at full speed and giong in a zigzag (they were worried about ships being sunken by submarines), the Lusitana slowed down and traveled straight, a supposed german submarine launched a torpedo sinking the Lusitana, (1 torpedo causing several explosions, according to them because of the coal dust in the engine room -_-), roughly 1200 from 1900 died, the outraged americans for the 128 civilians killed launched them to join the allied forces in the first world war. If we take in consideration the population of early 1900s, and we compare the deaths (1200), it was much bigger than 9/11. Also i really want you to think critically about this, the pentagon one of the bulidings with tightest security in the world, and most video suveillance only had 2 angles of a fucking huge plane crashing into them, and none of these 2 videos shows remotely any plane, do you seriously think they only have these 2 videos? dont be naive.

Errr... man . I don't even know where this idea comes from, I'm somewhat interested... Luisitania was as far as I know a sister ship of the Titanic, do you think such a large ship needs to slow down and "travel straight" in order to be an easy target for a submarine even in the ww1 era? Having studied both naval strategy/tactics and navigation, I seriously doubt that. Also just to mention, there was a german ship full of refugees that was sunk at the end of WW2 that had over 5000 casualties, but I still can't get how you made the connection to "conspiracies" and why their magnitude should be measured by the number of casualties... I think the most interesting aspects of a conspiracy are complexity and secrecy.

I think there might be conspiracy behind 9/11 because it was really so good for Bush and his administration that they would almost do it themselves, yet I feel if they have a part it is not an active part, they just probably had clues what was about to happen but didn't do much against it and let it be. Maybe helped somehow, but in very subtle ways. I don't think they needed to take HUGE risks by doing stupid and obvious things like sending missiles instead of planes and planting huge quantities of explosives into buildings that are full of witnesses

On October 07 2008 18:23 True wrote: Yes the evil corporation is exploiting the woman, but 1. Evil corp doesn´t exist, woman dies of starvation 2. Evil corp exists, woman lives Which one would you choose if you were the woman? Morals aside, it´s about the results of an action/inaction.

its not that simple, becouse the "Evil corp" put the woman in her shitty position in the first place.

read my africa rant on page 6 lol

Breeze why dont u make some research, find the dimensions of a 757 make the render pic that u claim u can do in 2 hours, and then maybe you'll realize that most of the 102319283012839021890 pics that u can find on the internet are made in VERY CLOSE scale. And basicaly ur saying that the plane hit the floor, then the wings stick to the main body of the plane and go through that small hole in the wall leaving no debris behind. Of COURSE.

On October 07 2008 18:33 capaneo wrote: A mod in a POKER website agreeing that the pic is from Pentagon is at the right scale and angle does NOT give it credentials.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/graphics/attack/pentagon_7.html

There u can see the angle in what the ¨supposed¨ 757 hit the pentagon, that if the washingtonpost has enough "credentials" cause maybe they are dumb and not smart people like u. And see! they even draw the 757 at scale for u! sweet ppl but maybe u need the credentials of the guy who draw the pic. ROFL.

wow, just wow.

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On October 07 2008 23:48 r3v wrote: WHY IS THE 9/11 PART EVEN A DISCUSSION? The main thing you guys should be discussing is the communist ideology wich is clearly imbedded in the movie... The conspiracy theory crap is clearly foolish and just silly. I mean you REALLY gotta be a real clown to believe the pentagon destroyed the WTC.

There is nothing wrong with communism besides the fact that humans are mostly just too fucked up for it to work.

Also, if you can't smell anything fishy about this whole 9/11 thing, you should get your ability to smell checked.

becouse it would seem that your nose has gone byebye

On October 08 2008 08:39 brambolius wrote: Show nested quote + On October 07 2008 23:48 r3v wrote: WHY IS THE 9/11 PART EVEN A DISCUSSION? The main thing you guys should be discussing is the communist ideology wich is clearly imbedded in the movie... The conspiracy theory crap is clearly foolish and just silly. I mean you REALLY gotta be a real clown to believe the pentagon destroyed the WTC. There is nothing wrong with communism besides the fact that humans are mostly just too fucked up for it to work. Also, if you can't smell anything fishy about this whole 9/11 thing, you should get your ability to smell checked. becouse it would seem that your nose has gone byebye

the problem with communism actually isnt the lack of estimulus to work harder as some think, the real problem is that the government is too powerful (and obv corrupt).

lol capaneo i was going to dignify your retarded post with a reply but then i read this:

7)This missile has been magically disapeared from the manufactorer.

woooow!!! you just reached a new level of stupidity, i cant believe its even possible somebody has such a low IQ, seriously... ive seen untrained dogs smarter than you.


Missile manufacturer... yes im sure u can go and ask them if there is a missing missile in their store, just next to the vegetables section, you fucking idiot... i cant believe it....

You think an army contractor is going to tell shit to a fucking civilian asking about their missiles? asdfoiadjfapdfoasijfaopsdfjasdfopaijdfo fucking life tilt you cant be this stupid, im fucking done with you, its like talking to a fucking tree... and a stupid one.