Hellmuth.

http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=33usfhh&s=4

Hollymuth.

how ironic that they were talking about people doing dumb things before the hand started

shove pf

another sick read by hellmuff

On October 03 2008 19:14 xavierk9 wrote: how ironic that they were talking about people doing dumb things before the hand started

hahaha : ]

that can't be possible

this is why Hellmuth is the best poker player. ever.

He's clearly doing this to get action in non-tv games.


I hope.

He has 9k and he folds QQ pre, holy crap he's the best poker player in the world no doubt.

ahahahahaha

but I dont get how can he possibly be so madly succesful in tournaments? :o

btw I wonder what was he even doing in that game if 15bbs is too much to risk with QQ? its so funny how its raised 4xbb pre and helmut acts like its some huge decision in massive pot ^_~

that is beyond ridiculous...

I really have no clue what to say, he is the worse player in the world, easily, by a large margin

i think he did it for marketing reasons, a) if he folds and guy has kk/aa he gonna say hes the greatest b) if he folds he gonna get so much publicity. It might be +ev in the long run for endorsement by looking like a tool but who knows. If he folded for the soul purpose of putting the guy only on aces/kings he should quit poker asap.

solid fold

jesus how can you be so bad

and he stalls the game with such a trivial decision, what a jerk. if he had 77 he would've insta called, god this is tilting me

if you ask the casual poker fan who the best player in the world is, they will say Hellmuth

hahaha yeah I saw that

he is leveling all of you fools

I knew this thread would be awesome upon reading the title.

the girl doing the interview has some beautiful tits

The part when he starts laughing is beyond ridiculous.

On October 03 2008 23:29 vegable wrote: he is leveling all of you fools

qft
Phil is a showman first and a poker player 2nd these days.

I like it...i'm never sure what he does take serious and what he doesn't. Obv he's not a fool, he knows perfectly well he's making a fool of himself for doing stuff like this (or showing up at the wsop like that^^).

On October 03 2008 22:47 Yugless wrote: if you ask the casual poker fan who the best player in the world is, they will say Hellmuth

That's awesome if they all play like this fool, especially if they'd flat 77 here but fold the QQ, his fundamentals are so great !!!

On October 03 2008 23:29 vegable wrote: he is leveling all of you fools

he's Paris Hilton of poker, and this is his sex tape.

lol. i actually think hellmuth passing on edges in huge, soft mtts is pretty reasonable and probably correct for him but in a winner take all at that table LOLOLOL. funny thing is it's not even the grossest fold on that show (tilly's JJ fold on JKKxx or w/e it was).

great thread title too tomson

hellmuth.

lol

tilly checked back on that hand

RiKD you are think about this hand:


classic

On October 04 2008 01:16 Highcard wrote: the girl doing the interview has some beautiful tits

mfpwned
thought I saved 4 minutes of my life by glancing at the video, reading the thread and then I skip watching it just knowing phils gonna be an attention whore
then I come back and read this post, making me have to go and watch the video and I find no interview in it
+ Show Spoiler +

On October 04 2008 05:23 tloapc wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2008 01:16 Highcard wrote: the girl doing the interview has some beautiful tits mfpwned thought I saved 4 minutes of my life by glancing at the video, reading the thread and then I skip watching it just knowing phils gonna be an attention whore then I come back and read this post, making me have to go and watch the video and I find no interview in it + Show Spoiler + asshole

There was an interview... Between her and Mike. It was maybe 15 seconds long. All she did was ask what Mike put Hellmuth on.

oic
u r tryin to make me actually sit through the whole thing aren't u

I don't think Hellmuth did that on a purpose. He obviously put his opponent on AA/KK and that's why he said "he had a strange feeling about this", he must really consider himself the best reader in the world and thought "damn i'm on TV and that would be a sick sick lay down". Instead he just looked like a dumb mf as one more time he read his opponent's hand wrong.

I think he has really lost a ton of credibility lately (chickening out of durrr's HU challenge) and won't be able to win any bracelets or titles if he doesn't improve his game A TON and stop thinking he's god's poker gift.

Didnt even need to put his opponent on AA/KK, if he put his opponent on AK or any overcard, he might have a feeling that card came up. Statistically speaking it might not be the right move but eh, he's won a bracelet, who else in this thread did? I don't believe Hellmuth is the greatest player ever but he's certainly not a donk. You also have to consider the stacks and the previous play from his opponent.

I don't know but I wouldnt call him an idiot for the laydown, I would however call him an idiot for the time he spent thinking about it.

yeah cuz having a bracelet sure means a lot of thing, Jamie gold has a bracelet, he's certainly not a donk

he has like 12 bracelets...

not that i'm defending him, he got most of those bracelets in a different time with small fields against players who probably didn't know the rules, when the top players wanted nothing to do with tournaments

hahaha yeah there's a good chance hellmuth's precognition saw well into the future and knew that he was gonna see an AAA board. he is the best

On October 04 2008 07:00 dafcnz wrote: Didnt even need to put his opponent on AA/KK, if he put his opponent on AK or any overcard, he might have a feeling that card came up. Statistically speaking it might not be the right move but eh, he's won a bracelet, who else in this thread did? I don't believe Hellmuth is the greatest player ever but he's certainly not a donk. You also have to consider the stacks and the previous play from his opponent. I don't know but I wouldnt call him an idiot for the laydown, I would however call him an idiot for the time he spent thinking about it.

LOL hilarious post, laying down QQ when you have 15bbs on the big blind is a GREAT play, more when you feel your opponent has AK and an A or a K is coming because you feel it. ROFL ! But yeah you must be right, i don't have a bracelet and he has 11.

he is not leveling you and he is not at all just trying to show you something different because it's on TV. hellmuth is strong because he happens to have a style that actually plays pretty well against live fish, and he trusts his live reads very deeply, which are highly accurate but not infallible obviously. hellmuth was looking at him and the kid looked like he had the absolute nuts. hellmuth figured that this meant he had AA but when hellmuth stalls with 9 BBs the kid is convinced that AQ is the nuts so hellmuth's read is actually kinda correct but he's just interpreting the read wrong

happens all the time to people who trust their live reads really strongly

i dont care how strong your read is... 15bbs QQ = allin

Myth you don't understand.

Hellmuth is obviously a donk.


And for what it's worth, most of the tv watching population think Dwan is a donk for the NBC HU exchange. A short browsing on 2+2 will show that. Nobody really cares that the matches didn't get played. They really have no idea whether or not they did, actually.

On October 04 2008 09:05 [vital]Myth wrote: he is not leveling you and he is not at all just trying to show you something different because it's on TV. hellmuth is strong because he happens to have a style that actually plays pretty well against live fish, and he trusts his live reads very deeply, which are highly accurate but not infallible obviously. hellmuth was looking at him and the kid looked like he had the absolute nuts. hellmuth figured that this meant he had AA but when hellmuth stalls with 9 BBs the kid is convinced that AQ is the nuts so hellmuth's read is actually kinda correct but he's just interpreting the read wrong happens all the time to people who trust their live reads really strongly

That's a good point, I've layed down pretty good hands OOP because I've got a strong read on one or two of the players to have a nutty hand. But in actually at the end of the hand they only had top pair or some worthless shit, when there are straights and flushes and what not.


PS- LOL, at Tilly's video. Rofl watch Ivey's face hahahah

On October 04 2008 11:01 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote: Myth you don't understand. Hellmuth is obviously a donk. And for what it's worth, most of the tv watching population think Dwan is a donk for the NBC HU exchange. A short browsing on 2+2 will show that. Nobody really cares that the matches didn't get played. They really have no idea whether or not they did, actually.

I don't think Hellmuth is that good of a player, though his style works very well in certain situations, but that play with TT by durrr was pretty horrendous.

I cant believe this is true =/

Poll: Worst Poker After Dark moment?
(Vote): Tilly checking FH on river
(Vote): Hellmuth folding QQ PF?

he's just dicking around

I'm pretty sure he clears 8 figures a year through UB and business ventures, basically he's playing that game like I would play 1-3 drunk at the wynn. EV is pretty irrelevant, its just whatever play gets the most attention.

Nah if Hellmuth were playing online on UB I doubt he'd make such a big spectacle about folding QQ with 15bb. He knows exactly what he's doing...I mean look at the guy's track record. Hes been playing live poker for decades and knows exactly how to advertise, in more than just 1 sense of the word. In that spot he made the most +EV decision he could ever dream of.

With 15bb hes got very little chance of winning or even cashing in the tourney anyway. He can turn sour grapes into wine by making a horrible fold and encouraging future action when the stakes really matter. Its a fact that Hellmuth isn't the best poker player in the world but he does a damn good job of keeping the game alive with energy. Who wants to watch a table of mutes throwing chips around?

Oh cmon Tilly checking FH definitely worst play ever. Hellmuth could have at least called the queens and tried to go for a second read on the flop. KK = worst laydown ever but that didnt happen. QQ understandable in very rare circumstances. Checking FH on river is just wtfomglol.

--- Nuked ---

Matusow " You might be on drugs" haqhahahahahaha

The Mouth talks from experience imo

I love Matusow!

On October 04 2008 12:40 hubmaster wrote: Poll: Worst Poker After Dark moment? (Vote): Tilly checking FH on river (Vote): Hellmuth folding QQ PF?

any moment that includes Tilly's boobs is a good moment.

Myth wtf are u talking about, if this were a big pot with 2 decent stacks i could see your point, this is beyond ridiculous and u know it, phil helmuth is a stupid terrible poker player, not only because of this play but almost every play by him is just terrible.

It doesn't matter what other "publicity" motivations he coulda had when making this fold. First, it's all pure speculation. Second, when you sit down at a poker table for 20k (that's the buy-in for PAD, iirc) with $120k up for grabs, it doesn't matter what you br is, you should be taking the game seriously. The fact you're on tv should in no way interfere with your game. When you let outside factors interfere with your game that's called tilt. Tilt is a sign of an undisciplined (read: bad) player.

If Hellmuth did in fact make this fold for publicity that simply means one thing. His profession is no longer poker, but entertainment. He's turned himself into nothing more than a tv personality. Obviously there's nothing wrong with that, but if that's the case then it makes no sense to comment on his play beyond it's entertainment value. To put it another way, would it make sense to debate Kobe Bryant's chess playing ability from the perspective of a professional chess player?

omg

fake obv

On October 04 2008 17:31 Kapol wrote:

rofl

rofl so relevant

U really think someone who played Poker all his life and made millions with it doesnt know about the most easiest poker concepts ?
Phil is not as good as todays online powerhouses , but for sure he isnt as bad as people here make him.

hillarious.

I am pretty sure he had a reason for this laydown. ( whatever reason outside of poker mathematics this may have been)

120K up for grabs, it doesn't matter what you br is, you should be taking the game seriously.

lol hellmuth has like 15 millionz +

On October 04 2008 07:00 dafcnz wrote: Didnt even need to put his opponent on AA/KK, if he put his opponent on AK or any overcard, he might have a feeling that card came up. Statistically speaking it might not be the right move but eh, he's won a bracelet, who else in this thread did? I don't believe Hellmuth is the greatest player ever but he's certainly not a donk. You also have to consider the stacks and the previous play from his opponent. I don't know but I wouldnt call him an idiot for the laydown, I would however call him an idiot for the time he spent thinking about it.

you sound like those retards who comment the youtube poker videos

On October 04 2008 18:34 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2008 07:00 dafcnz wrote: Didnt even need to put his opponent on AA/KK, if he put his opponent on AK or any overcard, he might have a feeling that card came up. Statistically speaking it might not be the right move but eh, he's won a bracelet, who else in this thread did? I don't believe Hellmuth is the greatest player ever but he's certainly not a donk. You also have to consider the stacks and the previous play from his opponent. I don't know but I wouldnt call him an idiot for the laydown, I would however call him an idiot for the time he spent thinking about it. you sound like those retards who comment the youtube poker videos

QFTing for most truthful statement of the day

"Stupid, full og shit and fucking nuts"

ROFL

omg guys it was a solid fold, hellmuth did it so it must be good -.-

On October 04 2008 18:12 PplusAD wrote: U really think someone who played Poker all his life and made millions with it doesnt know about the most easiest poker concepts ? Phil is not as good as todays online powerhouses , but for sure he isnt as bad as people here make him. hillarious. I am pretty sure he had a reason for this laydown. ( whatever reason outside of poker mathematics this may have been) Show nested quote + 120K up for grabs, it doesn't matter what you br is, you should be taking the game seriously. lol hellmuth has like 15 millionz +

[_] Hellmuth has 15 cool mirrions+
[x] Hellmuth is a degenerate gambler and vomit money at chinese poker and other gambling games
[x] Hellmuth owns a shitty house i'd not even consider buying

On October 04 2008 21:26 Sheitan wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2008 18:12 PplusAD wrote: U really think someone who played Poker all his life and made millions with it doesnt know about the most easiest poker concepts ? Phil is not as good as todays online powerhouses , but for sure he isnt as bad as people here make him. hillarious. I am pretty sure he had a reason for this laydown. ( whatever reason outside of poker mathematics this may have been)   120K up for grabs, it doesn't matter what you br is, you should be taking the game seriously. lol hellmuth has like 15 millionz + [_] Hellmuth has 15 cool mirrions+ [x] Hellmuth is a degenerate gambler and vomit money at chinese poker and other gambling games [x] Hellmuth owns a shitty house i'd not even consider buying

man what. at the risk of being levelled i have to call you out on this post. this is really ignorant and wrong. you are badly mistaken if you think all hellmuth does is play poker and degen gamble. i would not be surprised AT ALL if he is worth over 100mil, guy is huge into business and investing and has a TON of captial to work with. big bucks from endorsements in the last few years since the poker boom and 20+ years of playing poker before that on top . whatever hes worth its a fkload more than 15 mil, and whatever he decides to spew on random gambling is nothing to him.

and that last line about his house is a pretty rotten thing to say. what makes so many internet pokering nobodies such jealous resenting haters when it comes to hellmuth? is it that hard to handle to when you see someone you think plays worse than you getting all the praise and winning at life? do you think you deserve all that hellmuth has because you might be able to play a lot of spots more correctly? that is not the way the world works

On October 03 2008 22:47 Yugless wrote: if you ask the casual poker fan who the best player in the world is, they will say Hellmuth

and whats wrong with this?

fwiw i thought the clip in op was massively entertaining and thought all that laughing from 3:30 onwards and the dynamic between hellmuth and mikey made for great tv. i laughed along with it. hellmuth is great for poker who cares if all the recreational enthusiasts think hes the best? it was a personality and a story that made our game huge (moneymaker) not the 'intricate beauty of nl holdem the cadillac of poker'. this is what makes people happy. when i got into poker i thought the sickest possible players ever were phil hellmuth, johnny chan and mike mcdermott and it was super awesome then. you think id have given a shit about the awesomeness of poker if i was forced to recognise the true 'best' was actually some socially inept young male who 12tables online for 12 hours a day and makes sick plays that i cant understand? would anyone?

jesus just looking at the other guy in the hand with hellmuth who had the AQs is a clear example of why its way better hellmuth is the one in the spotlight with all the attention and big endorsement bucks and adoration of donks than most top internet mtt players

he's not dicking around i can assure u of that

i had the horror of playing with him for 12 hours

hes not just doing this for tv. he will ALWAYS get TV time because of how much he cries and how big his ego is and how famous he is. he doesnt really need to do much to reinforce it. he will always be in the spotlight

and hellmuth's 12 bracelets are because he played every tournament ever for the last 20 years or whatever? + he wins most of his bracelets in small fields. of course he will have 12 bracelets over such a long period, especially with the small fields & poor play in the past

and kets right

hellmuth won life a long time ago

his personality and act is certainly genuine but he is incredibly smart about it and exploits his fame for his own personal gain to an unreal degree

its also quite sick how well he plays off what he says and his image against fish. for good players it's pretty see thru and pathetic, but it isnt hard to see why it works vs a lot of people

i think the same could be said about taylor caby and his poker business. he thought of an even more lucrative way to make money in the poker business and ran with it while playing on his strengths; teaching. it didnt matter that he was one of the best for a few months. shit if i ever discovered a personal strength from poker (i'd say it was resiliency to bullshit and being shit on) and could make money with it i'd drop this game in a heartbeat with all the skill/dedication that it takes to make real money.

On October 04 2008 22:26 Ket wrote: Show nested quote + On October 03 2008 22:47 Yugless wrote: if you ask the casual poker fan who the best player in the world is, they will say Hellmuth and whats wrong with this? fwiw i thought the clip in op was massively entertaining and thought all that laughing from 3:30 onwards and the dynamic between hellmuth and mikey made for great tv. i laughed along with it. hellmuth is great for poker who cares if all the recreational enthusiasts think hes the best? it was a personality and a story that made our game huge (moneymaker) not the 'intricate beauty of nl holdem the cadillac of poker'. this is what makes people happy. when i got into poker i thought the sickest possible players ever were phil hellmuth, johnny chan and mike mcdermott and it was super awesome then. you think id have given a shit about the awesomeness of poker if i was forced to recognise the true 'best' was actually some socially inept young male who 12tables online for 12 hours a day and makes sick plays that i cant understand? would anyone?

He is an entertaining clown and very EV+ for poker in general, i still dont respect him as a person nor a player.

too many QFT posts from ket but QFT.

fwiw, i'd crossbook hellmuth in the huge WSOP nl events v.s. just about anyone.

even jojotheclown?

On October 04 2008 22:57 FrinkX wrote: he's not dicking around i can assure u of that i had the horror of playing with him for 12 hours hes not just doing this for tv. he will ALWAYS get TV time because of how much he cries and how big his ego is and how famous he is. he doesnt really need to do much to reinforce it. he will always be in the spotlight

I gotta disagree with u there. I think he snap-shoves this off-camera. I've played with him a bit too, he talks tight, but seems to play just as loose and spewy as ur avg MTT pro needs to play.

but think of this hand from a marketing perspective instead of a $EV perspective

He folds and is wrong: he's still able to drain about 5 min. of TV time, which includes shit-talking with matusow and even an interview with matusow and the host about the hand. He turns out to look like an idiot and a lot of people will hate him more, but whatever he gets a lot more attention. Its sort of a "there's no such thing as bad publicity approach". This thread wouldn't exist if this was false.

He folds and is correct: every noob would be in awe of his godliness and soulreading abilities. There would be threads praising him all over the internet and he would get a ridic amount of YouTube hits on this hand. He would probably boost his popularity by at least like 5%.

He shoves: gets 4k worth of $EV or whatever, but hand just ends. BORING.

A great example : This thread already reached 4 pages with many argues. Need i say more ?
I don't care about phil's play or whatever but he did a good publicity for sure.
He may be a whore or one of the sickest player of all time, but whatever he does he's in a win-win situation.

Something that I don't think most people know but should consider is that the kid who he folded to was the satellite entrant. He won his seat onto the show through a FTP sat, and was likely (I obv. cannot say for sure as I didnt see the whole table but just this hand) playing very tight b/c he

1) Wants to win the money and figures playing solid and tight gives him the best chance to get HU where anything can happen

2) Wants to keep playing on TV and with the other pros.

No doubt it's a bad fold in a vacuum but some of you need to think outside of the box. Also I think it's ridiculous that the majority of players calling him 'terrible' and a 'moron' etc, either don't play poker for a living or don't play tournament poker. Hellmuth crushes live NLHE fields, his style is perfect for them because of the image he has created for himself. He's a very smart person. I dont' agree with his tactics and personally I think it's lame, but that doesn't mean I can't see that he obviously knows what he is doing.

also, everything Ket said +1.

On October 03 2008 22:47 Yugless wrote: if you ask the casual poker fan who the best player in the world is, they will say Hellmuth

ugh yeah, so true

tilts me so much

On October 04 2008 22:14 Ket wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2008 21:26 Sheitan wrote:   On October 04 2008 18:12 PplusAD wrote: U really think someone who played Poker all his life and made millions with it doesnt know about the most easiest poker concepts ? Phil is not as good as todays online powerhouses , but for sure he isnt as bad as people here make him. hillarious. I am pretty sure he had a reason for this laydown. ( whatever reason outside of poker mathematics this may have been)   120K up for grabs, it doesn't matter what you br is, you should be taking the game seriously. lol hellmuth has like 15 millionz + [_] Hellmuth has 15 cool mirrions+ [x] Hellmuth is a degenerate gambler and vomit money at chinese poker and other gambling games [x] Hellmuth owns a shitty house i'd not even consider buying man what. at the risk of being levelled i have to call you out on this post. this is really ignorant and wrong. you are badly mistaken if you think all hellmuth does is play poker and degen gamble. i would not be surprised AT ALL if he is worth over 100mil, guy is huge into business and investing and has a TON of captial to work with. big bucks from endorsements in the last few years since the poker boom and 20+ years of playing poker before that on top . whatever hes worth its a fkload more than 15 mil, and whatever he decides to spew on random gambling is nothing to him. and that last line about his house is a pretty rotten thing to say. what makes so many internet pokering nobodies such jealous resenting haters when it comes to hellmuth? is it that hard to handle to when you see someone you think plays worse than you getting all the praise and winning at life? do you think you deserve all that hellmuth has because you might be able to play a lot of spots more correctly? that is not the way the world works

He probably play a way better poker than me and i'm an internet pokering nobody for what i care Ket but if the man is worth more than 15+ cool mirrions, how can you explain his High stakes living episode where his house is actually a shithole ? Now i can say Elezra is a wealthy man when you see his episode, this guy has HUGE money and it reflects on his house and his lifestyle.

Also he mentioned in a interview he owed Ivey for 500k or something at chinese poker and he and his wife were shocked about the amount he lost...

On October 04 2008 11:27 phexac wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2008 11:01 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote: Myth you don't understand. Hellmuth is obviously a donk. And for what it's worth, most of the tv watching population think Dwan is a donk for the NBC HU exchange. A short browsing on 2+2 will show that. Nobody really cares that the matches didn't get played. They really have no idea whether or not they did, actually. but that play with TT by durrr was pretty horrendous.

wtf no it wasn't

On October 04 2008 22:33 Ket wrote: jesus just looking at the other guy in the hand with hellmuth who had the AQs is a clear example of why its way better hellmuth is the one in the spotlight with all the attention and big endorsement bucks and adoration of donks than most top internet mtt players

Ya this is really a good point for TV poker. Players in the spotlight need to be energetic, and rambunctious as well as good poker players.

lolololololololololololololololololololx100

On October 05 2008 18:22 Sheitan wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2008 22:14 Ket wrote:   On October 04 2008 21:26 Sheitan wrote:   On October 04 2008 18:12 PplusAD wrote: U really think someone who played Poker all his life and made millions with it doesnt know about the most easiest poker concepts ? Phil is not as good as todays online powerhouses , but for sure he isnt as bad as people here make him. hillarious. I am pretty sure he had a reason for this laydown. ( whatever reason outside of poker mathematics this may have been)   120K up for grabs, it doesn't matter what you br is, you should be taking the game seriously. lol hellmuth has like 15 millionz + [_] Hellmuth has 15 cool mirrions+ [x] Hellmuth is a degenerate gambler and vomit money at chinese poker and other gambling games [x] Hellmuth owns a shitty house i'd not even consider buying man what. at the risk of being levelled i have to call you out on this post. this is really ignorant and wrong. you are badly mistaken if you think all hellmuth does is play poker and degen gamble. i would not be surprised AT ALL if he is worth over 100mil, guy is huge into business and investing and has a TON of captial to work with. big bucks from endorsements in the last few years since the poker boom and 20+ years of playing poker before that on top . whatever hes worth its a fkload more than 15 mil, and whatever he decides to spew on random gambling is nothing to him. and that last line about his house is a pretty rotten thing to say. what makes so many internet pokering nobodies such jealous resenting haters when it comes to hellmuth? is it that hard to handle to when you see someone you think plays worse than you getting all the praise and winning at life? do you think you deserve all that hellmuth has because you might be able to play a lot of spots more correctly? that is not the way the world works He probably play a way better poker than me and i'm an internet pokering nobody for what i care Ket but if the man is worth more than 15+ cool mirrions, how can you explain his High stakes living episode where his house is actually a shithole ? Now i can say Elezra is a wealthy man when you see his episode, this guy has HUGE money and it reflects on his house and his lifestyle. Also he mentioned in a interview he owed Ivey for 500k or something at chinese poker and he and his wife were shocked about the amount he lost...

he said they were shocked because its almost inconceivable that the 'great' phil hellmuth could lose 500k at poker against ANYONE. Its just part of his act =]

There could be any number of reasons as to why Phil has his particular house, it could be a family home(like his or his wifes parents), maybe his kids or the wife like it,maybe he likes it. Just because he doesnt have a $4 million mansion doesn't mean he doesn't have money. And if the house was just super untidy just because he doesn't hire someone to tidy it up for him (or do it himself) doesn't mean that he's not worth the money (which he certainly is). You can't argue with his strength in live multi table tournaments its just not possible his record talks for itself.

On October 05 2008 12:42 NMcNasty wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2008 22:57 FrinkX wrote: he's not dicking around i can assure u of that i had the horror of playing with him for 12 hours hes not just doing this for tv. he will ALWAYS get TV time because of how much he cries and how big his ego is and how famous he is. he doesnt really need to do much to reinforce it. he will always be in the spotlight I gotta disagree with u there. I think he snap-shoves this off-camera. I've played with him a bit too, he talks tight, but seems to play just as loose and spewy as ur avg MTT pro needs to play.

He is loose and spewy way more than your avg MTTer actually. but thats because he plays ridiculous smallball. he absolutely hates playing in big pots and will make atrocious laydowns because he doesnt want to get into big pots without the nuts or close to it

This fold fits how he plays perfectly, this is just a bit extreme

and he has no idea how to play a short stack and treats it as tho he was going for stacks with another 100bb stack

Here is information for Hellmuth haters who say he won all his bracelets vs small fields
You are horribly wrong
He won 2 his last bracelets vs huge fileds and made multiple final tables since moneymaker boom
This year he did not win but he made 2 final tables vs big fields which counts for something

so did jamie gold and jerry yang.

Plus nobody is saying his MTT strategy doesnt work against fishes.

what have gold and yang done? made multiple final tables or won 11 bracelets?
btw tons of pros playing almost all WSOP events every year and *surprize* still have 1-3 bracelets

Nice bump lol

Why is H-bomb being criticized for folding QQ in that situation? Clearly he had no set odds. IMO, excellent lay down.

Either way he looked like a bitch on tv after that hand with Roothlus

On October 08 2008 10:57 PaleMan wrote: what have gold and yang done? made multiple final tables or won 11 bracelets? btw tons of pros playing almost all WSOP events every year and *surprize* still have 1-3 bracelets

read the last line of my previous post.

What gets me about hellmuth haters is that he makes more money then everyone on this site plain and simple. But he doesn't do it because he's godly at poker and he's a huge asshole so therefore people berate him. It's like people are jealous cuz they think if they were in his position maybe they could make tons of cash cuz they know they are a better player then him but they are wrong.

I mean why don't people berate Guy Laliberté for being a huge fish? He's got to be worse then Phil? It is cuz all his money doesn't come from poker? I mean money is money guys and 90% of the people here play to make money. I dunno it's really annoying that people berate any fish at all. I mean it's fun to joke around at Tilly for checking behind with a boat and stuff yeah, but hellmuth berating can get old sometimes... The guy is a TV magnet and all of us WANT to see him get busted and non hardcore fans want to see him win. There are few players who have his type of personality and that's why he makes his money. I mean why in gods name do you think broc lesnar makes more money then fabricio werdum even though werdum is like 100 times the fighter? bleh i'm rambling but seriously people need to chill.

And i'll defend him cuz i'll be honest, if i can be a fish and lose 250k a year in poker but make millions? I'll fucking take that in a hearbeat.