Hellmuth. - Page 5

also, everything Ket said +1.

On October 03 2008 22:47 Yugless wrote: if you ask the casual poker fan who the best player in the world is, they will say Hellmuth

ugh yeah, so true

tilts me so much

On October 04 2008 22:14 Ket wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2008 21:26 Sheitan wrote:   On October 04 2008 18:12 PplusAD wrote: U really think someone who played Poker all his life and made millions with it doesnt know about the most easiest poker concepts ? Phil is not as good as todays online powerhouses , but for sure he isnt as bad as people here make him. hillarious. I am pretty sure he had a reason for this laydown. ( whatever reason outside of poker mathematics this may have been)   120K up for grabs, it doesn't matter what you br is, you should be taking the game seriously. lol hellmuth has like 15 millionz + [_] Hellmuth has 15 cool mirrions+ [x] Hellmuth is a degenerate gambler and vomit money at chinese poker and other gambling games [x] Hellmuth owns a shitty house i'd not even consider buying man what. at the risk of being levelled i have to call you out on this post. this is really ignorant and wrong. you are badly mistaken if you think all hellmuth does is play poker and degen gamble. i would not be surprised AT ALL if he is worth over 100mil, guy is huge into business and investing and has a TON of captial to work with. big bucks from endorsements in the last few years since the poker boom and 20+ years of playing poker before that on top . whatever hes worth its a fkload more than 15 mil, and whatever he decides to spew on random gambling is nothing to him. and that last line about his house is a pretty rotten thing to say. what makes so many internet pokering nobodies such jealous resenting haters when it comes to hellmuth? is it that hard to handle to when you see someone you think plays worse than you getting all the praise and winning at life? do you think you deserve all that hellmuth has because you might be able to play a lot of spots more correctly? that is not the way the world works

He probably play a way better poker than me and i'm an internet pokering nobody for what i care Ket but if the man is worth more than 15+ cool mirrions, how can you explain his High stakes living episode where his house is actually a shithole ? Now i can say Elezra is a wealthy man when you see his episode, this guy has HUGE money and it reflects on his house and his lifestyle.

Also he mentioned in a interview he owed Ivey for 500k or something at chinese poker and he and his wife were shocked about the amount he lost...

On October 04 2008 11:27 phexac wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2008 11:01 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote: Myth you don't understand. Hellmuth is obviously a donk. And for what it's worth, most of the tv watching population think Dwan is a donk for the NBC HU exchange. A short browsing on 2+2 will show that. Nobody really cares that the matches didn't get played. They really have no idea whether or not they did, actually. but that play with TT by durrr was pretty horrendous.

wtf no it wasn't

On October 04 2008 22:33 Ket wrote: jesus just looking at the other guy in the hand with hellmuth who had the AQs is a clear example of why its way better hellmuth is the one in the spotlight with all the attention and big endorsement bucks and adoration of donks than most top internet mtt players

Ya this is really a good point for TV poker. Players in the spotlight need to be energetic, and rambunctious as well as good poker players.

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On October 05 2008 18:22 Sheitan wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2008 22:14 Ket wrote:   On October 04 2008 21:26 Sheitan wrote:   On October 04 2008 18:12 PplusAD wrote: U really think someone who played Poker all his life and made millions with it doesnt know about the most easiest poker concepts ? Phil is not as good as todays online powerhouses , but for sure he isnt as bad as people here make him. hillarious. I am pretty sure he had a reason for this laydown. ( whatever reason outside of poker mathematics this may have been)   120K up for grabs, it doesn't matter what you br is, you should be taking the game seriously. lol hellmuth has like 15 millionz + [_] Hellmuth has 15 cool mirrions+ [x] Hellmuth is a degenerate gambler and vomit money at chinese poker and other gambling games [x] Hellmuth owns a shitty house i'd not even consider buying man what. at the risk of being levelled i have to call you out on this post. this is really ignorant and wrong. you are badly mistaken if you think all hellmuth does is play poker and degen gamble. i would not be surprised AT ALL if he is worth over 100mil, guy is huge into business and investing and has a TON of captial to work with. big bucks from endorsements in the last few years since the poker boom and 20+ years of playing poker before that on top . whatever hes worth its a fkload more than 15 mil, and whatever he decides to spew on random gambling is nothing to him. and that last line about his house is a pretty rotten thing to say. what makes so many internet pokering nobodies such jealous resenting haters when it comes to hellmuth? is it that hard to handle to when you see someone you think plays worse than you getting all the praise and winning at life? do you think you deserve all that hellmuth has because you might be able to play a lot of spots more correctly? that is not the way the world works He probably play a way better poker than me and i'm an internet pokering nobody for what i care Ket but if the man is worth more than 15+ cool mirrions, how can you explain his High stakes living episode where his house is actually a shithole ? Now i can say Elezra is a wealthy man when you see his episode, this guy has HUGE money and it reflects on his house and his lifestyle. Also he mentioned in a interview he owed Ivey for 500k or something at chinese poker and he and his wife were shocked about the amount he lost...

he said they were shocked because its almost inconceivable that the 'great' phil hellmuth could lose 500k at poker against ANYONE. Its just part of his act =]

There could be any number of reasons as to why Phil has his particular house, it could be a family home(like his or his wifes parents), maybe his kids or the wife like it,maybe he likes it. Just because he doesnt have a $4 million mansion doesn't mean he doesn't have money. And if the house was just super untidy just because he doesn't hire someone to tidy it up for him (or do it himself) doesn't mean that he's not worth the money (which he certainly is). You can't argue with his strength in live multi table tournaments its just not possible his record talks for itself.

On October 05 2008 12:42 NMcNasty wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2008 22:57 FrinkX wrote: he's not dicking around i can assure u of that i had the horror of playing with him for 12 hours hes not just doing this for tv. he will ALWAYS get TV time because of how much he cries and how big his ego is and how famous he is. he doesnt really need to do much to reinforce it. he will always be in the spotlight I gotta disagree with u there. I think he snap-shoves this off-camera. I've played with him a bit too, he talks tight, but seems to play just as loose and spewy as ur avg MTT pro needs to play.

He is loose and spewy way more than your avg MTTer actually. but thats because he plays ridiculous smallball. he absolutely hates playing in big pots and will make atrocious laydowns because he doesnt want to get into big pots without the nuts or close to it

This fold fits how he plays perfectly, this is just a bit extreme

and he has no idea how to play a short stack and treats it as tho he was going for stacks with another 100bb stack

Here is information for Hellmuth haters who say he won all his bracelets vs small fields
You are horribly wrong
He won 2 his last bracelets vs huge fileds and made multiple final tables since moneymaker boom
This year he did not win but he made 2 final tables vs big fields which counts for something

so did jamie gold and jerry yang.

Plus nobody is saying his MTT strategy doesnt work against fishes.

what have gold and yang done? made multiple final tables or won 11 bracelets?
btw tons of pros playing almost all WSOP events every year and *surprize* still have 1-3 bracelets

Nice bump lol

Why is H-bomb being criticized for folding QQ in that situation? Clearly he had no set odds. IMO, excellent lay down.

Either way he looked like a bitch on tv after that hand with Roothlus

On October 08 2008 10:57 PaleMan wrote: what have gold and yang done? made multiple final tables or won 11 bracelets? btw tons of pros playing almost all WSOP events every year and *surprize* still have 1-3 bracelets

read the last line of my previous post.

What gets me about hellmuth haters is that he makes more money then everyone on this site plain and simple. But he doesn't do it because he's godly at poker and he's a huge asshole so therefore people berate him. It's like people are jealous cuz they think if they were in his position maybe they could make tons of cash cuz they know they are a better player then him but they are wrong.

I mean why don't people berate Guy Laliberté for being a huge fish? He's got to be worse then Phil? It is cuz all his money doesn't come from poker? I mean money is money guys and 90% of the people here play to make money. I dunno it's really annoying that people berate any fish at all. I mean it's fun to joke around at Tilly for checking behind with a boat and stuff yeah, but hellmuth berating can get old sometimes... The guy is a TV magnet and all of us WANT to see him get busted and non hardcore fans want to see him win. There are few players who have his type of personality and that's why he makes his money. I mean why in gods name do you think broc lesnar makes more money then fabricio werdum even though werdum is like 100 times the fighter? bleh i'm rambling but seriously people need to chill.

And i'll defend him cuz i'll be honest, if i can be a fish and lose 250k a year in poker but make millions? I'll fucking take that in a hearbeat.