CERN's New Collider

Im sure many of you have already heard about this. This week the worlds biggest collider will be completed and ready for experiments on SEP 10. Even though there wont be any collision on that date there will be a test on accelerating a proton to one millions %% of the speed of light. So basically nuclear physics will enter a new world. IMO this machine WILL put a milestone in the history of mankind. There will come discoveries using this machine that will affect the life of every human beings. This is not a movie or a Sci-Fi story. There will be discoveries of how world has been created.
There will be also a test of creating a micro black hole(Or the creation of micro black holes was the side effect of a test) This has the potential of basically destroying the planet even though the chance is very very small. In theory this shouldn't happen but there is no evidence for these theories. (Im too ignorant to know all the facts about the theories and the experiments so plz correct me if you know more)
Im not a physics guy myself but Im really excited about this. As for the risk. I belong to those group of people that I belive knowing some stuff worth dying for.

whoop-tee-doo.

I know they already had one which had some kind of a ridiculous diameter. Do you know how much bigger this one is supposed to be?

pretty cool imo, but its not going to change TOO much imo. quantum physics has been advancing pretty steadily and cool stuff like this comes out all the time. still cool tho

Should prove interesting ^ ^

all the people super scared of dying due to a huge black hole, honestly it would be like existing one moment and then gone the next...

if i had to choose a way to die, near-instant compression due to a blackhole would be it

On September 08 2008 01:35 PokerDoc88 wrote: all the people super scared of dying due to a huge black hole, honestly it would be like existing one moment and then gone the next... if i had to choose a way to die, near-instant compression due to a blackhole would be it

Sounds fun ^ ^

On September 08 2008 01:35 PokerDoc88 wrote: all the people super scared of dying due to a huge black hole, honestly it would be like existing one moment and then gone the next... if i had to choose a way to die, near-instant compression due to a blackhole would be it

Surely near instant takes on new meanings when you factor in the relativistic effects of a black hole. Near instant for whom?

On September 08 2008 01:56 KwarK wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2008 01:35 PokerDoc88 wrote: all the people super scared of dying due to a huge black hole, honestly it would be like existing one moment and then gone the next... if i had to choose a way to die, near-instant compression due to a blackhole would be it Surely near instant takes on new meanings when you factor in the relativistic effects of a black hole. Near instant for whom?

Everyone knows black holes just take you to Disney Land.

lol theres quite a big uproar about morons who have no idea thinking these scientists could destroy the earth with the micro black holes ROFL.

well baal, there's a fair argument as to how far we really need to take science.

tbh i dont really understand why they want to make a black hole at all
doesnt that shit eat EVERYTHING and then just get more and more powerful wtf?
hell, if they just ran the experiment we may be getting swallowed by the hole pretty soon
internet will probably die first
hmm yes internet

On September 08 2008 03:35 ggplz wrote: tbh i dont really understand why they want to make a black hole at all doesnt that shit eat EVERYTHING and then just get more and more powerful wtf? hell, if they just ran the experiment we may be getting swallowed by the hole pretty soon internet will probably die first hmm yes internet

they are creating a microscopic... no.... at atomic level black hole, it couldnt even suck ur tiny cock so we are safe

lol

haha some quality posts here

I like the idea that if we all get wiped out without even feeling it it is no biggie at all

I actually agree lol

im pretty scared
becuase i remember back in school doing physics and chemistry and stuff
if the teacher ever said "never do this/mix these/turn it up this high..." whatever it was
I would do it to see what happened.

What if theres a guy like me who actually passed his exams and went on to become a scientist?

On September 08 2008 02:45 Baal wrote: lol theres quite a big uproar about morons who have no idea thinking these scientists could destroy the earth with the micro black holes ROFL.

i imagine your advanced studies in quantum physics have led you to such cynicism?

On September 08 2008 04:12 PoorUser wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2008 02:45 Baal wrote: lol theres quite a big uproar about morons who have no idea thinking these scientists could destroy the earth with the micro black holes ROFL. i imagine your advanced studies in quantum physics have led you to such cynicism?

nope, just the testimonies of the scientists conducting this experiment.

On September 08 2008 04:14 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2008 04:12 PoorUser wrote:   On September 08 2008 02:45 Baal wrote: lol theres quite a big uproar about morons who have no idea thinking these scientists could destroy the earth with the micro black holes ROFL. i imagine your advanced studies in quantum physics have led you to such cynicism? nope, just the testimonies of the scientists conducting this experiment.

seems like enough to call everyone opposing it morons -_-...

good we cleared that up

So the Angels & Demons was only making up that this thing was already finished? Anyway sounds cool.

from what I understand, the experiments are carried out in a vacuum, so the miniature blackholes will never gain a critical mass to extend their gravity field to the walls of the containing chamber, UNLESS for some reason there are bits of atoms which somehow manage to sneak their way into the vacuum sealed chamber. If enough of these atoms went into the black hole, then it could potentially get big enough to swallow us all!

pretty fair way for humanity to end imo, we all die for the quest of knowledge of how we came to exist...ironic eh?

so if they make little black holes, can we get to keep em in our wallets 'n shit?

On September 08 2008 01:56 KwarK wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2008 01:35 PokerDoc88 wrote: all the people super scared of dying due to a huge black hole, honestly it would be like existing one moment and then gone the next... if i had to choose a way to die, near-instant compression due to a blackhole would be it Surely near instant takes on new meanings when you factor in the relativistic effects of a black hole. Near instant for whom?

very nice catch. reading about the theoretical experience of falling into a black hole is pretty rowdy - from tidal effects from gravity having a much stronger pull on your feet than on your head to the effect on the light that reaches you (read: what you see looking back out as you fall in).

well the Scientific Policy Committee (SPC) which consists of 20 independent external scientists has connfirmed previous reports that the LHC is safe and there's no basis for any concern. According to Jos Engelen, CERN’s Chief Scientific Officer, " Nature has already conducted the equivalent of about a hundred thousand LHC experimental programmes on Earth – and the planet still exists.”

Dan Brown's fanbase of course has its doubts

but I guess worrying is natural

--- Nuked ---

they pretty much admitted that they have no idea whats gonna happen, just that it "shouldnt" be dangerous to the existence of humankind.
Yea. Shouldn't.
Very reassuring.

Normal cosmic ray collisions routinely occur that are at or higher than energies of anything the LHC can produce. Worrying about the LHC creating a black hole that eats the planet is like the people who worry about incidental radiation from nuclear power plants when the amount and type of radiation they receive is approximately equivalent to the radiation they get from the sun indoors on a winter day.

As far as advancing physics, it really will be a big deal if they can discover the Higgs boson, which is one of the experiments they're planning to make.

On September 07 2008 22:56 FeARFaCT wrote: I know they already had one which had some kind of a ridiculous diameter. Do you know how much bigger this one is supposed to be?

The 2nd biggest collider is in US (NY). This one is about 50-100 times more powerful (Which is insane) and its layed under 2 countries!

On September 08 2008 07:39 SfydjkLm wrote: they pretty much admitted that they have no idea whats gonna happen, just that it "shouldnt" be dangerous to the existence of humankind. Yea. Shouldn't. Very reassuring.

They can't give a definite answer either way because they can't honestly say that they know for sure. But there's no reason to imagine it will.

just came across this
wtf cern rap

cool video, quite impressive for high school students actually. The girl isn't bad a rapping either...

I read a book a few years ago about a collider that generated a miniature black hole that grew exponentially in the middle of the earth over the course of a few years until it destroyed the planet.

That was fiction

The "black holes" created by CERN would be so small and unstable as to flash in and out of existence in the smallest fraction of time.

CERN is important because it is supposed to prove / disprove the existence of the quantum higgs field which is supposed to give mass to all particles.

will pretty much prove / disprove much super-symmetry / string theory

lol that rap is actually a pretty decent synopsis of what this is all about

On September 08 2008 05:41 whamm! wrote: so if they make little black holes, can we get to keep em in our wallets 'n shit?

Think I have one in my wallet already as the money seems to always go somewhere.

im like the only person here that thinks there is just as much reason not to do it as there is to do it?

like why risk it? i dotn give a fuck what gave mass to all the particles..

even if its a 1 in a billion chance.. i still dont c how thats worth risking the entire planet..

there is tons of other cool shit these scientists could go do rather then fucking with my life.. imo not fair to let a group of like 20 or 200 scientists risk my life in any fraction.. i didnt get to vote on this shit.

worlds good the way it is, stop fuckin with it.

LOL silly human, thinks he has a say on his fate 100% of the time

Stupid car drivers, go play ping pong or something rather than risking my life :<

ahahah milkman, that's hilarious post 8D

Would be awesome if they managed to create some awesome disaster out of this, but I'm thinking they'll discover a new particle and whatnot which turns out to be the infinite source of energy and we can stop using oil and nuclear power all together. Or maybe create a sandwich that doesn't fall on it's buttered side.

there is probably more chance research done at CERN eventually leads to discoveries about the universe leading to space travel etc. allowing for the expansion, strengthening and preservation of humanity than its destruction

+ev imo

i heard this is being sponsored by LexCorp

On September 08 2008 15:34 Yugless wrote: i heard this is being sponsored by LexCorp

LOL

so approximately how big is this thing?

its something like 30km diameter
its on the border of two countries what capaneo said was kinda deceptive

This experiment makes me wonder how much doubt/risk would we be willing to accept to go through with this. How certain is the scientific community that there's no imminent threat? 99,9%? Is that enough?

If poker has taught us one thing it's that people overestimate their abilities/knowledge all the time. And that makes me feel a bit uneasy about this.

But just a bit.

On September 08 2008 14:04 milkman wrote: im like the only person here that thinks there is just as much reason not to do it as there is to do it? like why risk it? i dotn give a fuck what gave mass to all the particles.. even if its a 1 in a billion chance.. i still dont c how thats worth risking the entire planet.. there is tons of other cool shit these scientists could go do rather then fucking with my life.. imo not fair to let a group of like 20 or 200 scientists risk my life in any fraction.. i didnt get to vote on this shit. worlds good the way it is, stop fuckin with it.

This kind of expriment its not only to disprove or prove string theory, and its not for the intellectual debate of a bunch of people debating the origin of the universe, quantum physics have several practical applications.

under normal theories, a black hole cannot be created because there is not enough mass involved when the particles collide with each other. But under other theories that involves extra dimensions of space & time that we dont see in our 3 dimensional space, 1 time there is a possibility of formation of a miniature black hole. Theorists who believe this say that the energy density of the collidron will be enough to form this mini hole. If that happens, the hole will eventually grow and after a few decades or what not swallow earth. The time for that to happen varies amongst theorists, going from as short as 5 years to possibly billions of years.

Black hole is not the only catastrophic possibility, there are also other things hehe.

Fear always springs from ignorance.

ignorance is bliss
i knew nothing to little about it and wasnt scared but now im a little scared

its all about point of view

On September 07 2008 22:46 capaneo wrote: Im not a physics guy myself but Im really excited about this. As for the risk. I belong to those group of people that I belive knowing some stuff worth dying for.

As someone who is a "physics guy" I gotta tell you that this thing is really being overhyped.

meh im not too happy about this partly because i dont understand the payoff we're going to get (solid, not possibly) but mostly because scientists dont know what the fuck they're talking about a lot of the time and theres just nothing to disprove what they're saying at the moment

According to my calculations the likelihood of a serious disaster happening is approx. 99.98231%, say goodbye sept. 10

i want a pet black hole

might be too much responsibility tho

Everyone should have one.


Would solve the world's pollution problems.

People will take a chance of getting killed in normal, everyday activities like driving a car, yet they find a threat in a scientfic experiment which MAY create something we are YET TO DISCOVER in space around us (and we've seen quite a bit of it, comparing to the size of our planet), which still won't be of any harm, if predictions of our theories are right. Talk about not being able to estimate some basic percentages.

Also, it would be fucking cool to destroy the earth like this. Oooops!

cool documentary about it
enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHs7hu9hgKc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHs7hu9hgKc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SzEMtiteU0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwCfGAhq5jw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxn2iSVrKF0

On September 08 2008 18:15 FrinkX wrote: i want a pet black hole might be too much responsibility tho

and a total bitch to feed

^ those vids no longer work what were they called?

This is how all the black holes in the universe was made, except for the original one, which an ancient species tried to copy

edit: added links

is the idea why black holes arent a big deal is that a black hole gets bigger as it eats up more mass? and there isnt anything inside the collider cuz its a vacuum.. so if there were a black hole created it wouldnt b a big deal anyway?

Lmao dumb americans ! OH LOL ARMAGEDDON LLOLOLOL THE BIG BLACK HOLE IS GONNA EAT US ALIVE NOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEESSSSS !

will someone answer my quesion? and id just like to personally thank sheitan for all his helpfull input on this thread.

Not really, a black hole doesnt start microscopically to later grow to an infinite size to devour the universe.

In the extremely unlikely case the collision creates a black hole it will be of a subatomic size, not big enough to devour earth, not even close and it will only exist for a ridiculous fraction of time.

So i wonder how did they think up all the sudden that they are going to get micro black holes? I mean do micro black holes exist in space? Or they were like well we have no idea what to say this new equipment will do so lets say something crazy. I mean before reading about this collider id never heard micro black holes mentioned. idk

i never got no fancy physics education or nuthin... but basically the gravitational power of black holes is related to the matter it contains. any black holes produced at cern (not even a certainty) would have been created with the energy of the colliding particles, so no black holes produced in the lhc could pull any matter in and would only exist for a moment anyway

theres a whole bunch of other reasons to stop worrying here: http://public.web.cern.ch/Public/en/LHC/Safety-en.html

ok cool, thanx for that info.. i watched that vid and all but just didnt understand how black holes worked as far as their size and what not..

i dont think this one thing will be able to prove/disprove string theory tho, only most likely enforce it. but hell, wtf do i know

I bet the damn thing won't even start.

On September 09 2008 01:57 n0rthf4ce wrote: i dont think this one thing will be able to prove/disprove string theory tho, only most likely enforce it. but hell, wtf do i know

The main thing about the LHC is trying to find the so-called Higgs Boson (carrier of the Higgs field) which, under the 'Standard model' theory, gives matter it's mass. The Standard Model is not really related to string theory. Disproving or proving string theory probably won't happen from tests at the LHC (string theory is too vague and has a lot of blank spots at this time to actually provide some decent predictions about the universe which could be tested), but it could happen that some form of supersymmetry would appear, which would be an indication that there's more to string theory than just being the theoretical (but highly popular) gimmic it is right now.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the first real collisions later on. Probably nothing special will hapen on the 10th, they're just speeding up particles insanely fast (around 14 TeV).

they are just stirring shit up. The more publicity they will get the more money will get into research. thats what scientists want. its the same for about everything imo. jsut like breast cancer. with so much publicity its been getting all the money while other important diseases get nothing

Damn, it would be so cool to get sucked by a black hole or pwned by a strangelet.
Too bad it's not gonna happen...

alternative title
higgs boson:glory or doubts?

On September 08 2008 23:56 milkman wrote: will someone answer my quesion? and id just like to personally thank sheitan for all his helpfull input on this thread.

Ok ok i might be a little bit bitter on this one but i mean c'mon use your common sense, all they want to do is actually prove the existence of black holes, theorically they should exist and astrophysicians observe in the universe the side effects they generate (you can't see a black hole for obvious reasons, since they actually "absorb" everything including light) but they are yet to actually "create" one and lack evidences of their very much existence.

All comes from the Einstein's theory about the Relativity, he proved on the paper they MUST exist but we're yet to discover how they're created and how they function. And a the only purpose of a collider is to simulate what happens in the universe and measure/observe the results, sometimes the experience lasts for fractions of micro seconds and are obviously not gonna trigger the end of times.

On a side note, one of their first experiment will be to find the "Higgs boson", and it would be a major discovery if they do.

there are millions things more interesting and entertaining than physics. like sex, food, drinking, diving, discos ... sex.., okay, maybe not millions but plenty. i am sure 99.99% of the people in the world don't give a shit about physics and don't want to know 'how the world started'. that's bullshit. i prefer to know how to always give orgasms to my girfriend. so basically those physican scientists are like 3k-4k and i am sure they all are the retards with big glasses that you make fun of when you see them at school/college. they don't enjoy sex, they don't enjoy discos, they are muffs and now they will try to destroy the world because they can't do nothing else. if you think for a second, what do you prefer - live your life and enjoy the SIMPLE THINGS that we know are the truth of real happiness or trying to know 'how the world started' but having the chance of destroying it. imo it's not worth it... too little useless information for big risk. there is always a chance to 'mess up' the things no matter what they say. so what will you do tomorrow if you know 'how the world started'. you will do NOTHING. you would not came feeling pleasure, you will not be rich, you win NOTHING. just a little more knowledge - one answer. so risking the world for an answer is not EV+. it's a joke. so no matter what will happen tomorrow for me and the 99.99% of the world the answer will mean zero.

Lmao this is the dumbest thing i've read for a long time, if we follow what you say we would still be wearing fur and use spears to chase our diner.

i say we are living in a very modern world which has almost everything and we can live happy with what we have NOW. if we don't count the first and the second world war, nothing is threaten to destroy the whole world like that 'experiment'. and even after the world wars,in the worst case scenario there would still exist human life. now we are talking about not only destroying an continent or the planet, but the whole universe, the whole world. risk is NOT justifiable even if the chance of 'fail' was 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% and i'm sure it's much higher.

On September 09 2008 08:07 Sheitan wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2008 23:56 milkman wrote: will someone answer my quesion? and id just like to personally thank sheitan for all his helpfull input on this thread. Uou can't see a black hole for obvious reasons, since they actually "absorb" everything including light

Hawking stated in brief history of time, that if quantum physics is corrent, black holes should shine (emit energy), and probably even more than stars. This would be created by spontanoeus creation of photon-anti photon pairs that would normally anihilate moments after, however if the anti-photon pases the events horizon while photon stays on 'our' side of the universe, it should look as energy emiter from outside. Also, the effect would be quite significant, and by absorbing anti-anything, black hole would lower it's mass, possibly even disappearing after some time.

omg TSLto

wow what? now say you all don't fear aliens too?

On September 09 2008 10:19 GsOne wrote: Show nested quote + On September 09 2008 08:07 Sheitan wrote:   On September 08 2008 23:56 milkman wrote: will someone answer my quesion? and id just like to personally thank sheitan for all his helpfull input on this thread. Uou can't see a black hole for obvious reasons, since they actually "absorb" everything including light Hawking stated in brief history of time, that if quantum physics is corrent, black holes should shine (emit energy), and probably even more than stars. This would be created by spontanoeus creation of photon-anti photon pairs that would normally anihilate moments after, however if the anti-photon pases the events horizon while photon stays on 'our' side of the universe, it should look as energy emiter from outside. Also, the effect would be quite significant, and by absorbing anti-anything, black hole would lower it's mass, possibly even disappearing after some time.

I have a solid physics background but not to that point im afraid, i read some interesting articles about "White Fountains" and the theory about "time travelling" but i think im 10 years of school short to debate about this... This stuff is VERY interesting and i wonder what thoses scientists will find during the experiments they gonna run, this is exciting.

I really doubt that Swiss the most neutral harmless country would agree to this if there was any real chance of some bigass mistake that d destroy the planet or something like that.TSLto lal "destroy the universe" what ? :D You know there is a countless numers black holes in the universe right? & lol of fearing aliens.Most people are just too ignorant and think we r alone in the whole fuckin world ... are u fuckin serious woot ? People are mostly scared coz of the movies with lil green people which is just ridiculous srsly...If someone wanted to invade us we d be gone long time ago imo Anyway getting back to the main theme there is great hope about learning new epic stuff from this project if it does run properly i hope they find out something that was worth the risk .... otherwise it was a pleasure posting in this forum see u in the black hole :D

whatever

http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/



Definitely not a rickroll btw.

On September 09 2008 09:41 TSLto wrote: i say we are living in a very modern world which has almost everything and we can live happy with what we have NOW. if we don't count the first and the second world war, nothing is threaten to destroy the whole world like that 'experiment'. and even after the world wars,in the worst case scenario there would still exist human life. now we are talking about not only destroying an continent or the planet, but the whole universe, the whole world. risk is NOT justifiable even if the chance of 'fail' was 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% and i'm sure it's much higher.

I think ignoring third world countries completely is the way to go here, it works on jehovas witnesses when they come ring my doorbell, amirite guise?

On September 09 2008 13:05 Sjorris wrote: http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/ Definitely not a rickroll btw.

LLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLL

would you really believe the 6000 scientists involved in this to be moronic madmen?

creating a black hole and what that could possibly lead to, people who start these doomsday prophecies really have no clue. the amount of energy created in these collisions is gonna be huge, but not close to the amounts created all the time in the atmosphere.

people of course will always catch on to these theories due to man's general fear of not being in control. that's scary I admit.
like, come on, some guys preach about Jesus and 2000 years later we still go up early each sunday to sing in his glory! that's fear=]

Some people in 3rd world countries get on a boat and try to escape from their governments to the free world. Or just because of a better "free" life on the other side (EX: the whole Berlin wall deal during cold war). Lots and lots of people died and are dying trying to live a better life. Many people get executed on daily basis trying to gain freedom for their kids/country men.
IMO this is the same thing. Finding the truth worth dying for sometimes. There is risk with EVERY experiment done. Its always been like that and it will be. The bigger the goal the bigger the risk.


Using this machine we can prove facts that will change the life/view of many.

Does finding the truth about some scientific theory talking about the very basics of our existence worth putting the whole planet and all the lives at risk?
Absolutely yes! But thats just my opinion.

Putting the whole world at risk should probably not be decided by the scientists aloone tho =O (majority vote would probably not agree with capaneo)

However, is this such a risk? =/

I saw Sheitan mention Einstein above, theory of relativity is pretty wicked hard to grasp (I don't come close).
I work at a company doing computer systems etc for satellites, it's kind of cool that the satellites have to be compensated for time going slower in the satellites (as observed from earth - theory of relativity) than on earth itself. Otherwise they would navigate way off =o

from what ive seen and read this isnt really a risk at all. They are sure they cant create a black hole.. if thye do by accident, which is the .0000000000000000000000001% chance.. then the thing will disappear rly fast.. not swallow the earth.

On September 09 2008 10:38 tapatapaz wrote: omg TSLto

On September 09 2008 13:37 capaneo wrote: Some people in 3rd world countries get on a boat and try to escape from their governments to the free world. Or just because of a better "free" life on the other side (EX: the whole Berlin wall deal during cold war). Lots and lots of people died and are dying trying to live a better life. Many people get executed on daily basis trying to gain freedom for their kids/country men. IMO this is the same thing. Finding the truth worth dying for sometimes. There is risk with EVERY experiment done. Its always been like that and it will be. The bigger the goal the bigger the risk. Using this machine we can prove facts that will change the life/view of many. Does finding the truth about some scientific theory talking about the very basics of our existence worth putting the whole planet and all the lives at risk? Absolutely yes! But thats just my opinion.

You mean religion ? It won't change anything, even if we prove by 2+2 god doesn't exist, these nutcases will keep killing the crap of each others in the name of "God"

On September 09 2008 13:55 milkman wrote: from what ive seen and read this isnt really a risk at all. They are sure they cant create a black hole.. if thye do by accident, which is the .0000000000000000000000001% chance.. then the thing will disappear rly fast.. not swallow the earth.

AT LAST!

On September 09 2008 13:44 Daaman wrote: Putting the whole world at risk should probably not be decided by the scientists aloone tho =O (majority vote would probably not agree with capaneo)

Yeah, let million(s? billion?) people without a clue decide, don't listen to few thousand guys who dedicated their lives for studying this problem. Democracy at it's best.

While Oppenheimer and co were developing the Manhatten project there was some concern that the detonation of an atomic bomb would ignite the hydrogen in the atmosphere and turn Earth into a fireball, annihiliating every living organism in seconds. They did it anyway.

Moral of the story: Scientists are reckless motherfuckers. Cross your fingers, kiddies.

oh

i say we are living in a very modern world which has almost everything and we can live happy with what we have NOW. if we don't count the first and the second world war, nothing is threaten to destroy the whole world like that 'experiment'. and even after the world wars,in the worst case scenario there would still exist human life. now we are talking about not only destroying an continent or the planet, but the whole universe, the whole world. risk is NOT justifiable even if the chance of 'fail' was 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% and i'm sure it's much higher.

you're obviously wrong about this.

edit: just read his first post, suppose there's no need to respond to him anymore.

How does the 'some concern' in your example not equate to anything but the uneducated 'some concern' in this one or am I being levelled?

And they wanted to kill a fuckload of civilians anyway, surely even more is a bonus.

LHC First Beam - 10th September 2008 - 9am CEST (GMT+2)

http://webcast.cern.ch/index.html

On September 09 2008 16:55 GsOne wrote: Show nested quote + On September 09 2008 13:44 Daaman wrote: Putting the whole world at risk should probably not be decided by the scientists aloone tho =O (majority vote would probably not agree with capaneo) Yeah, let million(s? billion?) people without a clue decide, don't listen to few thousand guys who dedicated their lives for studying this problem. Democracy at it's best.

*if there was a more obvious risk I meant

2.5 hours to go :O

/cracks a beer

It's been a good run fella's

/sarcasm... or is it!?!?!

webcast is down.. fuck not a good start.

should prolly go play some 25/50 now while i still can...

half a 1/5th down of bacardi superior. ez life.

if honestly there was anyway to die... this would be the best. no loved one missing another. just all gone.

Ya... I'm starting to plunge into this ~1/2 remaining 1.75 pretty good


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:[ cant even watch the world end... ill drink to that

9am at gmt+2 already happened... i think its goin down at 24:00 LP time.

On September 08 2008 04:12 byrnesam wrote: im pretty scared becuase i remember back in school doing physics and chemistry and stuff if the teacher ever said "never do this/mix these/turn it up this high..." whatever it was I would do it to see what happened. What if theres a guy like me who actually passed his exams and went on to become a scientist?

nailed all my greatest fears

They're just starting the beam today no pew pewing of any particles for another month though.

ITS THE BEGINNING OF THE END THOUGH >_<

i cant even figure out what time there doing w/e there doing.. w/e im done railing this giant hula-hoop

T-Minus 30 Minutes

i thought they were doing it at 9, how can it b 9 anywhere if its12:00 here, are there half hour time zones?

On September 09 2008 23:48 milkman wrote: 9am at gmt+2 already happened... i think its goin down at 24:00 LP time.

wtf

30 mins from now

WTF did it already bend time zones? how the hell does that work?

holy shit a baby black hole just ate a scientist

On September 10 2008 00:29 milkman wrote: WTF did it already bend time zones? how the hell does that work?

hahaha

ive been checking updates and it says there is an electrical issue

hey where can i find updates. my friend scared me. someone from geneva post so we know a black hole didnt get u plz

k they dont care about the electrical issue there still gonna try and start it up

http://aftonbladet.se/

go there
then click the big link on the main page.
^_^ they just shot the beam but they have blocked up at a few points and are just removing the blocks.

http://twitter.com/HadronWatch

can you guys explain to me whats going on and if i have anything to worry about?

some ppl r starting up a giant machine, testing it.. not going to collide anything which is what your worried about for no reason.

in more important news,my spacebaris fucking up

On September 10 2008 00:47 fakeshaver wrote: can you guys explain to me whats going on and if i have anything to worry about?

You don't have anything to worry about Today all they're doing is testing the machine. They won't be shooting particles until like Oct 10th I think.

Although it has gotten a 'Y2K' twist to it because a few radicals 'scientists' claim it'll create a blackhole. But if this is true the blackhole would be so small + would dissapate.

potentially 2+ hours wait wtf

okay fuck that id rather die to a black hole

2+ hour wait for what?

i dont understand what these beams are or what they are testing

and what results do we want to hear

fakeshaver have you read this entire thread? if not I would re-read. it'll explain a lot of what they're doing.

kk read. So what potential benefits could we receive from this research?

actually it's kinda funny but the CERNA rap explains it all very well


Sorry i'm just too lazy to type it all xD
Lots of benefits to this research.

I dont know why you guys say if they created a black hole it would be so small it would dissapear again, since the nature of a black hole is that it sucks up matter and grows. A very small black hole could grow very big in a matter of milliseconds, just like a nuke, the black hole sucks up one atom, get more mass and can suck even more matter up even faster

On September 10 2008 02:00 Zorglub wrote: I dont know why you guys say if they created a black hole it would be so small it would dissapear again, since the nature of a black hole is that it sucks up matter and grows. A very small black hole could grow very big in a matter of milliseconds, just like a nuke, the black hole sucks up one atom, get more mass and can suck even more matter up even faster

Firstly it'd be created in a vacuum. Secondly, Hawking radiation. It needs to gain a critical mass to suck in enough to counteract the energy lost, it won't and therefore it'll burn out.

On September 09 2008 08:55 TSLto wrote: there are millions things more interesting and entertaining than physics. like sex, food, drinking, diving, discos ... sex.., okay, maybe not millions but plenty. i am sure 99.99% of the people in the world don't give a shit about physics and don't want to know 'how the world started'. that's bullshit. i prefer to know how to always give orgasms to my girfriend. so basically those physican scientists are like 3k-4k and i am sure they all are the retards with big glasses that you make fun of when you see them at school/college. they don't enjoy sex, they don't enjoy discos, they are muffs and now they will try to destroy the world because they can't do nothing else. if you think for a second, what do you prefer - live your life and enjoy the SIMPLE THINGS that we know are the truth of real happiness or trying to know 'how the world started' but having the chance of destroying it. imo it's not worth it... too little useless information for big risk. there is always a chance to 'mess up' the things no matter what they say. so what will you do tomorrow if you know 'how the world started'. you will do NOTHING. you would not came feeling pleasure, you will not be rich, you win NOTHING. just a little more knowledge - one answer. so risking the world for an answer is not EV+. it's a joke. so no matter what will happen tomorrow for me and the 99.99% of the world the answer will mean zero.

Don't make me ashamed that im half bulgarian plz.

Edit: Btw, it seems almost everyone in Bulgaria believes this...
I didnt go to physics college several years ago, because every goddamn moron was "wtf, physics sucks, you gotta be kidding me", including my parents... ffs

On September 09 2008 13:55 milkman wrote: from what ive seen and read this isnt really a risk at all. They are sure they cant create a black hole.. if thye do by accident, which is the .0000000000000000000000001% chance.. then the thing will disappear rly fast.. not swallow the earth.

Chance of creating black holes is existing. Chance of them being harmful is not.

the odds of them being created are neglectable, we dont worry about 0.00000000001% probabilities or we wouldnt be able to move in fear of dying every second from a lightning.

fuck dont even remind me about the lightning.

the new ROFL thread
thanks guys

but wow no evolution talk?


obv the end of the world is happening, and Sooty knows it and is getting a 1 up on all of us

On September 10 2008 16:31 milkman wrote: fuck dont even remind me about the lightning.

for some reasons i busted out laughing
#1

i finally found a webcam link that actually works:

http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html

check it out for sure, they're doing a new test in a few mins

rofl

On September 11 2008 08:17 qu4nTum-fLuX wrote: i finally found a webcam link that actually works: http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html check it out for sure, they're doing a new test in a few mins

nice live feed... but this is so fkn boring. i've been watching it for over an hour now and still nothing. hope it starts soon.

On September 11 2008 08:17 qu4nTum-fLuX wrote: i finally found a webcam link that actually works: http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html check it out for sure, they're doing a new test in a few mins

heh

pretty sick fast

On September 11 2008 11:06 Question wrote:

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On September 10 2008 02:16 KwarK wrote: Show nested quote + On September 10 2008 02:00 Zorglub wrote: I dont know why you guys say if they created a black hole it would be so small it would dissapear again, since the nature of a black hole is that it sucks up matter and grows. A very small black hole could grow very big in a matter of milliseconds, just like a nuke, the black hole sucks up one atom, get more mass and can suck even more matter up even faster Firstly it'd be created in a vacuum. Secondly, Hawking radiation. It needs to gain a critical mass to suck in enough to counteract the energy lost, it won't and therefore it'll burn out.

The vacuum might slow it down but there would still be matter for the hole to absorb since there is no such thing as a perfect vacuum, and do we know exactly how big a black hole has to be to have that critical mass?

So did they do anything yet or is it still "preparation"?