CERN's New Collider - Page 4

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is the idea why black holes arent a big deal is that a black hole gets bigger as it eats up more mass? and there isnt anything inside the collider cuz its a vacuum.. so if there were a black hole created it wouldnt b a big deal anyway?

Lmao dumb americans ! OH LOL ARMAGEDDON LLOLOLOL THE BIG BLACK HOLE IS GONNA EAT US ALIVE NOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEESSSSS !

will someone answer my quesion? and id just like to personally thank sheitan for all his helpfull input on this thread.

Not really, a black hole doesnt start microscopically to later grow to an infinite size to devour the universe.

In the extremely unlikely case the collision creates a black hole it will be of a subatomic size, not big enough to devour earth, not even close and it will only exist for a ridiculous fraction of time.

So i wonder how did they think up all the sudden that they are going to get micro black holes? I mean do micro black holes exist in space? Or they were like well we have no idea what to say this new equipment will do so lets say something crazy. I mean before reading about this collider id never heard micro black holes mentioned. idk

i never got no fancy physics education or nuthin... but basically the gravitational power of black holes is related to the matter it contains. any black holes produced at cern (not even a certainty) would have been created with the energy of the colliding particles, so no black holes produced in the lhc could pull any matter in and would only exist for a moment anyway

theres a whole bunch of other reasons to stop worrying here: http://public.web.cern.ch/Public/en/LHC/Safety-en.html

ok cool, thanx for that info.. i watched that vid and all but just didnt understand how black holes worked as far as their size and what not..

i dont think this one thing will be able to prove/disprove string theory tho, only most likely enforce it. but hell, wtf do i know

I bet the damn thing won't even start.

On September 09 2008 01:57 n0rthf4ce wrote: i dont think this one thing will be able to prove/disprove string theory tho, only most likely enforce it. but hell, wtf do i know

The main thing about the LHC is trying to find the so-called Higgs Boson (carrier of the Higgs field) which, under the 'Standard model' theory, gives matter it's mass. The Standard Model is not really related to string theory. Disproving or proving string theory probably won't happen from tests at the LHC (string theory is too vague and has a lot of blank spots at this time to actually provide some decent predictions about the universe which could be tested), but it could happen that some form of supersymmetry would appear, which would be an indication that there's more to string theory than just being the theoretical (but highly popular) gimmic it is right now.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the first real collisions later on. Probably nothing special will hapen on the 10th, they're just speeding up particles insanely fast (around 14 TeV).

they are just stirring shit up. The more publicity they will get the more money will get into research. thats what scientists want. its the same for about everything imo. jsut like breast cancer. with so much publicity its been getting all the money while other important diseases get nothing

Damn, it would be so cool to get sucked by a black hole or pwned by a strangelet.
Too bad it's not gonna happen...

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higgs boson:glory or doubts?

On September 08 2008 23:56 milkman wrote: will someone answer my quesion? and id just like to personally thank sheitan for all his helpfull input on this thread.

Ok ok i might be a little bit bitter on this one but i mean c'mon use your common sense, all they want to do is actually prove the existence of black holes, theorically they should exist and astrophysicians observe in the universe the side effects they generate (you can't see a black hole for obvious reasons, since they actually "absorb" everything including light) but they are yet to actually "create" one and lack evidences of their very much existence.

All comes from the Einstein's theory about the Relativity, he proved on the paper they MUST exist but we're yet to discover how they're created and how they function. And a the only purpose of a collider is to simulate what happens in the universe and measure/observe the results, sometimes the experience lasts for fractions of micro seconds and are obviously not gonna trigger the end of times.

On a side note, one of their first experiment will be to find the "Higgs boson", and it would be a major discovery if they do.

there are millions things more interesting and entertaining than physics. like sex, food, drinking, diving, discos ... sex.., okay, maybe not millions but plenty. i am sure 99.99% of the people in the world don't give a shit about physics and don't want to know 'how the world started'. that's bullshit. i prefer to know how to always give orgasms to my girfriend. so basically those physican scientists are like 3k-4k and i am sure they all are the retards with big glasses that you make fun of when you see them at school/college. they don't enjoy sex, they don't enjoy discos, they are muffs and now they will try to destroy the world because they can't do nothing else. if you think for a second, what do you prefer - live your life and enjoy the SIMPLE THINGS that we know are the truth of real happiness or trying to know 'how the world started' but having the chance of destroying it. imo it's not worth it... too little useless information for big risk. there is always a chance to 'mess up' the things no matter what they say. so what will you do tomorrow if you know 'how the world started'. you will do NOTHING. you would not came feeling pleasure, you will not be rich, you win NOTHING. just a little more knowledge - one answer. so risking the world for an answer is not EV+. it's a joke. so no matter what will happen tomorrow for me and the 99.99% of the world the answer will mean zero.

Lmao this is the dumbest thing i've read for a long time, if we follow what you say we would still be wearing fur and use spears to chase our diner.

i say we are living in a very modern world which has almost everything and we can live happy with what we have NOW. if we don't count the first and the second world war, nothing is threaten to destroy the whole world like that 'experiment'. and even after the world wars,in the worst case scenario there would still exist human life. now we are talking about not only destroying an continent or the planet, but the whole universe, the whole world. risk is NOT justifiable even if the chance of 'fail' was 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% and i'm sure it's much higher.

On September 09 2008 08:07 Sheitan wrote: Show nested quote + On September 08 2008 23:56 milkman wrote: will someone answer my quesion? and id just like to personally thank sheitan for all his helpfull input on this thread. Uou can't see a black hole for obvious reasons, since they actually "absorb" everything including light

Hawking stated in brief history of time, that if quantum physics is corrent, black holes should shine (emit energy), and probably even more than stars. This would be created by spontanoeus creation of photon-anti photon pairs that would normally anihilate moments after, however if the anti-photon pases the events horizon while photon stays on 'our' side of the universe, it should look as energy emiter from outside. Also, the effect would be quite significant, and by absorbing anti-anything, black hole would lower it's mass, possibly even disappearing after some time.