Aba found multiaccounting - his statement - Page 2

[B]On August 27 2008 11:21 shaneomac wrote:[/B that said, i still respect him for coming forward and giving a solid apology. gl to him!

pretty much everyone knew his second account on FTP, doesn't really take all that much to 'come forward' and admit to something people know you've done.

On August 27 2008 11:01 Ket wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2008 10:42 tloapc wrote: I see nothing wrong with having a different acct or name u play under as long as he didn't collude/cheat/abuse/etc so insta forgive you are crazy and clueless if you see nothing wrong. a lot of people will have lost a lot of money to him that they would not have lost had they known it was Brian Townsend on those accounts, either through playing vs him differently bearing past history in mind or not playing him at all. it's definitely wrong, it's a question of how wrong and how punishable

ok, better said would be..
I think everyone should be able to change the handle that shows on their account

*edit*
this isn't just a dumb retort, I think it's worth saying as this plan of action would solve the problem and bitching as everyone would have to adapt and adjust

lol i'm like really out of the loop or clueless, aba20 is brian townsend? what about sbrugby

>.<

On August 27 2008 11:44 rockman255 wrote: lol i'm like really out of the loop or clueless, aba20 is brian townsend? what about sbrugby >.<

They are all the same. He used the nick Sbrugby on FTP before he became a red pro, and aba20 on stars for example.

On August 27 2008 11:01 Ket wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2008 10:42 tloapc wrote: I see nothing wrong with having a different acct or name u play under as long as he didn't collude/cheat/abuse/etc so insta forgive you are crazy and clueless if you see nothing wrong. a lot of people will have lost a lot of money to him that they would not have lost had they known it was Brian Townsend on those accounts, either through playing vs him differently bearing past history in mind or not playing him at all. it's definitely wrong, it's a question of how wrong and how punishable

I think theres room for debate on whether its wrong at all, in that we can't assume that we as online poker players should inherently have the right to know who we're playing. Most of the fish that play against us don't know anything about us. In fact if everyone knew how good everyone else was before the game started then not alot of poker would take place.

ya I didn't want to get into that debate to be honest so just tried to solve the problem ^^

the part where this all gets out of hand, is when low stakes people like me, and 99% of the other people on the forums, start judging people like him, for their actions, when they have no clue what its like at the higher stakes, and what different "shady" things do to the game or how common they are..

thats how a buncha brainless wanna b poker players jump on the "cheater" bandwagon and go fuckin nuts destroying someones rep

his apology was good, and hes a good guy, but as far as what should be done, if anything.. i duno/care!

On August 27 2008 11:55 tloapc wrote: ya I didn't want to get into that debate to be honest so just tried to solve the problem ^^

i made this thread because the only worth it has is discussing that debate

didnt think it was that big of a deal to multi account, felt like smurfing like on broodwar to me

fuck his 'HONESTY', obv he only 'admitted' it because it was already known by some
fuck respecting his apology, so what we should respect someone's ego problem with not being able to play lower than the highest stakes running?
what a pathetic piece of shit

at least for me, it's not what you do but WHY and/or HOW you do it.. everything is relative

This is irrelevant to me until it affects me. Then i´ll be outraged.

On August 27 2008 12:31 True wrote: This is irrelevant to me until it affects me. Then i´ll be outraged.

It has affected me a ton and i'm not too upset. It took me about 20 minutes to realize makersmark66 was a smart thinking player, definitely a pro (thought he was from a euro site) and adjust accordingly. I also realized very quickly that he was good at readjusting to my adjustments, and we played each other probably very similar to how we would if he were on his aba20 account. With that said Brian and I didn't really have TOO much history prior to this.

Guy Laliberte the owner of Cirque du Soleil, billionaire and recreational poker player has several accounts he plays on ftp nosebleed stakes with though there's a commonly accepted double standard that it's perfectly fine for the 'fish' to have several accounts.

if anything, this is what tilts me the most about this issue. how hypocritical can an entire society be? both of them multiaccount with the same motives. how is it possible that for over a year now, anyone following high stakes poker in the least bit knows about every one of Guy's accounts, yet nothing is said. while on the other hand, someone mentions that brian might be multi accounting in chat and the entire community breaks out in uproar and calls him a cheater. do you think its ok for people to collude as long as they are terrible at it? can they multi account tournaments if they have horrible rois?

i obviously realize why guy has been able to actively do this, but it just irritates me when someone can so quickly jump out and call Brain a cheater when they obviously don't understand how hypocritical they sound. .

lol maybe give money back to people who lost it to his 2nd account and not some silly 25k to charity --; i hate cheating in any form, black is black, dont bring this grey stuff shit

On August 27 2008 12:14 Fayth wrote: didnt think it was that big of a deal to multi account, felt like smurfing like on broodwar to me

money wasnt involved in sc -- and if it was it was always clearly stated in rules if you can smurf or not

On August 27 2008 12:56 Bigbobm wrote: Show nested quote + Guy Laliberte the owner of Cirque du Soleil, billionaire and recreational poker player has several accounts he plays on ftp nosebleed stakes with though there's a commonly accepted double standard that it's perfectly fine for the 'fish' to have several accounts. if anything, this is what tilts me the most about this issue. how hypocritical can an entire society be? both of them multiaccount with the same motives. how is it possible that for over a year now, anyone following high stakes poker in the least bit knows about every one of Guy's accounts, yet nothing is said. while on the other hand, someone mentions that brian might be multi accounting in chat and the entire community breaks out in uproar and calls him a cheater. do you think its ok for people to collude as long as they are terrible at it? can they multi account tournaments if they have horrible rois? i obviously realize why guy has been able to actively do this, but it just irritates me when someone can so quickly jump out and call Brain a cheater when they obviously don't understand how hypocritical they sound. .

this

This posting really jogs my brain into a few odd thoughts. After first thinking I don't really care about the situation because it's somewhat unenforceable. Those that want to play multiple accounts will always find a way to do so and it will be extremely difficult to catch them if they are tactful about it.

Secondly I come to the thought that in live poker you will rarely remember most of the people you play with. You will only get to know the few regulars you play with the most often. With them you will play differently and get inside each others heads. You will not be able to have a database of thousands of hands giving you extremely useful information with which the game becomes a little bit more predictable or at the very least plays out in a more rigid pattern. You can't sit down at a live table and look at the other 9 around you and know exactly how often they open and what not.

Now I take that thought and think that perhaps the significant reduction in the amount of information about the game/players probably has a big effect on the way the game plays out. I'm not sure whether the reduction in information would make the games easier or harder but I am fairly certain there would be some change.

So what if Pokerstars had their system set up so that every time you log on you do this;
1. Log onto main account
2. Choose a handle/nickname for the session
3. Sit down and play

Instantly all information about you is removed. People will eventually get stats as they stay on the table with you for 100 hands or so but the large databases and knowing who the regulars are completely disappears.

So what do you guys think would happen then?

that is irrelevant to the discussion, but personally i think its silly and takes away multiple degrees of depth from the game, and this is where most great players excel.

i still think you are overlooking the advantage that the player receives for being anonymous, while retaining all of his reads on his opponents.

also the fact that its unenforceable should not be reason to allow it.

On August 27 2008 11:33 TwistedEcho wrote: Show nested quote + [B]On August 27 2008 11:21 shaneomac wrote:[/B that said, i still respect him for coming forward and giving a solid apology. gl to him! pretty much everyone knew his second account on FTP, doesn't really take all that much to 'come forward' and admit to something people know you've done.

i had posted that before page refreshed. i wasnt aware his alias was so well known.

and fwiw, after like a week everyone would be using the Bigbobm11 as their name because hes terrifying to play aganist