5/10nl AJs 200bb deep

utg is a fish, i want him in the pot; that's why I cc pre.

villain is a russian tag.. they're generally pretty aggro. River seems like a good card unless he has A2hh. I beat bluffs and could be chopping obv; dunno if he value shoves worse on the riv. Comments on all streets appreciated.

Submitted by : taqtiX

***** Hand History for Game 7311741138 *****
$1,000 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, August 19, 20:00:58 ET 2008
Table Table 165896 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: taqtiX ( $2,726 USD )
Seat 6: puhov25 ( $1,934.43 USD )
Seat 4: I8U4DinR_Mmm ( $4,257.36 USD )
Seat 2: IamInLove777 ( $1,171.50 USD )
Seat 5: Girardin555 ( $133.50 USD )
Seat 1: TangentPoker ( $660.50 USD )
Girardin555 posts small blind [$5 USD].
puhov25 posts big blind [$10 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to taqtiX
TangentPoker calls [$10 USD]
IamInLove777 raises [$40 USD]
taqtiX calls [$40 USD]
I8U4DinR_Mmm folds .
Girardin555 folds .
puhov25 calls [$30 USD]
TangentPoker calls [$30 USD]

Flop (Pot : $165.00)

   
puhov25 bets [$144 USD]
TangentPoker folds .
IamInLove777 calls [$144 USD]
taqtiX calls [$144 USD]

Turn (Pot : $597.00)

   
puhov25 bets [$444 USD]
IamInLove777 folds .
taqtiX calls [$444 USD]

River (Pot : $1,485.00)

   
puhov25 is all-In.
taqtiX : ?

Almost feels like you only beat a bluff, even if your hand is really strong. I dont think A2-A3 is that big part of his range. More so pairs 33 JJ AA.

I mean I think I would ask me the question, is he bluffing here? And can he bet valuebetting AK like this? If not I dont know if I could call... Seems nitty idk.

Also, he is probably not on a bluff, since he is betting turn really strong into 2 people. His hand looks really strong.

agree with zanjong

but i don't think AA is ever in his range, as he should always be 3betting that pre

45 is also a big part of his range imo

River is just such a bad card to triple barrel on... this is weird. I'd prolly toss it.

call

equity with a split is pretty significant, and when he's calling for a 4way pot he could have a ton of suited hands that he might 3barrel with.

if unno caint fold hand 2 skrong take ur beat and like it

wow this is really a mindfuck spot. Im mostly concerned with villians flop leading range here. If he is prone to stab alot in weird spots like this I guess its a call but who really does that? If we pretend villian leads flop with a wide range I dont think its too far fetched to say that he could continue with alot of hands with standard partytussian agression when he gets flatted in two places on this flop.

Your hand is definitely underrepped and I dont know how he views you but when you call the turn I think you look alot like Ahxh and in that sense you are still just holding a bluff catcher if he isnt nutty enough to push you off a chop with a bare ace that is somehow in his range at this point. If villian is holding something like Ahxh I dont see him ever shoving this river cause that would be insane and is he really betting the turn with those?

All in all, villians range seems to contain very few monsters(33/22?) but also very few bluffs. I think I call here out of pure curiosity and take my cooler cause I would never be able to stop thinking about this hand if I folded and it would lifetilt me beyond belief. + the guy is a russian tag and they tend to do some really weird shit sometimes. Close though.


God Im so curious, please tell me you didnt fold

This is a spot where the range of hands that have you beat are not very likely: AA (he just called pre-flop, just 1 combination in the deck), JJ, 22 (just 1 combination each), 33, 4h5h.

But the thing you should be focused on is not the likelihood of the hands that beat you, but the hands that you have beat. And to be honest realistically I don't see any apart from maybe Ahxh, but really how many people value shove it on the river this deep trying to get value exactly from Jx? McNasty mentions 'a ton of suited hands that he might 3barrel with'. Really? You really expect him to be donk leading a near psb on the flop w/ a hand like KhQh, QhTh, 9h8h 4way? And then another bet on the turn 3way? You really expect to see that?

Based on the action your hand is a bluff catcher. And he doesn't have any bluffs in his range.

Pitch it!

33,22 and 45h are only 5 combinations, but there is little else he can have, so fold is good i think.

perfect spot to turn Axhh into a bluff.....

who does that ever

tomson main question u gotta ask here is what is an aggro russian doing here with AJ? Imo he's 3 barreling for value almost 100%. So if you pokerstove the range 45s, 33, AJ you're already at nearly 25% equity. I agree he mostly won't be 3 barreling hearts, but he only has to be doing it a small percentage of the time to push ur equity up enough points that u should call.

Why wouldn't he 3barrel Ax of hearts for value or 3barrel heart draws? Your hand looks a ton a worse than that as he would for sure expect you to raise with 22-33 before then. And when the 2 pairs it makes so few hands that we lose to and we do have to consider that he is from russia so likely a person that bluffs a lot more than normal. EZ call.

i fold.

NMcNasty,

Good point with the AJ. But, for some reason, you removed 22 from your pokerstove range. I would also not rule out he possibility of AA,JJ but make them a bit less likely.

Vs. 22,33,45s,AJ you have 22%. You need 32%. I can see your point but I doubt we see a flush draw here almost ever.

On August 20 2008 14:21 NoTalentTom wrote: Why wouldn't he 3barrel Ax of hearts for value or 3barrel heart draws?

If you have an Ace high flush draw on the flop the standard (most common) line is to check raise, not donk bet 90% of the pot size in a 4way pot. Weaker flush draws won't even consider donk leading this strong I think.

i shove the turn instead of playing like a retard trappily then wanting to fold on the perfect river card

L O L

Actually if you want to fold on the perfect river card the correct play on the turn would be to fold. :D

On August 20 2008 14:56 Rekrul wrote: i shove the turn instead of playing like a retard trappily then wanting to fold on the perfect river card L O L

OMG 200 BBS DEEP HOW CAN WE SHOVE THE TURN? HES ONLY CALLING WITH SETS

FUCK POKER IS HARD

lol

i was also wondering why nobody had brought up shoving the turn, which seems best by a bunch

hm I'm just wandering,isn't 23s a possible hand too? I didn't see it in everyone's ranges

On August 20 2008 14:52 tomson wrote: NMcNasty, Good point with the AJ. But, for some reason, you removed 22 from your pokerstove range. I would also not rule out he possibility of AA,JJ but make them a bit less likely. Vs. 22,33,45s,AJ you have 22%. You need 32%. I can see your point but I doubt we see a flush draw here almost ever. Show nested quote + On August 20 2008 14:21 NoTalentTom wrote: Why wouldn't he 3barrel Ax of hearts for value or 3barrel heart draws? If you have an Ace high flush draw on the flop the standard (most common) line is to check raise, not donk bet 90% of the pot size in a 4way pot. Weaker flush draws won't even consider donk leading this strong I think.

lol if he is that nitty just fold the flop. come on dude though he's russian

On August 20 2008 14:56 Rekrul wrote: i shove the turn instead of playing like a retard trappily then wanting to fold on the perfect river card L O L

if u shove turn u only get called by 45 and nothing worse. altho it would be a good spot to turn your hand into a bluff because AJ and some sets might fold.

results; i called and villain tabled 33. Tks for the responses, much obliged.

On August 21 2008 05:47 n0rthf4ce wrote: Show nested quote + On August 20 2008 14:56 Rekrul wrote: i shove the turn instead of playing like a retard trappily then wanting to fold on the perfect river card L O L if u shove turn u only get called by 45 and nothing worse. altho it would be a good spot to turn your hand into a bluff because AJ and some sets might fold.

true, why didn't i think of this

you live and you learn

lollllllllll

shoving turn for value? 4 way? el oh el